Zero, because those players will already be playing HotS.
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Zero, because those players will already be playing HotS.
None.
By definition they don't know anything already...so they're not relearning. Does their garen still spin? Yep, they're good to go.
Stone Ocean
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I doubt most super casual players even read the patch notes
They'll just go their merry way doing whatever they feel like
Kotetsu534
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Super casual players who play in completely sub-optimal ways and don't give a damn are probably the least likely players to leave because of an overhaul - they'll just ignore it like they do with other patches.
The most likely group to leave are players with some mastery who aren't extremely invested in LoL, if their area of mastery is completely overhauled. I could definitely see some S4 jungle mains feeling really put out by a huge overhaul (but probably not many long-time jungle mains, since the jungle has always been turfed around).
The most likely group to leave are players with some mastery who aren't extremely invested in LoL, if their area of mastery is completely overhauled. I could definitely see some S4 jungle mains feeling really put out by a huge overhaul (but probably not many long-time jungle mains, since the jungle has always been turfed around).
Kinda dissapointed by the lack of new active items. It's the best part of Dota 2 by far and the only one aspect of that game I wish Lol had.
I'm not sure I like the permabuff dragon and the buff you get for being in your base/inner turret shields; encouraging turtle is not good. I hope these don't make it to live. The rest look interesting.
I'm not sure I like the permabuff dragon and the buff you get for being in your base/inner turret shields; encouraging turtle is not good. I hope these don't make it to live. The rest look interesting.
Wolf Akela
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Most insane comeback I've had in a very long time. Every lane started losing pretty badly (roughly 0/3 average on every single player). I was getting manhandled by Volibear. Lucian disconnected. Everyone agreed on surrendering just at the 12 minute mark.
Somehow we barely scraped by in teamfights, but still losing. Lost top inhib, lost mid turret inhib. Lucian reconnected. Somehow started almost breaking even in fights. Thresh catches one or two loners. Also, for a VERY long time after we took baron, the enemy team kept going at the 3 teammates left behind. My teammates kept winning.
One time, Liss got caught really BAD by Volibear. I was running toward her when Rammus appeared nearby and I saw Syndra coming along. I considered her dead until she nuked both of them to below half health. Me and Thresh decided to help and we 3-0'd that skirmish.
Somehow we barely scraped by in teamfights, but still losing. Lost top inhib, lost mid turret inhib. Lucian reconnected. Somehow started almost breaking even in fights. Thresh catches one or two loners. Also, for a VERY long time after we took baron, the enemy team kept going at the 3 teammates left behind. My teammates kept winning.
One time, Liss got caught really BAD by Volibear. I was running toward her when Rammus appeared nearby and I saw Syndra coming along. I considered her dead until she nuked both of them to below half health. Me and Thresh decided to help and we 3-0'd that skirmish.
Stone Ocean
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The base buff is probably meant to give people tools to fight off splitpushing with the new Baron buff
Lone_Prodigy
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Any tips on countering Tryndamere besides CC/exhaust? Seems like once he gets fed he's a terror, and his ult always seems to be off cooldown.
Also, how to beat Nasus as Garen? I use my Q to either counter his Wither or try to prevent his Q and spin to keep him away from minions, but I don't seem to do enough damage to him. I end up pushing the lane and can't get him low enough to dive+engage+ult without him using his own ult. One thing I'll work on is using E away from minions so I don't push the lane, and maybe starting Doran's Blade instead of Shield for more early harass. Or maybe I should just pick a ranged AP champ like Ryze.
I should've dodged the game above. First pick didn't know about the Trist nerf so he ended up going AP Trist. 4th pick chooses Blitz into Leona leaving me (last pick) as top. There was zero communication as we got stomped. At one point I flashed behind Annie to dodge her ult but she got it off first, which meant I was stunned after flashing. I really wish it was a disjoint.
