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League of Legends |OT7| She Ezreal To Me, Dammit!
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That's all I ever wished... the approval of my peers! Q_Q ty!
I think the biggest issue with your line of reasoning is how you play the game. Everyone plays it differently. To say that X build is worse than Y build on a champion is completely an opinion. There is no right and wrong. Will my build not work in higher ELO? Maybe not. But I had a 70.7% winrate on Akali last season using my build because it's how I played the champion.
Instant dismissal is short-sighted, especially against someone who has played a champion a lot and knows how they play.
SteveWinwood
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um no there is only one correct way to build things einbroch
As an observer, I kinda see the opposite happening: one viewpoint dismissing the majority of other player's decisions.
I rush Battle Fury on Zeus.
I don't build Gunblade, so I'm opposing the idea that you have to build it. You can build it if you want, but you don't have to. Both sides are stubborn.
SteveWinwood
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Alright thanks. I leveled W up first, but I would go way too low on health in prolonged fights.
Q is actually much easier to land than I thought it would be.
I think i'll keep trying her. I'm bored with the supports I normally play right now.
Stone Ocean
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As much as I agree with your overall point, the bolded part does not apply to most champions in this game. The problem with League's itemization is that it's extremely constricting and easily min-maxed, for better or for worse. Not all items are created equal and most items in League are pretty binary in their functions. Sure experimentation is always welcome and if you're winning who am I to judge - plus let's not forget "odd" builds like pretty much every build Kayle has had in the past two years -, but you can't really argue that winning using 80% of a champion's capacity and using 100% are comparable. Champions with varied, equally strong builds are the exception, not the norm, specially when gold efficiency is all over the place.
I'm not disregarding other Akali builds. All I'm saying is that Gunblade is basically tailor-made for her and I don't see a reason not to build it every game.
SteveWinwood
Member
this is what happens when you start off with few active items and its all just number crunching
Stone Ocean
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Pretty much. AP actives are usually limited to Zhonya's, rest is all pure math. Akali gets to buy Gunblade and sometimes you might want to get DFG on some champions, but that's about it.
Because, to me, I don't like it. I don't like the active when I could have the slow all the time and give myself a nice chunk of HP. It doesn't fit me, and therefore, it's not an item I want to build on her. It's as simple as that. Mathmatically, you may be correct. Numbers dictate all. But I play worse with the item and have success not building it, therefore, for me, it's a bad item.
That's not to say you can't build it or shouldn't. But, for me, I don't want it. Get it away from my Akali.
SteveWinwood
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have you even played techies yet
Stone Ocean
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Your Akali smells of elderberries
What Elo are you? I really don't understand this logic.
SteveWinwood
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you don't understand the logic in playing in a style that fits the way you like to play?
Stone Ocean
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Well Riot promised more actives this season, let's see if they actually do it.
Woah woah woah!
I'm not promoting one playstyle. I love playing weird shit. GAF even gives me smack for it occasionally
I'm arguing this because the guy specifically said gunblade is trash on Akali when it isn't.
Crab isn't even considering the points people are putting out because crab saw some streamer play akali with no gunblade and is practically basing everything on that. That is bothering me.
If you want to play akali with no gunblade, fine by me but if you say gunblade is trash on her when 83% of players build it on her and it has a 58% win rate on her, then you are in the wrong.
I'm not promoting one playstyle. I love playing weird shit. GAF even gives me smack for it occasionally
I'm arguing this because the guy specifically said gunblade is trash on Akali when it isn't.
Crab isn't even considering the points people are putting out because crab saw some streamer play akali with no gunblade and is practically basing everything on that. That is bothering me.
If you want to play akali with no gunblade, fine by me but if you say gunblade is trash on her when 83% of players build it on her and it has a 58% win rate on her, then you are in the wrong.
I really can't take much credit considering basically all their lanes lost lol but I like to think I made that possible!
I want more actives but sometimes it gets a bit too much, like Zhonya DFG and Sighstone or Sighstone Randuin Locket/Crucible/Gold item active @_@
Like I wouldn't mind more actives that gave temporary invisibility such as that as Twitch though, but sometimes in TFs it gets a bit stressful button mashing.
I didnt buy this mouse with side buttons for nothin!
Stone Ocean
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I can barely use Zhonya's without tripping over my own feet, RIP me
No joke, ive actually built that once or twice times in ranked against heavy ad caster teams.
It should not.
I figured, just wanted to be sure
Schmattakopf
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blah blah blah. You can literally build anything you want and no one can stop you. The fact that one build is more optimal than another is no threat to your will.
Diprosalic
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pls no.
Yeah, it was. Just gotta stick with your weird support Lulu and weird support Taric, lol.
SteveWinwood
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why are people threatening my will :O
people can play better or more optimally or whatever when something aligns with how theyre comfortable playing
numbers games and min maxing are boring thats what stats is for not video games
if you had more actives then people could play around with the effects and it wouldnt be a pure math problem
Nah. Soraka is too frustrating to play. Not worth it.
I dunno what you want. Not uncommon to have between two and four active items on top of summoners.
