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League of Legends |OT7| She Ezreal To Me, Dammit!
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Stone Ocean
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Which is why it's very likely these changes won't just ship as is.
Rickless did both the Morg and MF reworks and they worked great, trust him a little.
unless she keeps her high mana costs shield passive will come at a price tho
price will prolly be damage
so she'll be a top laner/support
*with approximately 7 seconds of setup time.
It's also worth noting the relevancy of MR in this discussion as it starts to approach breakpoints actually worth thinking about.
I have absolutely no problems with Syndra bar her stun (it's kinda hard to predict IMO). She's a squishy mage with no mobility so she deserves to do a ton of damage. All I'm saying is that bad Syndras can just miss their shit but DFG + R + Ignite someone for an EZ kill.
The DFG nerf just separates the good Syndras from the bad ones.
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no they cant lol
do u know why almost nobody buys dfg on syndra anymore
because if she gets close enough to blow someone up chances are shes close enough to get fucked even harder than that.
Again, you do know how to get to a 7-shot Syndra ult, right? Because you're talking about "bad Syndras" and "missing skillshots" on a very lenient ability and ignoring that she requires max CDR and a W-held Q orb to keep 4 orbs alive on the field. A more reasonable expectation from Syndra is a 5-shot ult. This Magical Christmas Land of Syndra having 4 live Orbs in play and has the time to walk into range to DFG + Ult is a fairly silly representation of reality.
Dunno. I don't recall any discussion about lowering her mana costs.
zkylon said:
Well, 60s cooldown was pretty damn low, but I think a big part of it is to preempt a few champions that are on the edge of being ban worthy OP in competitive play right now (e.g. Fizz).
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maybe ill play liss if her ult stops bugging out on me.
Yeah, by doing this:
* Q. Wait 4 seconds.
* Q.
* W the first sphere. Wait 4 seconds.
* Q.
* IN THE NEXT TWO SECONDS R. Enemy must be within 675 range unless you're level 16+.
If you get hit by this you were already an EZ kill.
edit: ACTUALLY THIS IS ONLY THREE SPHERES I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO GET FOUR
For the most part, it's to desync the cooldown timers so more of the burst champions that want DFG have their ultimate cooldown up before DFG rather than the opposite. DFG before their burst is up means it effectively has no cooldown. This does mean it hits fringe cases and CDR-focused ones harder.
It's basically what you said but with CDR. At 40% CDR, the entire cycle takes ~7.2s which means a timed W juggle.
t = 0, Q [1]
t = 2.4, Q [2]
t = 4.8, Q [3]
t = any time before 6.0, W the first Orb. Probably just best / easiest to do it right before the 3rd Q.
t = 7.2, Q [4], you have ~1.2s before the second Q times out.
The minimum CDR for it is ~30% and you have a under half a second before the second Q vanishes in that case since the last orb forms at 8.4s and times out at 8.8s.
Stone Ocean
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It was a 4 sphere ult on a 3 levels behind Draven who also got hit by a Kha Zix W by a Syndra that considering overall levels is likely very fed or farmed.
Wow. I thought the Elise nerf was only on the Q and auto. Apparently it goes deeper than that. I'll never play Elise again with these changes.
Base attack range lowered to 500 from 550
Neurotoxin ( Human Q ) range decreased to 500 from 625
Cocoon ( Human E ) missile width decreased to 55 from 70
Rappel ( Spider E ) range decreased to 700 from 925
I'm literally aghast. Just rework her. Reduce her range on everything but then nerf the range of her gap closer? Did they forget Rappel has a pretty big cast time for that range? Crazy.
Base attack range lowered to 500 from 550
Neurotoxin ( Human Q ) range decreased to 500 from 625
Cocoon ( Human E ) missile width decreased to 55 from 70
Rappel ( Spider E ) range decreased to 700 from 925
I'm literally aghast. Just rework her. Reduce her range on everything but then nerf the range of her gap closer? Did they forget Rappel has a pretty big cast time for that range? Crazy.
Stone Ocean
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Those range nerfs will not make Elise weak.
i know was just showing example in which i was clearly pretty fed cos it was fun
but like it's a pretty huge positional misplay on the part of the draven, any mid will blow you up if you walk into their range like an idiot
Fuck
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You still have Cho'Gath.
