You know, I'd actually be more ok with the S2 finale if they brought back the Super-Spirits in some way. They kinda made it a point to say that people used to be able to do this, so maybe Jinorah will be able to make a Super-Spirit. Otherwise it was this random one-off thing that they pulled out of their ass and it was Korra of all people who was able to perform this intensely spiritual feat. Not saying that I think it was a good thing, but it seems stupid to sweep this ability under the rug. Its obviously OP as shit, but I'd be disappointed if they never address it again.
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Lord_Byron28
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Yeah I'd say I like what they accomplished in Book 2 and I was overall happy with where the characters ended up (except for Lin) but how they got there was a mess.
The Silver
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trailer didn't seem to give any indication but are there gonna be random spirits walking around now, I just want to see them walking around and waving hello to some random cat spirit running about.
Unspeakable Evil
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I hope we see more of carrot spirit
Lord_Byron28
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I suspect not. After all they didnt say or acknowledge much as to how Aang was able to fuse with the Ocean spirit and become this huge powerful being.
Yeah in a preview they show Jinora wandering around with spirits.
CreeperBlocks
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I'm pretty sure here in Canada we won't be having the new episodes soon because YTV and Nick Canada are god awful.
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I wouldn't say Azula is a sociopath but I would be comfortable describing her as sadistic.
As for the upcoming season, I'm hoping they had some long term plot points in mind with the Spirit World being opened up and that they didn't just do it for its own sake. I would hate for the fallout to just be minor plot inconveniences that goes away in a couple episodes.
As for the upcoming season, I'm hoping they had some long term plot points in mind with the Spirit World being opened up and that they didn't just do it for its own sake. I would hate for the fallout to just be minor plot inconveniences that goes away in a couple episodes.
Yeah, its wishful thinking and would really fuck with power levels, but at least they would be consistent with the new lore they set up. Tenzin said that people used to meditate in Tree of Time (or whatever it was called) and could project their spirits. Since the spirit portals are open, anyone who is spiritually powerful enough should be able to use this ability. They've set up Jinorah to be this spiritual prodigy who can apparently do whatever the fuck she wants to. If they wanted to have any amount of consistency from season to season, they wouldn't disregard this. Oh well, I guess we'll have to see where this season leads.
The Silver
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i've long given up on hoping for plot consequences for one season to carry over, all I expect is to see random spirits now and again and for Jinora to do unexplainable bullshit.
BigBadGiantHand
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So excited for tonight guys, genuinely.
Good to hear. Hopefully the show will reward your optimism.
I'm also intetested in what comes after Book 4, both for the Avatar franchise and for Bryke. For better or worst, I don't think Nick is going to pony up the cash for another Avatar series, at least not with the production values we have become accustomed to. If there is a third series, it will probably take the form of some CG abomination; now, in theory, the writing could make up for it, but things like the DVD commentary don't inspire confidence (assuming Bryke is still at the helm).
As for the creators, I know in an interview late last year, Mike said they were opened to doing another series after they took a little time off. He said something along the lines that Avatar would be something that would continue to bring them both back over the years (Al Pacino style). They consider Avatar their baby, and they don't trust anyone else not to fuck it up (insert your own, possibly George Lucas related, joke here).
Regardless, I'm hyped for Book 3! Let's hope it don't suck.
What time does it actually start? Like, in how many hours? I have some errands to run today, but I'll be able to join the live chat thing as long as I know when.
My idea would be to start edging into sci-fi territory, given the escalation of technology.
My idea would be to start edging into sci-fi territory, given the escalation of technology.
Pretty much. I'm still happy it's back. The sad thing is, even when I don't like the show I'm still happy to experience the Avatar world. It's such a good world.
Pai Pai Master
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This is pretty much how I feel about Korra. The world they created for The Last Airbender is so intriguing and beautiful, and that does successfully carry on to the "sequel" series I think. The thing that elevated TLA above and beyond was its characters and writing which was exceptional for such a program. Korra's characters and writing are average on the other hand but it's still worth it for the full package, I think.
And even though the first two seasons had some low points with the current cast, I like that they took some detours to focus on Aang or Wan. I just hope that, somehow, Korra gets her past lives back because that shit was dumb and that direct connection to Aang helped me put up with her.
Yes, well said!
Plus, I mean...even when things get negative, I really enjoy spending my time with Korra GAF talking about this show. I would want to love this show, of course. But regardless, I'm just glad I get to experience the Avatar world, and do so with some friends.
/cheesy speech
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Supposedly it will start at 7pm but i forgot about the whole timezones stuff.
Wont be watching it since i wont be at home and they aren't doing repeats on a saturday so *shrug*.
Will instead watch all the suffering in this thread.
Supposedly it will start at 7pm but i forgot about the whole timezones stuff.
Wont be watching it since i wont be at home and they aren't doing repeats on a saturday so *shrug*.
Will instead watch all the suffering in this thread.
There will be streams at 4pm for Pacific. Just google them.
Supposedly it will start at 7pm but i forgot about the whole timezones stuff.
