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League of Legends |OT7| She Ezreal To Me, Dammit!
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Ghost is Bad
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The Vel'koz changes won't really do too much. Until they buff his other ratios so that he can actually scale throughout the game, he'll remain this incredibly squishy glass cannon that needs to land literally everything so that he can actually hurt people.
PhillipCostigan
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nah, at 220 AP at level 6 it evens out.
330 at level 16.
It makes early game Vel'Koz worse but late game Vel'Koz better.
Stone Ocean
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Dreams-Visions
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Fuckin ridiculous.
Embrace your CDR boots + Essence Reaver buying chocolate overlord. Cooldown reducing our way to infinite dashing.
We Maaaahvel now.
i might be doing the math wrong but i think it's 180/225/270 ap (lvl 6/11/16)
basically you gotta make a 200/250/300 base damage nerf in that 0.9 ap difference which is where i get 180/225/270 ap
i'm not great at this stuff so i might be thinking it wrong
a 25% nerf on his ult slow is kinda big so i guess it'll even out in like actual damage you deal with people more easily running away from your laser?
PhillipCostigan
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(180 x 0.6) + 500 = 608
(180 x 1.5) + 300 = 570
(222 x 0.6) + 500 = 633.2
(222 x 1.5) + 300 = 633
(180 x 1.5) + 300 = 570
(222 x 0.6) + 500 = 633.2
(222 x 1.5) + 300 = 633
PhillipCostigan
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it's not really a nerf, more a redistribution of power. One of Vel'Koz' issues is that he doesn't scale super well into the late game because of low ratios. He makes up for that somewhat with high base damages and a lot of true damage in his passive. I guess Riot just wanted to add better scaling to one of his abilities (his biggest impact one) so he had a little more late game power.
I don't think it'll make him a super viable champion, but we'll see!
Ghost is Bad
Banned
if they wanted to make him viable they should have made his other abilities scale and made his true damage less.
i think velkoz's ok, he just needs the right meta
like he's got pretty surprising amounts of damage at early levels and good lane presence and he can push pretty easy
some people play him really well mid already, i've played against a couple really good velkoz players that were pretty cray
lee sin nerfs will help him more than ult buffs
like he's got pretty surprising amounts of damage at early levels and good lane presence and he can push pretty easy
some people play him really well mid already, i've played against a couple really good velkoz players that were pretty cray
lee sin nerfs will help him more than ult buffs
PhillipCostigan
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I think Vel'Koz could fit in if the jungle meta changes and Yasuo somehow gets murdered with nerfs or something.
So after my busy schedule of wanting to play League, falling asleep then only playing the one match before bed, I decided to try out new Lucian. I'm with Thresh, and against an Ashe/Nami lane.
One threshing later and despite a late throw we win, relatively comfortably. I built him as I have been doing recently (IE rush) and he's still good. The Q minion damage buff is ridiculous when you have a few items. You can pretty much one shot a minion line, even more than before.
The extra dashes feel nice but keep forgetting they are there and mana free, might need a few games to get used to them. Maybe at higher levels the range is more of a problem, and you might poke holes in my highly scientific measure of one game.
On the other hand I'm technically a scientist of some sort, so by the power of science I give Lucian one of the highest honours you can give to a newly tweaked champ. A big blue Grover.
One threshing later and despite a late throw we win, relatively comfortably. I built him as I have been doing recently (IE rush) and he's still good. The Q minion damage buff is ridiculous when you have a few items. You can pretty much one shot a minion line, even more than before.
The extra dashes feel nice but keep forgetting they are there and mana free, might need a few games to get used to them. Maybe at higher levels the range is more of a problem, and you might poke holes in my highly scientific measure of one game.
On the other hand I'm technically a scientist of some sort, so by the power of science I give Lucian one of the highest honours you can give to a newly tweaked champ. A big blue Grover.
