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LGBThread |OT4| We're (still) Here! We're (still) Queer!

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Vazduh

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Vitanimus said:
Sigh I have one of those friends who is all "if you have gay pride why isn't there a STRAIGHT PRIDE"

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Just tell that friend one simple sentence: "Straight pride is every day". Period.
 
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Grizzo

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El_Gato said:
I do know quite a few but I lost contact to those people around a year ago when I lost my SIM card. So I'm in the same boat as you. Still, you could just attend to one of these events by yourself and meet new people there.


Ah, that's okay.
Maybe I can find some pictures on Google, since it was in Paris and was probably a pretty big thing.
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Here's a link about it. It was not really a party though. It looked more like a demonstration. People were holding angry signs and banners to protest for our right to get help from surrogate mothers (it's illegal in France).

Although there still were floats and music.

Achtius said:
but that's fujifilm.

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I know that's a Fuji, I have the Instax and Instax Mini. I love them because those films are more common, but a special store which produces new Polaroïd films opened a few months ago and that's where I find films for my Spectra and my 600.
 
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Achtius

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Grizzo said:
I know that's a Fuji, I have the Instax and Instax Mini. I love them because those films are more common, but a special store which produces new Polaroïd films opened a few months ago and that's where I find films for my Spectra and my 600.
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Polaroid is pretty cool but the film crazy expensive. I wonder if there is any printer that let you print pictures that resemble polaroid film.
 
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Kater

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Grizzo said:
Here's a link about it. It was not really a party though. It looked more like a demonstration. People were holding angry signs and banners to protest for our right to get help from surrogate mothers (it's illegal in France).

Although there still were floats and music.



I know that's a Fuji, I have the Instax and Instax Mini. I love them because those films are more common, but a special store which produces new Polaroïd films opened a few months ago and that's where I find films for my Spectra and my 600.
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Thanks for the link!

Not even a half minute into the video and already a guy in a Pikachu costume, heh.

Don't you have political parties that work for more rights for LGBT people? We have the left-wing eco party(Grüne), some liberal party (Neos) and even the major two more conservative parties(SPÖ & ÖVP) support LGBT right (in some instances, there are exceptions) here in Austria.

Fake Edit: Damn it, it's banned here as well?

Countries where all kinds of surrogacy are banned by law:

Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Estonia, Moldova, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China, Japan, Canada (Quebec), United States (Arizona, Michigan, Indiana, North Dakota)
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Source: http://www.surrogatebaby.com/blog/2012/11/27/surrogacy-laws-by-country/

Ugh, oh my.
 
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Vitanimus

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CornBurrito said:
Is anything legally stopping straight people from hosting a straight pride event?
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Eh, I don't think so, I just think there would be a social backlash. It would be viewed in a "people having something they don't" or when a child cries when another child is playing with their toys they aren't even using. If heterosexual were genuinely invested in pride of their sexuality, they would throw a parade and celebrate it, but they don't and probably never will and it's only ever used by an extreme minority of people in an attempt to argue "forced inequality".
 
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balladofthewindfish

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One of my closest friends is passionately against the legalization of same-sex marriage - it came as a surprise to many of us, but we were more intrigued than shocked because he is much smarter than any of us and is a rigorous intellectual. We approached him about it, and he explained to us his view, which was articulate. We concluded, based on how much we understood, that he was reasonably following the logic of his philosophical views, so our differences were paradigmatic. We could not talk about the issue of same-sex marriage itself without begging the question with respect to these paradigmatic differences - in other words, I could not propose arguments and counterarguments to him without presuming my paradigm and he could not do the same. So the discussion is now turning to those fundamental differences.

Some of us have cut off relations with him, but I refuse to do so. What do you guys think?
 
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Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Damon Bennet said:
Wat
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I went in too hard on the insular memery there, let me explain.

1) True Detective -> True Dick (Dick used to be common slang for a detective)

2) Your BF is hot

3) The shot looks like something out of True Detective, possibly even a promotional pic for True Detective S2

There we go.
 