SteveWinwood
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i want people to stop caring about gold efficiency and go more towards actual strategy and the positives and negatives any item can give you
you cant have that with just a number game
youll get more variety in builds and it would be more fun id think
PhillipCostigan
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Yep. On some AD carries you could have at least 2, if not 3 (BotRK, QSS/Scimitar, Ghostblade)
Supports have a lot. Examples being Mikael's, Locket, Talisman, Sightstone, Frost Queens Claim etc.
Just a small sampling.
The game is moving further and further away from raw stat only items.
And as soda cop says, you have your summoner spells on top of that.
I feel like this already happens. Yeah there are some core items on guys but build paths are pretty situational for how the game is playing out, enemy team comp, your own team comp, etc.
I still believe.
Is it silly that I am genuinely looking forward to the Harrowing? I have been playing for some months now but it looks really cool that they do these events and they remodel the rift (a bit?).
Idk, I'll prolly be over it once it starts but it's kinda cool at the same time!
Pd. I guess it helps that I love Halloween-themed shit.
Idk, I'll prolly be over it once it starts but it's kinda cool at the same time!
Pd. I guess it helps that I love Halloween-themed shit.
They haven't reskinned the rift in awhile
But we'll get a couple nice Halloween skins. Those are always cool. Plus there will be more ward skins and summoner icons to get.
I mean, you're getting some not great skins for champions that were relevant five months ago. That's all The Harrowing is. Scariest part is that you'll get a bunch of terrible Leblanc players ruining your games.
""The items will focus on your job as the jungler, augmenting the kinds of actions junglers need to take (invasion, ganking, etc). Can't promise no junglers will ever just disappear into their jungle to farm forever, but the items generally encourage you to take action, not avoid it.
Now, a successful counterjungler on one team might mean relatively few ganks for lanes - but it will be because of another pvp match happening on the map (directly through combat or indirectly through camp stealing), not because the junglers aren't interested in participating in a pvp game until 30 minutes go by or anything like that. We are looking at ways to let control of the jungle translate into better ability for your laners to roam, but that kind of system would be pretty light and you would not see ganking at today's frequency.""
this is encouraging
like if you want damage just rush dfg or morellos, you want burst and cdr so you can spam stuns and zhonyas wasn't that great against enemy team. i like buying rylais on support annie often just cos it makes her really annoying heh
also i recommend buying the boots enchantment that lets you flash more, really useful on annie so you can initiate better
Now, a successful counterjungler on one team might mean relatively few ganks for lanes - but it will be because of another pvp match happening on the map (directly through combat or indirectly through camp stealing), not because the junglers aren't interested in participating in a pvp game until 30 minutes go by or anything like that. We are looking at ways to let control of the jungle translate into better ability for your laners to roam, but that kind of system would be pretty light and you would not see ganking at today's frequency.""
this is encouraging
if you're interested i think the zhonyas was totally unwarranted against the enemy team and also not really what you want with annie
like if you want damage just rush dfg or morellos, you want burst and cdr so you can spam stuns and zhonyas wasn't that great against enemy team. i like buying rylais on support annie often just cos it makes her really annoying heh
also i recommend buying the boots enchantment that lets you flash more, really useful on annie so you can initiate better
we don't talk about the dark days anymore
eh, that's crab for ya, i think he's right with some stuff like sunfire cape not being all that great but too dense to get any actual discussion :I
hopeful happy soraka soda is dead lol
Stone Ocean
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If you can make Taric work you can make the goat work
Diprosalic
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i checked out the new SR and i'm not impressed at all. looks meh.
Yeah, Zhonya was like 0 gold efficient because half the time they ignored me. I just expected Lucian to focus me since he seemed to be the only one with a brain! I was building DFG but yeah we ended, if I get the chance to build past DFG I either go for Void Staff or Morello's (Void staff kinda silly maybe?). I literally used Zhonya not even once. ;(
I love Distortion boots! But to be honest I got most picks from jungle fights and ulted through walls so didn't really need ot initiate TFs at all with Flash! In fact, most of the time my Flash was up, which to be honest is a luxury when playing Annie! I probably would have gotten those if the match had continued for much longer!
Really appreciate the insight :3 I'll take it all!
Stone Ocean
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Flash ult is like Annie's biggest moment, don't be afraid to use it specially if you can get multiple people in your stun.
I don't think this has to be a question of active abilities. I feel like League already has this in that correctly building a champion requires choosing between a limited but not canonical set of options for the particular circumstance.
I don't think that this is particularly well communicated to the player right now -- every time I think I know all the items I need to know I discover there's a whole other build path I was just not paying attention to -- and I think a lot of the options aren't really very good right now, but I do think the structure is at least there.
As a general rule, I think that active abilities aren't a great design choice in League, because either they're not that great in which case they're not that great, or they're that great in which case you want to force them on every champ you can conceivably build them on (Zhonya's, Mikael's). It's too significant a power expansion for a game where champs have four abilities.
No. Taric is good and helpful. Strong burst with the potential to extend fights even if engaged upon. For the most part Soraka is pretty reliant on teammates doing things properly because everything in her kit is unreliable, so once fights break out you just have to hope your team doesn't screw up really bad. Zero pick potential. Almost no capacity to control the momentum of a fight. All she has is siege. I could keep playing Soraka and maybe do okay, but it wouldn't be because of Soraka specifically.
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