I don't see this being better scaling into late game, though. At level 18, he needs to build 333 ability power just to break even with his current damage. That's a Deathcap and 136 more AP. Meanwhile, old Vel'koz was building spell penetration with the gold you now need to use to get back to his previous power level.
PhillipCostigan
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136 AP is nothing considering you get 80 from Void Staff alone. Zhonya's is another 120 AP. Liandry's is 50. You still have another slot to add more.
Let's say you're Vel'Koz build is Morello's, Sorc's Shoes, Deathcap, Void Staff, Zhonya's, Liandry's.
that's 585 AP without runes or masteries. Let's add the 15 AP from AP quints to hit ~605.
that's about 1508 damage from his rank 3 ult with the changes.
pre changes, his ult would have done 1263 damage. That's 245 extra damage. Almost a 20% damage increase, if my math works out.
it's not an insignificant amount. Whether it's enough remains to be seen.
edit: void staff is 70 so it's slightly less but you get what I mean. I'm not doing all the math again
I bet a thousand fun dollars on you
Mister Negative
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Lucian actually looks like he plays like his concept now
cool
cool
So after my busy schedule of wanting to play League, falling asleep then only playing the one match before bed, I decided to try out new Lucian. I'm with Thresh, and against an Ashe/Nami lane.
One threshing later and despite a late throw we win, relatively comfortably. I built him as I have been doing recently (IE rush) and he's still good. The Q minion damage buff is ridiculous when you have a few items. You can pretty much one shot a minion line, even more than before.
The extra dashes feel nice but keep forgetting they are there and mana free, might need a few games to get used to them. Maybe at higher levels the range is more of a problem, and you might poke holes in my highly scientific measure of one game.
On the other hand I'm technically a scientist of some sort, so by the power of science I give Lucian one of the highest honours you can give to a newly tweaked champ. A big blue Grover.
haha i only read the last sentence to this post but it was worth it
fuck i missed fred durst playing call of duty on twitch
ranked is arams with an introductory laning phase anyways
Ghost is Bad
Banned
no ranked is team deathmatch.
omg
http://www.twitch.tv/limpbizkittwitch/b/548210487
this is great
apparently he plays league
limp bizkit playing at worlds would be the funniest thing
http://www.twitch.tv/limpbizkittwitch/b/548210487
this is great
apparently he plays league
limp bizkit playing at worlds would be the funniest thing
Ghost is Bad
Banned
why does everyone hate me 
You win!
The expected result happened:
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1456934748/38569565
I roamed mid to get first blood. The stoned Sona player disconnected at level 8, later briefly reconnected, but never played any more. The enemy team got no towers the entire game. The enemy team basically built no defense or tank items. We almost killed the nexus at 25 minutes, but died with maybe 20% health left on it. We then grouped, pushed up mid again, and won.
Just goes to show, even if you meant to play ARAM instead of ranked, and have an AFK on your team, and no one banned Jax, the result can be better than you expect.
I have two questions though. One, do the new jungle icons look weird and blurry to anyone else? This is my screen: http://abload.de/img/jungle_iconslioxh.png
Two, is there any way to see ward placement details in postgame summary stuff? I only see champion and building kill locations.
didnt the guy with the black eyes play already
was him from limp bizkit
is limp bizkit still a thing
Ghost is Bad
Banned
fred durst is obviously the greatest musician of all time
fuck bach or that pussy mozart.
fuck bach or that pussy mozart.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
because nobody varies their build path on jax
they always rush phage even when they're losing and they always get fucked. nobody rushes a chain vest against renekton.
they always rush phage even when they're losing and they always get fucked. nobody rushes a chain vest against renekton.
The Vel'Koz changes are disappointing. Not talking about mid Vel but support Vel, which i've seen more of than solo lane Vel, got his level 6 burst hit pretty hard. With the low ratio + high base damage on the ult you could get away with building mostly support items and a few AP items but it looks like the changes are requiring you to get the big AP items to break even. I guess Vel support would still work with his poke but the changes will certainly hurt him in the bot lane.