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RM8

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balladofthewindfish said:
One of my closest friends is passionately against the legalization of same-sex marriage - it came as a surprise to many of us, but we were more intrigued than shocked because he is much smarter than any of us and is a rigorous intellectual. We approached him about it, and he explained to us his view, which was articulate. We concluded, based on how much we understood, that he was reasonably following the logic of his philosophical views, so our differences were paradigmatic. We could not talk about the issue of same-sex marriage itself without begging the question with respect to these paradigmatic differences - in other words, I could not propose arguments and counterarguments to him without presuming my paradigm and he could not do the same. So the discussion is now turning to those fundamental differences.

Some of us have cut off relations with him, but I refuse to do so. What do you guys think?
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I remember that thread where you first posted this, yet didn't provide one of these supposedly reasonable arguments.
 
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Bel Marduk

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balladofthewindfish said:
One of my closest friends is passionately against the legalization of same-sex marriage - it came as a surprise to many of us, but we were more intrigued than shocked because he is much smarter than any of us and is a rigorous intellectual. We approached him about it, and he explained to us his view, which was articulate. We concluded, based on how much we understood, that he was reasonably following the logic of his philosophical views, so our differences were paradigmatic. We could not talk about the issue of same-sex marriage itself without begging the question with respect to these paradigmatic differences - in other words, I could not propose arguments and counterarguments to him without presuming my paradigm and he could not do the same. So the discussion is now turning to those fundamental differences.

Some of us have cut off relations with him, but I refuse to do so. What do you guys think?
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Are you gay? If so, why do you think that its ok for someone to believe that you aren't entitled to basic human rights? Cut relations. All of them. Why would you want to be friends with someone like that?
 
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TheAbsolution

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balladofthewindfish said:
One of my closest friends is passionately against the legalization of same-sex marriage - it came as a surprise to many of us, but we were more intrigued than shocked because he is much smarter than any of us and is a rigorous intellectual. We approached him about it, and he explained to us his view, which was articulate. We concluded, based on how much we understood, that he was reasonably following the logic of his philosophical views, so our differences were paradigmatic. We could not talk about the issue of same-sex marriage itself without begging the question with respect to these paradigmatic differences - in other words, I could not propose arguments and counterarguments to him without presuming my paradigm and he could not do the same. So the discussion is now turning to those fundamental differences.

Some of us have cut off relations with him, but I refuse to do so. What do you guys think?
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I would cut relations. Immediately. I wouldn't be able to be friends with anyone who is so diametrically opposed to equal rights for everyone. Especially me.
 
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Cosmic Bus

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I notice every year at pride that the ones wearing the least clothing are often the ones that should've thought twice about doing it. ;)

Here's the bf yesterday standing next to a giant penis. He was really intent on getting this pic taken, so we had to follow the penis around for a while before he was free, hah.

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balladofthewindfish

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Rm88~ said:
I remember that thread where you first posted this, yet didn't provide one of these supposedly reasonable arguments.
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I talked to him on Friday, a couple of days after I posted in that thread, Yes, I did not mention any specific arguments, but that was besides my point. My point was that there are venerable philosophical traditions, themselves defensible, which have such arguments. And that means that reasonable people can principally disagree on the issue. Since not everyone on this forum is particularly literate in the lexicon of logic and philosophical thought, I understand the confusion about what it means for an argument to be "reasonable," but it is really not all that controversial or difficult to grasp. I think reasonable people can disagree on materialism vs. idealism since both materialists and idealists can defend arguments with premises that can be justified.
 
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Yado

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balladofthewindfish said:
One of my closest friends is passionately against the legalization of same-sex marriage - it came as a surprise to many of us, but we were more intrigued than shocked because he is much smarter than any of us and is a rigorous intellectual. We approached him about it, and he explained to us his view, which was articulate. We concluded, based on how much we understood, that he was reasonably following the logic of his philosophical views, so our differences were paradigmatic. We could not talk about the issue of same-sex marriage itself without begging the question with respect to these paradigmatic differences - in other words, I could not propose arguments and counterarguments to him without presuming my paradigm and he could not do the same. So the discussion is now turning to those fundamental differences.