Wont be watching it since i wont be at home and they aren't doing repeats on a saturday so *shrug*.
Will instead watch all the suffering in this thread.
I'm in chicago, so that's 6pm to me. Got about 3 and a half hours then. Plenty of time.
I'm looking forward to tonight but with obviously tempered expectations. I want to love this series but the writing is just soooooooo uuggggghhhhh :/ 
There also aren't enough facepalms in the universe to express how I feel about that creator interview regarding last season. You fucking wrote it, HOW DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE TO EVEN YOU? DEAR LORD O_O
Also shoutouts to Kinvara for the awesome cosplay
There also aren't enough facepalms in the universe to express how I feel about that creator interview regarding last season. You fucking wrote it, HOW DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE TO EVEN YOU? DEAR LORD O_OAlso shoutouts to Kinvara for the awesome cosplay
Yeah, the worldbuilding they did for Korra is so far beyond the actual character building imo. It's really disappointing. Still, I have hopes - there's still talent there, clearly. Some episodes still stand out, occasionally.
What world building? Other than the Wan stuff, which was mediocre at best, there has not been anything added to the mythology. The equalist stuff would have counted until it turned out that it was a dud.
I think Republic City and the Spirit World stuff was alright. I mean, Republic City got boring (in that, they didn't explore the city enough. It was the same backdrop). But I still liked the idea of Republic City (from an overall narrative perspective from ATLA). Spirit world stuff was rushed (well the Wan stuff was pretty good). But I mean Korra going into the spirit world felt rushed.
I mean I agree with you. But I think I like the overall world of Korra more than the characters. Soo I get where Amir0x is coming from too.
We got a much more in-depth look at spirits and the spirit world, something that wasn't really brought up post Book 1 in the original show.
Not to mention an explanation for the existence of the Avatar itself.
Even the existence of Republic City and the way the nations interact now is an advancement of the series' mythos.
Republic City is a cool idea, but like you said, it's unexplored. And I think I made my stance on the spirit stuff already known. Most of what they added to the mythos, I disapprove of. And what they didn't was just showing stuff that's already known.
It didn't bother me too much. I know we've had endless discussions on it. But I definitely agree that some of spiritual mythology became wonky with the Wan stuff. Or rather, there was some contradictions or questionable leaps in logic with how things were in ATLA. I personally didn't mind it too much, because I actually liked the explanation in the Wan episode (I mean as a stand alone explanation). I liked the idea of Raava vs Vatu and how the Avatar was created. I liked how the Lion Turtles used to be the different lands etc.
But yeah, there are still things that don't entirely jive. So in terms of the overall technical aspect of the writing and it being consistent to the old mythos, I agree there are things about it that are problematic. I guess I just liked the new stuff so much, I was willing to look past it (and not see it as damaging). Whereas there are things they've done with Aang and other characters, that I do think is kind of damaging (not only in terms of it being questionable from a consistent character perspective, but they just weren't good stories even as it's own thing).
Just me though. Still, even if you don't like the Spirit World stuff entirely, I still say the overall world of Korra (like the backdrops and bending) has still been better than the characters. Which is...sad. lol (especially since the bending isn't anywhere as special as it was in ATLA. Although some of the choreography has been getting better).
13. There might be a couple breaks (like 1 or 2 week breaks). The Book is 100% finished though, so if there are breaks, it will just be for scheduling. Next week there won't be an episode because it's the 4th of July for instance. Then again, this is Nick. Who the hell knows with them. But this should just air straight.
*sigh* Fair enough, you may have a point about that. I just sort see it as cheating. Anything compelling about Korra's world is usually taken straight out of TLA. The equalist stuff is the only thing they had going for them and they buried that in the dirt.
Oh well. Hopefully Book 3 will offer us something better.
About the introduction of the spiritual backstory...
The main thing that felt off to me about Raava / Vaatu was how anthropomorphised and relatable they were while basically being gods.
It just seems like such powerful celestial entities should exist on such an abstracted plane of existence from humans that they'd barely be able to comprehend them, Lovecraft-style, and instead we have Wan wittily bantering with Raava and Vaatu going "MWA HA HA".
Still, though, I was glad to see their origins explored instead of handwaved away like you might see in a typical anime.
The main thing that felt off to me about Raava / Vaatu was how anthropomorphised and relatable they were while basically being gods.
It just seems like such powerful celestial entities should exist on such an abstracted plane of existence from humans that they'd barely be able to comprehend them, Lovecraft-style, and instead we have Wan wittily bantering with Raava and Vaatu going "MWA HA HA".
Still, though, I was glad to see their origins explored instead of handwaved away like you might see in a typical anime.
I totally get where you are coming from. You care a lot about the writing, and the overall world. It's never good when a writer/creator starts contradicting things (especially when it comes to themes and mythology). It really throws a wrench in things, and in a way, re-defines things in the past (basically retcons).
I'm usually more harsh. I guess I'm probably biased since I love the Avatar world so much. I suppose on some level (as I said in the past), I kind of accepted from the get go that Korra would be it's own thing. That I knew it would never live up to ATLA and COULD never live up to it. And I was okay with that. I was okay with it even being tonally different, because I viewed it as its own show.