So now Shurelya's is going to become even more uncommon? I don't see the Movement speed being enough to make up for the CDR reduction. And I guess the Spell Thief nerf is an indirect nerf to Nami, Zyra, and Morgana.
Sr Kitsune
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I'm curious to know who is the most hated champion here. (not counting teemo) Either because of the people who plays those champions, or the champion itself.
I dislike a lot of champions, lol: Ryze, Katarina, Ezreal, Jax, Morgana, Nidalee, Shaco, Talon, Trynda, Vayne, Warwick, Zed, Ziggs, Xin, Yasuo, Yorick.
Mostly because of the people that plays with these champions tend to be pretty toxic, some because they're boring yet annoying(like Yorick).
But if I had to choose my top 3: Vayne, Ezreal, Shaco. (runners-ups: Ryze, Ziggs, Katarina)
They always find a way to make the match annoying/frustrating/unpleasant, even if we're winning.
I dislike a lot of champions, lol: Ryze, Katarina, Ezreal, Jax, Morgana, Nidalee, Shaco, Talon, Trynda, Vayne, Warwick, Zed, Ziggs, Xin, Yasuo, Yorick.
Mostly because of the people that plays with these champions tend to be pretty toxic, some because they're boring yet annoying(like Yorick).
But if I had to choose my top 3: Vayne, Ezreal, Shaco. (runners-ups: Ryze, Ziggs, Katarina)
They always find a way to make the match annoying/frustrating/unpleasant, even if we're winning.
:^)
Oh I got a big list.
Nidalee
Vayne
Udyr
WW
Thresh
Akali
Talon
Fizz
Ryze
Pantheon
Kat
Morg
Tristana
Tryndamere
Lulu
Kayle
Yeah, Udyr players are usually huge assholes. However, the good ones are just so god damn annoying. I was in a game with him once and he was so fed he built an IE. Dude literally 2 shot their Lulu.
Also WTF why riot stop nerfing MR
Stone Ocean
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Vayne is probably the one people will agree the most.
My particularly hated champion is Udyr. Fuck this useless piece of shit and the people that play him.
My particularly hated champion is Udyr. Fuck this useless piece of shit and the people that play him.
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nah rengar is worse than vayne in solo q
SliceSabre
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I need to learn to do something besides Support. I used to be able to play all roles with some success with support being the best. But now after my time away I'm too scared to do anything besides support.
Oh and here is my name on League if anyone is interested: SliceSabre
Oh and here is my name on League if anyone is interested: SliceSabre
SteveWinwood
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after ti4 you have abandoned dota huh
Re: most annoying, the most annoying champs are the people that AFK farm all game until it's too late. Other than that, so specific champ.
Try playing ADC. It might end up helping you with your Support play as well, I.e. Positioning, communication, determining the kill potential/strength of yourself/the ADC
Try playing ADC. It might end up helping you with your Support play as well, I.e. Positioning, communication, determining the kill potential/strength of yourself/the ADC
Stone Ocean
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Did TI4 upset people?
All this collusion and racism left a bad taste in my mouth. Now DOTA2 is as bad as FGC, and I don't even play fighting games.
yes, shurelyas just got a load of useless stats injected into it
like movement speed in theory sounds nice but outside combat you still get noticeably less ms than boots 5 and you lose the cdr rush that was like the biggest appeal outside of active
i don't get it
will get to this later :3:^)
Oh I got a big list.
Nidalee
Vayne
Udyr
WW
Thresh
Akali
Talon
Fizz
Ryze
Pantheon
Kat
Morg
Tristana
Tryndamere
Lulu
Kayle
Yeah, Udyr players are usually huge assholes. However, the good ones are just so god damn annoying. I was in a game with him once and he was so fed he built an IE. Dude literally 2 shot their Lulu.
Also WTF why riot stop nerfing MR
SteveWinwood
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The grand finals weren't the most hype shit ever and america only got third so naturally the evil racist chinese were pot splitting and dota sucks now.
Stone Ocean
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Holy moly is it that bad?
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what happened to dota
Stone Ocean
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So from what I gather it was basically like League's Season 3 finals, but with the 2 finalists being chinese teams no one knows and the matches being won in extremely retardedly boring ways after one of these teams having beaten the crowd favorite, am I correct?
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oh so it was basically like watching eu then.
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