Some of us have cut off relations with him, but I refuse to do so. What do you guys think?
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I suppose it depends on how long you guys have been friends, how important gay marriage is to you personally and what his reasons are for not supporting gay marriage. I can't imagine any good reasons for not supporting gay marriage other than having an issue with gay people.
I can understand someone who doesn't rank gay marriage very highly in terms of changes they would like to see made in the world, but I couldn't be friends with someone who doesn't want to see it happen at all.
 
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RM8

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balladofthewindfish said:
I talked to him on Friday, a couple of days after I posted in that thread, Yes, I did not mention any specific arguments, but that was besides my point. My point was that there are venerable philosophical traditions, themselves defensible, which have such arguments. And that means that reasonable people can principally disagree on the issue. Since not everyone on this forum is particularly literate in the lexicon of logic and philosophical thought, I understand the confusion about what it means for an argument to be "reasonable," but it is really not all that controversial or difficult to grasp. I think reasonable people can disagree on materialism vs. idealism since both materialists and idealists can defend argument with premises that can be justified.
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Not discussing actual arguments is beyond pointless in my opinion, I don't really know what point you're trying to make. Are smart, otherwise reasonable people sometimes wrong? Absolutely. This is why appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.
 
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balladofthewindfish

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Thank you for the responses. I am considering all of them as I meet with him tonight. I think we will continue to be friends who reasonably differ, perhaps settling the disagreement in the future.
 
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Vitanimus

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balladofthewindfish said:
I talked to him on Friday, a couple of days after I posted in that thread, Yes, I did not mention any specific arguments, but that was besides my point. My point was that there are venerable philosophical traditions, themselves defensible, which have such arguments. And that means that reasonable people can principally disagree on the issue. Since not everyone on this forum is particularly literate in the lexicon of logic and philosophical thought, I understand the confusion about what it means for an argument to be "reasonable," but it is really not all that controversial or difficult to grasp. I think reasonable people can disagree on materialism vs. idealism since both materialists and idealists can defend arguments with premises that can be justified.
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You should post these arguments and let people decide themselves if they're literate enough to digest it.
 
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ngower

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Sooo....I just got caught masturbating by a random stranger...

Long story short, my housemate rents her room out on airbnb (I hate it, but let's not go there!) and lives with her boyfriend. So, there's always random people staying at my house.

Normally when I make a deposit to the spank bank I lock my door, but for whatever reason I didn't and SURE ENOUGH this girl (maybe late teens?) walks in despite several loud "WHOA WHOA WHOA"s from my end.

So, the only image this one person has of me is sprawled on my bed, dick-in-hand, loudly trying to halt their entrance. I'm okay with that.

This is the first time in all my glorious 25 years. Any embarrassing/awkward masturbating stories from y'all?
 
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balladofthewindfish

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Vitanimus said:
You should post these arguments and let people decide themselves if they're literate enough to digest it.
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The most I can do is suggest reading material. Since I am not (as of yet, anyway) a philosophical realist like my friend, I would be a poor expositor of any argument that presumes it. If you like such reading suggestions, you can PM me.
 
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RM8

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I'm just going to say that the secrecy and vagueness of those arguments doesn't really scream "this is reasonable and true". Truth and reason are often simple, visible and logical, and you don't need to praise anyone's intellect for them to be valuable.
 
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umop_3pisdn

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Materialism vs idealism doesn't really have an ethical character, I can consider myself a panpsychist as a kind of fancy and not worry about how it affects others. It seems dangerous or glib to argue ethics in the same way you would ontology.
 
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Vitanimus

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balladofthewindfish said:
The most I can do is suggest reading material. Since I am not (as of yet, anyway) a philosophical realist like my friend, I would be a poor expositor of any argument that presumes it. If you like such reading suggestions, you can PM me.
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No no, I just don't get why you can't argue a pro argument for same-sex marriage without divulging into philosophical tendencies that you seem adamant to not expand upon. I don't mean to come across as condescending, it's just that your previous post sounded like you had already decided that some people wouldn't be intelligent enough to even understand why you didn't explain your argument. Unless I'm misinterpreting this, then I apologize.
 
