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I stopped watching the show right after the end of Wan's adventure so I could see the series at it's highest point. After a few months I come back to a somewhat better second half, but the extended air temple trailer has piqued my interest. It looks like the third season may be off to a better start than the first two. Can't wait for the english streams of the new episodes and for more Bumi hilarity.
 
Well, you could make an argument that Aang spent less than a year conscious during wartime :P

Yeah, but that's the time in which we follow him as an audience, so we see a bunch of fighting. If I looked over his entire life, or that of any avatar's, I would assume they have to do less fighting in peace time, and I assume that most of the time the 4 nations are at peace.

Than again, an argument could be made for the opposite. That the 4 nations have no trouble governing themselves most of the time, but they rely on the avatar when they come into conflict with each other.

I'm wondering if it'd be better for the avatar to serve as a Gandalf figure, having all this power and wisdom, but not taking command into his own hands because he knows it's his job to get other people to work with each other, not with him, except in certain extremes.
 
Well I think that's how Roku did insofar as was explored, right?

Did each nation have the institutional framework to maintain the Avatar when they were born into it? What did the Avatar do before the nation-states were singular powerful entities? Gosh, the pre-history of the ATLA world must be fascinating.
 
Well I think that's how Roku did insofar as was explored, right?

Did each nation have the institutional framework to maintain the Avatar when they were born into it? What did the Avatar do before the nation-states were singular powerful entities? Gosh, the pre-history of the ATLA world must be fascinating.

I'm guessing the 4 nations emerged from when humanity was granted elemental bending. Before then, people were bending energy, according to the lion turtle. Then something happened that solidified their energy manipulation into the elements, which is probably for the best. Everyone having energybending is a horrifying idea to contemplate when you think about what energy bending really is. I wonder how they aggregated to their specific locations in the world though.
 
Nope.

Impairment has to be a constant feature of a person's life. Azula was functioning perfectly fine until several percieved betrayals accumulated on her all at once. That makes it situational. Her self esteem was also defined by others, not herself. Despite her amazing achievements, she did them all for Ozai, remember. She does have a very goal oriented mind however.

For the second definition, impairment has already been covered for why it's not applicable, as well as Empathy. She does have trouble with intimacy, but she tries in small ways that are not related to power dominance or manipulation. Not just with Zuko or her friends, but that random guy she tried to hook up with. When she tried to get with him, she (awkwardly) offered him a partnership in power, she didn't try to coerce or trick him into it. She obviously has issues thinking of things outside of terms of power, but that is not a sociopathic trait in and of itself.



I won't argue that she isn't completely normal. As a child, she was into dark stuff, but really, that's about the extent of it, and that could have been because she was trying to emulate her father while still being innocent of concepts like death.

I'd agree with you if we hadn't seen her actions as a teenager.

Didn´t she become extremely paranoid when her father "left her"?
 
Didn´t she become extremely paranoid when her father "left her"?

Yup. Which is what proves she doesn't fulfill the first catergory. Impairment is a term for when a disorder interferes with a person's ability to function on a constant basis. By requiring a condition for which her life is impaired, that makes it situational, so it doesn't apply.
 
I haven't, don't care to. Reliable sources have informed me it suffers from the same narrative degeneration that LoK does. I don't know the specifics, but I don't need to. I'll be happy with the show and a few choice fanfics that also understand how to do the series justice.

Wow.

I missed Neogaf. Entire pages of psychoanalyzing Avatar characters.

And by the way, The Promise, The Search and—the ongoing—The Rift, do indeed dig much deeper into each character, especially Azula.

Basically, The Search expands upon Azula's trauma of believing she was not loved by Ursa, and that's basically all there is to her, along with her innate insanity.
 
I can't help but feel that I'd like the comics a lot better if they were animated. Whoever is laying them out is not great at flow. But the dialogue, art and plot is all pretty decent, I just can't get into them like I could basically all of ATLA.
 
I can't help but feel that I'd like the comics a lot better if they were animated. Whoever is laying them out is not great at flow. But the dialogue, art and plot is all pretty decent, I just can't get into them like I could basically all of ATLA.