However, the problem for me (which is what I think you struggle with), is the show really goes out of its way to tie itself directly into ATLA. Not just with nods, but by actually expanding the overall world and mythology (in a way that actually goes back and re-defines certain elements). THAT IS VERY problematic. I guess at this point, I just like experiencing the Avatar world. I just want a coherent story. I just want episodes to be enjoyable.
Pretty sad that, I'm coming at it from that perspective.
I asked a mod, and they said we are NOT allowed to post links to streams (not even links to a site that has the streams on a different page). But if you google it, you should be able to find some.
Yeah, pretty much, though I disagree that Korra never had a shot of suprassing the original. It could have happened, even if it were unlikely. But for them to fail this epically...ugh.
No explanation is often preferable to a bad explanation. The giant Kite spirits being anthropomorphised is just one of the problems. The way lion turtles hand out bending for no reason to any random asshole that asks is stupid, that the avatar is just this random human who 'had a good heart' demystifies the epicness into a rocky balboa story. The avatar state is now just a super mode rather than the height of human achievement by compounding all the avatars experiences into one moment.
The Wan stuff is just a mess all around. It adds nothing to the mythos, they just needed it because otherwise what was happening with Unalaq would have been incomprehensible.
I wonder though, how else they could have explained the Avatar (how they came to be). Maybe it's something they shouldn't have explained. Often I find (in Fantasy), trying to explain something magical often ends up being much worse than just accepting it's magic. I will say while I didn't hate the Lion Turtle stuff like you, I found it kind of weird how they were willing to just bounce after the Harmonic Convergence. Makes you wonder where the fuck they went. Why did they go away? What do they do in their spare time? What was their purpose in the first place? Why do they exist. Them leaving when the Avatar was created really made no sense, and kind of just highlighted all this.
I'll send you a PM regarding this, because I HAVE seen an Avatar origin story done right.
Cool. I edited my post, because I kind of agree with you on the Lion Turtle stuff. I guess at face value/surface entertainment I liked it. But in terms of overall writing, it was kind of silly. But yeah, I can't wait to read it.
Raava and Vaatu are like other deities/spirits found in the Hindu and Shinto religions. The creators got a lot of their ideas about Avatar's spirit world from Miyazaki films.
I think they fit well into the overall tone of the series- something too surreal or abstract wouldn't really fit. IMO.
Unspeakable Evil
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This ain't Satoday
its almost time for Her resurrection
haters better repent because She is coming
Premiere will get nothing but praise shh.
TBH, I don't think we have enough of it set up to do it. =/ I ended up being busy this week, and never got around to taking down info (of those that were interested). That said, we won't have a Korra next week. And we have a total of 3 episodes tonight. That is a lot of content to take in. So maybe we can do the chat thing tomorrow or another day?
Ideally, I would like to do a group chat after each episode airs (and do that consistently week to week). But there is still the issue of time zone differences and other scheduling problems.
I guess I'll just do this now:
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Korra GAF Skype Chat
Every week after Korra airs, we will jump on Skype and do a little podcast style chat about the episode, and things about Korra in general. This will NOT be recorded, it's just a casual discussion about the show/episode.
If you are interested in doing this: PM me the following,
Your Time Zone:
Best day for you to do it: (so if you can't do it after the episode airs, then what days are generally good for you)
Your Skype User Name:
The group chat will be very relaxed, and respectful. Not everyone will agree on certain things, and there might be criticisms brought up. But the point of the chat is not to just jump all over the show. Rather, it's more about everyone's own personal take and where they are coming from.
Again, PM me if you are interested in doing this.
It would be hilarious if someone used skype recorder and turned this into a podcast in secret. He/she would just record an intro themselves as if they were the host and splice it onto the discussion haha.
I wouldn't mind. Although I'm not the best person for that sort of thing (when it comes to voice/flow pacing). And without structure it might be all over the place. TBH I just wanted to talk to my fellow GAF members about something we all have an interest in.
Oi, that could have been fun! But I think most people would rather just watch the episode first (to take it in). I personally don't mind commentary though, that would be fun. But I just assumed most would rather do it after the episode. I was expecting this to come out in August, so I totally forgot to organize this. Hopefully we get some people interested. I think it could be really fun.
I wouldn't mind. Although I'm not the best person for that sort of thing (when it comes to voice/flow pacing). And without structure it might be all over the place. TBH I just wanted to talk to my fellow GAF members about something we all have an interest in.
Oi, that could have been fun! But I think most people would rather just watch the episode first (to take it in). I personally don't mind commentary though, that would be fun. But I just assumed most would rather do it after the episode. I was expecting this to come out in August, so I totally forgot to organize this. Hopefully we get some people interested. I think it could be really fun.
I could podcastafify it if everyone wanted to. I might pm you about joining or whatever. The skype thing sounds fun
Perfect Cha0s
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This is on at 10PM EST, right?
Unspeakable Evil
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7PM EST
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