Stone Ocean
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I hope Riot's changes for hypercarries don't mean direct Kog nerfs, he's a fair champion, look at BoTRK instead.
Dreams-Visions
Member
MAN.
*fuck* Feral Flare jungle buyers.
The shit just makes the game so much harder when you're playing 4v5 for 15 minutes, I swear to christ. I'm top and start off 0-2 because of some well-timed jungler ganks (during the expiration period for my trinket) and the enemy top is clearly about to try to put some heavy damage on the tower. I see my jungler moving in that general direction from mid and i'm thinking "cool, jungler is coming too" so I tp back to top tower and a nice melee ensues. The *entire fight* the jungler is hitting on the white wraith, either oblivious or indifferent. If he simply walks to the lane and stuns, that's a won fight and we not only hold our tower, but take theirs. The shit is just baffling.
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why make the game so much harder for everyone else? Creating that item may have been the single most frustrating item decision I've seen Riot make. It shits up the game one way or another.
edit2: he didn't even visit top for any reason until 20:21. How do you, as a jungler find any measure of acceptability in not visiting a lane for the first 20 minutes of a game? Against a top who has no escape mechanism?
*fuck* Feral Flare jungle buyers.
The shit just makes the game so much harder when you're playing 4v5 for 15 minutes, I swear to christ. I'm top and start off 0-2 because of some well-timed jungler ganks (during the expiration period for my trinket) and the enemy top is clearly about to try to put some heavy damage on the tower. I see my jungler moving in that general direction from mid and i'm thinking "cool, jungler is coming too" so I tp back to top tower and a nice melee ensues. The *entire fight* the jungler is hitting on the white wraith, either oblivious or indifferent. If he simply walks to the lane and stuns, that's a won fight and we not only hold our tower, but take theirs. The shit is just baffling.
edit:
why make the game so much harder for everyone else? Creating that item may have been the single most frustrating item decision I've seen Riot make. It shits up the game one way or another.
edit2: he didn't even visit top for any reason until 20:21. How do you, as a jungler find any measure of acceptability in not visiting a lane for the first 20 minutes of a game? Against a top who has no escape mechanism?
Ghost is Bad
Banned
its ad sion though so its already pretty trash.
Dreams-Visions
Member
yea I didn't even notice that until now. no idea how she collected all those deaths. he bought the GA around the last push.
Sej ult --> Stranglethorns --> GP ult was doing work.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
too bad sejuani built like a retard otherwise they would have actually won.
Wolf Akela
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Back in my day, it was always Ashe mid, and we liked it that way.
I'm having mixed feelings with new Lucian. He just emphasized how much Graves needs to be buffed, because the latter feels pretty redundant at the moment. Maybe additional cooldown reduction on Quick Draw for every enemy champion that was hit by more than 1 bullet from Buckshot and slightly better passive scaling?
I'm having mixed feelings with new Lucian. He just emphasized how much Graves needs to be buffed, because the latter feels pretty redundant at the moment. Maybe additional cooldown reduction on Quick Draw for every enemy champion that was hit by more than 1 bullet from Buckshot and slightly better passive scaling?
if they're going for a niche with graves i'd love it if they did tanky adc
i'd make his passive more reliable, make it so that every shit gives him a stack (and q, w and r can give him multiple stacks) and like i said earlier a shield on his e would be pretty cool
but that's just one style of graves and probably wouldn't be any good in this meta, i just like that idea
i'd make his passive more reliable, make it so that every shit gives him a stack (and q, w and r can give him multiple stacks) and like i said earlier a shield on his e would be pretty cool
but that's just one style of graves and probably wouldn't be any good in this meta, i just like that idea
Ghost is Bad
Banned
graves blows people up
lucian becomes sonic the hedgehog at level 13.
lucian becomes sonic the hedgehog at level 13.
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