There was some guy on YouTube who uploaded them and put music from TLA in the background as he panned from scene to scene. A bit illegal, but well done :P
 

This seems like it was meant in sarcasm, and if it wasn't, I apologize for assuming the worst, but I really wish the assumption that all fanfiction is shit would stop. I can almost guarentee that given any popular franchise, someone out there sat down and did the series better than the original author. It's a pure numbers game. Given how large some fanbases get, it's inevitable that a few of the members of the series will be more talented than the writers of the franchise they are fans of or as talented.

So yeah, I can tell you with certainty that there is plenty of avatar fanfiction that does the series more justice than anything the actual creators have done post TLA.
 
<3 Thank you for this.

I feel so much better now.

It's nice to hear that from your description of the leaks....

Team Avatar is dating outside their circle.
Is it a new character or someone we already know?
I'm starving for some decent relationships in this series and having Team Avatar not being burdened with romance bs is a start.

It's
a new character,
and
their attraction instantly makes sense and doesn't feel forced. And that's about it so far with romance, and even so it's tame. Both of the characters involved in it have their own storyline in the season and their relationship so far seems one that could or could't last, but is believable.

There's another possible relationship,
also believable, but only slightly hinted and, again, it's not what these characters were created for (and it's actually reminiscent of ATLA a bit, at least to me).

Both these relationships I'm talking about each
have one established character and a new one for Book 3.
 
Haven't seen it but my guess is
It's like in the original show where they'd show up in town and they' d meet a random character that they'd have interest in before leaving the town.

hmmmm. No :p

As I said, yes, the relationship involves
a new character, but this new character is important by itself and even related to another one. So it possibly could be a longer lasting relationship.
 
Damn, 3 episodes from the get go. I wanna say I'm happy since this obviously benefits me, but I hope they don't blow through the season like last time :(
 
Damn, 3 episodes from the get go. I wanna say I'm happy since this obviously benefits me, but I hope they don't blow through the season like last time :(

Even if Nick does burn through Book 3 like Book 2 we're guaranteed Book 4 no matter what as they're already started production on the final Book 4 episodes
 
Lol at the Azula defence force, come on, that bitch was most definitely certifiable, hell even Iroh the most chill and forgiving dude said she was crazy and had to be taken down.

When her own brother was being tortured and scared for life, she had the fattest grin on her face.

oh and he whole she apologized at one point in the show shoes empathy thing is BS, she had proven time and time again to be a prolific liar, so prolific as to be able to fool Toph the world' s equivalent to a liar detector.

Azula was an awesome character, fierce, deadly and canaiving to the core to the point even those she was closest to feared her. Its why a lot of people enjoyed the show, she was fun to hate.

She is a Sociopath, despite having an iffy childhood with a dick-head for a father who did very little to ingrain a moral compass in her.
 
I haven't, don't care to. Reliable sources have informed me it suffers from the same narrative degeneration that LoK does. I don't know the specifics, but I don't need to. I'll be happy with the show and a few choice fanfics that also understand how to do the series justice.

:/ Ok.

Pretty much agree with this. Much of Azula's personality was based on how she looked up to Ozai (and what Ozai expected of people). Her cruelty to Zuko was because she saw him as weak (through the lens of her father). I guess we could get into the argument of whether she had deeper psychological issues (ie. she's a sociopath etc.)...but not like we really have a lot to go off of. Really, it's all just analysis and assumption. Which is fine. Apart of the fun of watching a show is analyzing the characters.

But I still believe that Azula early on was influenced heavily by her father. I don't really see her as this child born evil. I think we can all agree she was an awesome character regardless of which side you fall in (with regards to her psychology/behaviors).

Yep. I had a family member that was in an abusive marriage. The children would join the father in verbally abusing the mother. The dad physically burned one of them to "teach" them not to go near the stove. One would scream/yell loudly in their sleep and the other would sleep-walk. When they played with other kids, they'd hit hard enough to leave bruises. This wasn't because they wanted to hurt their friends but as a warped show of affection. It was messed up.

A:TLA (whether intentional or not) did an accurate job (IMO) of portraying what it was like to live with an abusive parent and how that might affect someone's personality. I think the fact that Ozai hated Zuko was a mixed blessing as it allowed him to form positive, intimate relationships with his uncle and mother whereas Azula never got that chance due to getting most of Ozai's attention.
 
