Linus tech tips is disappointed that the steam machine won't be priced like a console.

Topher said:
I get your point here, but the PC that you originally commented on had an AIO. Are you saying the fans on the radiator are not needed as well?

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Topher I would argue that water cooling is just an aesthetic showcase and offers no meaningful performance uplift on a setup running at stock speeds vs air. Would love to be disproven and shown otherwise. Im checking out youtube videos right now looking for fps benchmarks. Ive debated this with my good friend whose all into custom PC design that at least liquid should be quieter but he tells me some pumps can be really loud:

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Mister Wolf said:

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This video and picture from it is an example of what im talking about. Top fans on the computer that are basically doing nothing. Its just window dressing. Aesthetics. That was my original point. Even with all these videos on the subject have you noticed none of them do any gaming performance benchmarks of how much having all of these additional fans running attached to the case actually help.
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I think that gaming jesus has a video on the subject, but that may have been done 10 years ago or so!
Edit: Found it!
 
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Mister Wolf said:
Topher I would argue that water cooling is just an aesthetic showcase and offers no meaningful performance uplift on a setup running at stock speeds vs air. Would love to be disproven and shown otherwise. Im checking out youtube videos right now looking for fps benchmarks.
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Overheating can be a problem and it can endanger your components as well as their longevity. That isn't about higher frame rates. I didn't invest in an AIO because I thought I would get better performance.

So with that in mind, this is necessarily about aesthetics. As I said, none of the lights save one on my PC are off and that one is on simply as an on/off indicator. The entire point here is to keep the components cool.

This also will come into play when people want to overclock their CPU or GPU. That can cause higher temps as well from what I understand. I don't overclock myself, but that makes sense to me.
 
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Felessan said:
Brainwashed... lol. It's really a loser argument

I play gaas for 30 years (from when nobody called them gaas) and I do applaud rise of social interactivity in gaming. It expand audience and attract normal people, and as for asocial nerds... They will continue to cry about "casuals" invading their turf (even though gaas often much more hardcore than their puny SP games) but that's life.
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What GaaS were you playing 30 years ago? I've very curious what you'll claim as examples as nothing back in 1995 was anywhere similar to what GaaS are today.
 
Topher said:
I mean.....it sounds like your are arguing that running your computer at higher temperatures isn't a problem whatsoever. That's a bit weird bro. Overheating can be an issue and it can endanger your components as well as their longevity. That isn't about higher frame rates. I didn't invest in an AIO because I thought I would get better performance.

So with that in mind, this is necessarily about aesthetics. As I said, none of the lights save one on my PC are off and that one is on simply as an on/off indicator. The entire point here is to keep the components cool.

This also will come into play when people want to overclock their CPU or GPU. That can cause higher temps as well from what I understand. I don't overclock myself, but that makes sense to me.
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These GPUs and CPUs have built in protections to deactivate once they are above their heat threshold. Consistently running at 2 degress below their threshold vs running at 4 degrees below their threshold has little bearing in the longevity of their functioning.
 
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Mister Wolf said:
These GPUs and CPUs have built in protections to deactivate once they are above their heat threshold. Consistently running at 2 degress below their threshold vs running at 4 degrees below their threshold has little bearing in the longevity of their functioning.
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The danger of higher temps is degradation of components over a long period of time. Hell, even with normal use of electronics there is some degradation. I certainly wouldn't buy a used GPU knowing it had been pegged out for years mining bitcoin, would you? Either way, the point is that the cooling solutions people put into place are not just for a light show. Now....I'll admit some folks do overkill with that stuff, but I think for most that isn't the primary goal.
 
SScorpio said:
What GaaS were you playing 30 years ago? I've very curious what you'll claim as examples as nothing back in 1995 was anywhere similar to what GaaS are today.
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MUDs, UO (I actually started playing them in 97, so it's a bit less than 30 years)
MUDs became MMO and MMO split into multiple genres of gaas as we know them now.