Also, how to beat Nasus as Garen? I use my Q to either counter his Wither or try to prevent his Q and spin to keep him away from minions, but I don't seem to do enough damage to him. I end up pushing the lane and can't get him low enough to dive+engage+ult without him using his own ult. One thing I'll work on is using E away from minions so I don't push the lane, and maybe starting Doran's Blade instead of Shield for more early harass. Or maybe I should just pick a ranged AP champ like Ryze.
I should've dodged the game above. First pick didn't know about the Trist nerf so he ended up going AP Trist. 4th pick chooses Blitz into Leona leaving me (last pick) as top. There was zero communication as we got stomped. At one point I flashed behind Annie to dodge her ult but she got it off first, which meant I was stunned after flashing. I really wish it was a disjoint.
I like the idea of granting dragon more incentives, it's just that I don't think a permanent buff is the right option.
Orochinagis
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So many sions yesterday, so many CCs against me.
You probably can't stop Nasus from getting stacks. Most champions can't really stop Nasus from getting stacks, honestly. What you can do is push the wave in and go roam while Nasus is slowly scaling up. Garen is unfortunately not super equipped to do this, but if you can gank mid and then take the tower there while Nasus is killing minions one at a time, you might be able to get the advantage in this matchup.
Can always silence him when he goes to Q a minion just to be an ass.
PhillipCostigan
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very few people are going to be playing HotS for more than a couple of days. I hope. Or everyone has terrible taste.
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2 more wins to gold promos.
Now that I can play in the evening it should be quicker too.
Try to kite him out without CC. Find something with Grievous Wounds. Try to beat him early and hope he doesn't get a lucky crit. Cut off his vision to stop him from splitting. Play something that scales as well as him.
If you break it down, team wide gold on kill is a permanent buff in the form of item stats. The major difference here is that Riot now determines the form, timing, and strength of those buffs. It affords Riot a level of control over how a match progresses (e.g. the ADC can't use first Dragon gold to get an AD item edge on his opponent).
SteveWinwood
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why
Can confirm this is the most annoying thing to deal with when I play nasus. Actually nevermind teemo is the most annoying thing when I play as
When are we going to play HotS again?
It's like when you take a trip to Haiti to appreciate what you have.
just play shaco and counter everything while the other guy backs at lvl 3.
Stone Ocean
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Hots was bound to fail, it launched without a Drow Ranger rip off
You can't make a moba and not rip off Drow Ranger
You can't make a moba and not rip off Drow Ranger
Technically it didn't launch yet. Sylvanas will come out eventually and she's the original.
PhillipCostigan
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HotS hasn't launched yet
it's still in Alpha.
It's fun for a while but gets super boring really quickly.
SteveWinwood
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its so unfun tho
Lone_Prodigy
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To be honest I feel like I should've pushed/ganked more. I didn't get any ganks (since I had the lane pushed) and Nasus was always low on mana so I should've roamed more. Once I started leaving the lane we seemed to do better but by that time the other lanes were already pretty fed.
I do this, but the Wither is annoying.
I was Leona so CC/exhaust wasn't an issue. My team just ran every time they saw him and our jungle was no help. He was laning against our Zed who would go in 1v4 just to get one kill.
Isn't that what DOTA players say about LoL?
Has the jungle role always been so unrewarding gold/farm wise? Like the spirit items and conservation stacks were supposed to alleviate that issue.
Not really, it is more that the jungle has always received a minor or major overhaul each season.
I just had the funniest game ever. It started off bad. We all called lanes, every member. Then the ADC decided he wanted top. I was top, called, locked, etc. Everyone else did too.
We get in game, Tristana goes top. I ping her, ask her what she's doing, and she just taunt spams. I give her a bit, then she starts creeping and pings me back.
I say "Sorry guys, I don't want to reward this player. I'm just gonna AFK. I know it sucks for you, but this isn't fun." Was I in the wrong? Probably. But I hate that shit. Instalocking is one thing. I can dodge or adjust. But thinking you're doing one thing, then switching to something else and laughing about it, that's just annoying.
Anyway, the Sona (mid Sona) goes off, calling me a cunt, a whiner, a baby, etc. I just calmly respond that I don't want to reward the Tristana. She says we can win, I say I understand that but this isn't fun for me, and that I'm sorry for ruining your game, but you should blame Tristana as well.