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RM8

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Vitanimus said:
No no, I just don't get why you can't argue a pro argument for same-sex marriage without divulging into philosophical tendencies that you seem adamant to not expand upon. I don't mean to come across as condescending, it's just that your previous post sounded like you had already decided that some people wouldn't be intelligent enough to even understand why you didn't explain your argument. Unless I'm misinterpreting this, then I apologize.
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He's really not going to bring any argument. I don't mean to be rude, but he wants people to admit "well, gay marriage is wrong because an apparently smart college kid believes it is - no need to involve actual arguments".
 
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balladofthewindfish

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Rm88~ said:
He's really not going to bring any argument. I don't mean to be rude, but he wants people to admit "well, gay marriage is wrong because an apparently smart college kid believes it is - no need to involve actual arguments".
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Nope, not even close. I have been clear about my thoughts and motivations, so I am baffled.

I will let this thread continue its course. Thank you for the responses.
 
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Yado

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balladofthewindfish said:
Nope, not even close. I have been clear about my thoughts and motivations, so I am baffled.

I will let this thread continue its course. Thank you for the responses.
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Except you haven't?
Your post basically boiled down to "my friend doesn't support gay marriage and I disagree, what do you guys think?" You haven't actually said why your friend feels this way or why you think his points are valid.
 
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SoraanTribal

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ngower said:
Sooo....I just got caught masturbating by a random stranger...

Long story short, my housemate rents her room out on airbnb (I hate it, but let's not go there!) and lives with her boyfriend. So, there's always random people staying at my house.

Normally when I make a deposit to the spank bank I lock my door, but for whatever reason I didn't and SURE ENOUGH this girl (maybe late teens?) walks in despite several loud "WHOA WHOA WHOA"s from my end.

So, the only image this one person has of me is sprawled on my bed, dick-in-hand, loudly trying to halt their entrance. I'm okay with that.

This is the first time in all my glorious 25 years. Any embarrassing/awkward masturbating stories from y'all?
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lol, not quite as awkward as yours.

I was around 16, I guess, and got really horny one night, so I was on my computer looking at porn. It was pretty late, so I didn't lock the door (I assumed I would hear anyone coming from a ways off anyways). I was sitting there jerkin' it and was basically done when I heard footsteps right outside my door. I had enough time to alt+tab quickly and hit the mute button on the keyboard as my mom opened the door. My back was facing to her, so I had time to adjust my boxers up. Unfortunately, she came in at... the most inopportune moment. Suffice to say, I had to change underwear after she left. :p

Worst climax ever.
 
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balladofthewindfish

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Rm88~ said:
Sadly it's impossible to arrive at any other conclusion if you don't provide anything more.
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This is silly. I have already said that I would be a poor expositor of the arguments he defended since they rely on a fundamentally different philosophical paradigm than my own, and the specific arguments themselves are incidental to my dilemma. I only wanted to know if anyone here would continue being close friends with anyone who opposed same-sex marriage. For crying out loud!
 
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Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I would not trust anyone who describes themselves or others as intellectuals.
 
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RM8

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Well apparently you have failed to communicate properly on two threads now. Maybe you should change your strategy? You can't blame us for perceive your position in that light.
 
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Yado

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balladofthewindfish said:
This is silly. I have already said that I would be a poor expositor of the arguments he defended since they rely on a fundamentally different philosophical paradigm than my own, and the specific arguments themselves are incidental to my dilemma. I only wanted to know if anyone here would continue being close friends with anyone who opposed same-sex marriage. For crying out loud!
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All you have to do is repeat his arguments as they were presented to you. You don't have to try to use them to convince us.
 
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Vitanimus

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balladofthewindfish said:
This is silly. I have already said that I would be a poor expositor of the arguments he defended since they rely on a fundamentally different philosophical paradigm than my own, and the specific arguments themselves are incidental to my dilemma. I only wanted to know if anyone here would continue being close friends with anyone who opposed same-sex marriage. For crying out loud!
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I think the fact that you're not even attempting to forward these arguments because "not everyone on this forum is particularly literate in the lexicon of logic and philosophical thought" is pretty poor.

But to answer your initial point, I would definitely cut ties with someone if they held such low views about same-sex marriage.
 
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