That being said and this is purely my gut feeling, had Zuko and Azula been roughly equal in talent, I'm almost positive that Azula would've been ignored for obvious reasons.
 
Fire Nation was pretty good about having female warriors, but they were almost all home guards I think. Aside from Azula's Merry Female Assassin Kung-Fu Squad, of course. Conversely I barely recall any female Earthbenders around besides Toph, and the Water Tribe (well, the north tribe anyway) was sexist as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
 
So excited for tonight guys, genuinely. :)

Do we know if there'll be a way to watch this online in HD when it airs?
I only get standard def cable :(

Nick.com will put up the episodes in semi HD after they air. Other then that, I guess there will be streams of the east coast feed? Sadly I have to watch via stream so I can keep up with this thread and other friends on skype who are east coast. So my first time seeing this will be shit quality. I'll watch later in HD via DVR.
 
I wonder if we'll feel the same after the finale.

Probably not. I've come to accept the writers just don't give a fuck. They like to write action/scenes but don't care if they make sense, and they don't care about there being any consequences or long lasting effects after the self contained plot is over.

So I'm 100% expecting that even if this season ends up being good, the finale will be a convoluted and incoherent mess (hell in the audio commentary for Book 2 they pretty much said the Book 3 finale suffers the same problems as the Book 2 finale ).
 
I guess I'm glad that they're willing to take universe-changing risks with the show (even if they don't execute them that well), with the whole spirit portal / changes to bending plot they've got going. It's a nice change from shows like Adventure Time where every big change gets reverted three episodes later.

I can't imagine Nick letting them do a third series after this with how they've handled Korra's schedule, so I wonder if they'll really end the show in some sort of cataclysmic, ridiculous way with Book 4.

Also interested to see to what degree this season will be a continuation of Book 2 dealing with the finale's fallout, or whether that'll be brushed under the rug after the first few episodes to focus on some new self-contained threat.
 
Looking forward to seeing Legend of Korra on TV again
The hype is getting to me
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I guess I'm glad that they're willing to take universe-changing risks with the show (even if they don't execute them that well), with the whole spirit portal / changes to bending plot they've got going. It's a nice change from shows like Adventure Time where every big change gets reverted three episodes later.

I can't imagine Nick letting them do a third series after this with how they've handled Korra's schedule, so I wonder if they'll really end the show in some sort of cataclysmic, ridiculous way with Book 4.

Also interested to see to what degree this season will be a continuation of Book 2 dealing with the finale's fallout, or whether that'll be brushed under the rug after the first few episodes to focus on some new self-contained threat.

I wonder if THEY would want to work with Nick again. They of course always put on a smile and talk about how great Nick is (they have to). And to some degree, I believe there is some truth to it. But everything I've read makes it sound like working with them hasn't been all that great (Nick initially rejecting Korra since she was a female protagnis. Deadlines/intense scheduling. And of course, all the other bullshit we've come to expect with how Nick has handled the show).
 
I wonder if THEY would want to work with Nick again. They of course always put on a smile and talk about how great Nick is (they have to). And to some degree, I believe there is some truth to it. But everything I've read makes it sound like working with them hasn't been all that great (Nick initially rejecting Korra since she was a female protagnis. Deadlines/intense scheduling. And of course, all the other bullshit we've come to expect with how Nick has handled the show).

Where else would they go apart from Nick as Cartoon Network and Disney are equally just as bad in their care of their shows at times(RIP Tron Uprising and Young Justice) putting them on at absurd times

Maybe Netflix could be a avenue for a potential new show from them
Just not that many channels in the US doing western animated action orientated shows at the moment
 
I'm majoring in psychology and getting my bachelors next year, so I like to think I'm atleast somewhat educated on the subject.

And while people with ASD can obviously be horrifying, like any other mental disorder, there are degrees to which a person has it. I know of a sociopath that understood that he was a sociopath, that people had feelings he cannot percieve, and did his best to navigate through life as an ethical, if not moral, human being. Several sociopaths lead perfectly normal lives because, mathematically, they don't see a reason why they should cause chaos and ruin the ease of their lives they have now, even if they may feel an impulse to do criminal activities.
1. I thought it was pretty explicitly talking about untreated ASM. Even still, medically the only thing you deal with is the aggression. Group therapy is very effective though. *Source: girlfriend is in Medicine.