All game, literally non-stop, she's spamming all chat about me, never mentioning Trist. I say that if they want to report me, they can. The other team's ADC wonders what's going on, then realizes that he blocked the Sona a few weeks ago. He said she's obnoxious. We spend the rest of the game making fun of the Sona who is clearly a kid and throwing a tantrum. Yes, I'm an ass, but that was so fucking funny. Everyone reported the Sona.
Good times.
We get in game, Tristana goes top. I ping her, ask her what she's doing, and she just taunt spams. I give her a bit, then she starts creeping and pings me back.
I say "Sorry guys, I don't want to reward this player. I'm just gonna AFK. I know it sucks for you, but this isn't fun." Was I in the wrong? Probably. But I hate that shit. Instalocking is one thing. I can dodge or adjust. But thinking you're doing one thing, then switching to something else and laughing about it, that's just annoying.
Anyway, the Sona (mid Sona) goes off, calling me a cunt, a whiner, a baby, etc. I just calmly respond that I don't want to reward the Tristana. She says we can win, I say I understand that but this isn't fun for me, and that I'm sorry for ruining your game, but you should blame Tristana as well.
All game, literally non-stop, she's spamming all chat about me, never mentioning Trist. I say that if they want to report me, they can. The other team's ADC wonders what's going on, then realizes that he blocked the Sona a few weeks ago. He said she's obnoxious. We spend the rest of the game making fun of the Sona who is clearly a kid and throwing a tantrum. Yes, I'm an ass, but that was so fucking funny. Everyone reported the Sona.
Good times.
Jungle camps as they are will rap apart laners pre-6, and well beyond that if you can't safely farm from a distance (e.g. Fizz). Chickens are no fucking joke.
Kotetsu534
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The jungle was much worse for gold in season 2, which was when the tanks reigned supreme (building GP10 items). Junglers were essentially glorified supports unless they got a ton of kills (but season 2 supports were glorified minions). Season 3 made bruiser junglers extremely strong at the start with the Spirit items and buffs to single target jungling at the expense of AoE clearers, like most tanks, but ended up leaving them in a not too dissimilar place to season 2 after a ton of nerfs to items and champions. That was the season where the Tabi -> SOTAG -> Runic Bulwark was absurdly strong. I think the relative strength of junglers during early season 3 was probably their highest ever, but it wasn't so much to do with farming power as their items.
Season 4 had the Feral Flare era, probably the all time high point of powerfarm jungling. For a few weeks Udyr, Yi, Shyvana and Xin took over games by farming themselves into monsters, far ahead of the rest of the map. Once it was nerfed we got to the Eve/Kha/Lee/Elise early game focussed era following the Flare nerfs, with jungle tanks gradually taking over in solo queue as continued nerfs to the dominant early gamers softened them up.
Junglers will probably always be weaker than solo laners assuming they aren't pinching excessive lane farm or specialised entirely for powerfarming, since they can have a gigantic influence on the map in the first 15-20 minutes with ganks and objective calls. Any time they've spiked up sufficiently to simply outscale laners there's been a huge outcry and Riot swiftly pushes them back down. Riot, in season 5, are going to try to create a scenario where all types of junglers can be viable on the same patch without one type overshadowing the rest, or allowing one or two problematic champions to become obviously superior to their competitors. History suggests this will be difficult to accomplish.
EarlyEarly
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You afk'd but still watched the game?
I work from home and worked some while I "played". But then the conversation got fun.
Kotetsu534
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Yeah, I'd be talking about you too. One thing to get an obnoxious player who won't follow pick order in your game, another thing to respond to them by trolling your team. Just try your best then report them.
Seems that way, although it's difficult say with any certainty. Chickens alone really fucks up the paths because they're way too strong. But it does seem that depending on what you want to accomplish (clear to 6, early gank, early counterjungle) the path does change. I still think all camps are overtuned right now.
You sound like the bad guy here.
I never said I wasn't. In fact, I said I was.
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