2. Some can but a huge percentage of that population is within prisons, which, strangely, provides the right type of structure for that type of person. Perhaps the only group that benefited from Reagan shutting down public mental health systems.
 
I wonder if THEY would want to work with Nick again. They of course always put on a smile and talk about how great Nick is (they have to). And to some degree, I believe there is some truth to it. But everything I've read makes it sound like working with them hasn't been all that great (Nick initially rejecting Korra since she was a female protagnis. Deadlines/intense scheduling. And of course, all the other bullshit we've come to expect with how Nick has handled the show).

After how Nick/Paramount handled the live-action film, I wouldn't be surprised if the relationship between Nick and the creators has been less than great.
 
Where else would they go apart from Nick as Cartoon Network and Disney are equally just as bad in their care of their shows at times(RIP Tron Uprising and Young Justice) putting them on at absurd times

Maybe Netflix could be a avenue for a potential new show from them
Just not that many channels in the US doing western animated action orientated shows at the moment

Yeah that's very true. A lot of networks aren't so hot. I mean I think other networks would want them. But they couldn't do more Avatar stuff as Nick owns it I think? Although I bet they would want to do something else anyways.

I guess when you are in this industry, you take what you can get. So while Nick might not be the best, it's a guaranteed job. I just wonder how they really feel about Nick as they have been in a contract with them for Book 1-4. They pretty much sign their lives away for 5 years. It will be interesting to see what they do once Book 4 is finished.

Will they stay? Or will they jump at another opportunity.
 
Its pretty disappointing to hear that the writers are ok with the confusing clusterfuck that was the S2 finale. Awesome visually, but totally awful every other sense.
 
1. I thought it was pretty explicitly talking about untreated ASM. Even still, medically the only thing you deal with is the aggression. Group therapy is very effective though. *Source: girlfriend is in Medicine.

2. Some can but a huge percentage of that population is within prisons, which, strangely, provides the right type of structure for that type of person. Perhaps the only group that benefited from Reagan shutting down public mental health systems.
The problem with ASD is that very few people come in for treatment of it unless it's so bad that they're already in criminal activities. We have good records of them in prison, but that's mostly because prisoners are very enthusiastic about taking personality tests because they don't have much else to do there. Psychologists theorize that sociopaths flourish greatly in competitive environments like in business, finances, or law and use those as outlets for whatever aggressive urges they have. But you try to convince any millionaire business tycoon to come in to have an extensive study done to see if they have one of the worlds most feared mental disorders. If ASD was less feared and misunderstood as the traits of being a monster, then it maybe we'd have more people coming in willing to participate in research, but as it stands, the only group willing to do extended studies is prisoners, and most tests are designed for prisoners instead of the average citizen.

So as actual treatment goes, that's also another bag of cats. You have to deal with more than aggression though. Sociopaths can hurt you physically, but they can lie and trick you too. For example, I read one account from a girl who, when she was younger, played on the insecurities of another girl, knowing she liked this one boy, who tried to remain chaste because he was religious. She kept encouraging her, knowing the boy liked her instead. One night, she got the religious boy to admit in front of her that he didn't like the girl and found the sociopath more attractive and went back on his religious beliefs to be with the sociopath. The sociopath dumped him the very next day, proud of her accomplishment to play both parties. But you wouldn't think this is sociopathic behavior just from an outside perspective. How do you distinguish this from teens being teens?

Plus there is the question for treatment at all. Obviously if the sociopath is causing a far amount of damage with aggression or deceit, then treatment is needed, but there are ones that are fully functional within society. Hell, it's because they are functional that they are so difficult to detect. What do we do about them? While they might be functional, they still might be using white collar crime to make other people's lives miserable, or still performing immoral acts taht nonetheless do not warrant any grounds for arrest or detainment.

More research is needed to be done to really say anything about ASD in the general population, but to do that, it needs to stop being vilified so much and just treated as what it is: a disorder. Then we might be able to come up with a better way of treating people with it.
 
I hope they get this series back on track. Last season was like soul crushing, and I didn't even dislike the first season.
 
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