A lot of new is actually long forgotten old. Like extraction genre is copypasted from full loot PvP MUDs.
 
The_Mike said:
And that is the difference between a traditional console and a steam machine.

One is a wallet garden, the other is not.
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Most people would use it as a SteamOS console instead of as a PC (if priced right and it reaches the masses)

I'm thinking on buying it to use as a console in my living room. I wouldnt bother to stick M+K in it, I would just use it to play Steam games (them being verified for the device is also a plus)
 
Hugare said:
Most people would use it as a SteamOS console instead of as a PC (if priced right and it reaches the masses)

I'm thinking on buying it to use as a console in my living room. I wouldnt bother to stick M+K in it, I would just use it to play Steam games (them being verified for the device is also a plus)
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While I know people, and maybe also you, don't care about online gaming, it's still worth noticing that alot of games doesn't work on steam os because of linux.

Browsing games on my steam deck, I still see alot of games that aren't capable of running on Linux
 
Topher said:
The danger of higher temps is degradation of components over a long period of time. Hell, even with normal use of electronics there is some degradation. I certainly wouldn't buy a used GPU knowing it had been pegged out for years mining bitcoin, would you? Either way, the point is that the cooling solutions people put into place are not just for a light show. Now....I'll admit some folks do overkill with that stuff, but I think for most that isn't the primary goal.
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Most miners actually underclocked to maximize performance per watt. The issue is the big mining farms were into non-climate controlled warehouses, so rusting can be a major issue.
 
SScorpio said:
Most miners actually underclocked to maximize performance per watt. The issue is the big mining farms were into non-climate controlled warehouses, so rusting can be a major issue.
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That and I would be concerned about the GPU fan's bearings going bad due to nonstop usage. Like electrical conductors, as long at the electronic conductors within the GPU are not exceeding their temperature rating I wouldn't be concerned with them.
 
damidu said:
awesome stuff as selling sub-PS5 performing box at "pc pricing" in 2026?
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Dont buy it, if you dont need it. 🤷‍♂️ I dont need the box as well (maybe just as an oversized upgrade for my raspberry pi). For others its maybe more interesting.
I also like the controller. I am currently looking for a new one. My old 360pad is slowly showing signs of malfunctioning. And also the VR headset is some interesting kind of tech...able to run steam games on an ARM chip.
 
Is the Xbox Play Anywhere program going to be on Steam Box? I mean am I going to have to go and re-buy all the games I bought on Xbox so I can play them on Steam Box? Cause I've got quite the library now on Xbox.

So Steam Box is a PC right? So this means any PC game that ever came out I can still play years if not decades later right? The original Starcraft came out in what 1998? You can still play the original Starcraft on a modern PC just fine right? They talk about preserving video games for future generations, I mean you should be able to play PC games a 100 years later on any PC right? Cause I can't just take a disc of Halo 1 that came out in 2001 and pop it in to my Xbox One and expect it to work.

But I could literally take the disc of Starcraft that came out in the late 90s, so a disc that is 27 years old now, and pop it into a modern PC and it will work just fine, right? The modern PC would recognize the old PC disc and play it just fine right?

This is what excites me about Steam Box, being able to play old games that I would've played on console and now being able to play them on essentially a PC but on max settings this time around.

Is Xbox Game Pass gonna be on Steam Box?

As an aside, gosh fucking Microsoft. They come into the 7th generation of gaming consoles having beaten Sony. Microsoft took half of the gaming market share from Sony (in the USA) and all they had to do was just keep that momentum going coming into the 8th generation of video game consoles but nope, they give us that stupid gimmick Xbox Kinect and then charge us more money for a weaker console. Xbox One was weaker than PS4 but cost more money. Dumbasses. What an epic failure. They had beaten Sony and taken half the market in the USA, all they had to do was keep that momentum going.

As they say. GO WOKE GO BROKE!!!!!
 
In my opinion Microsoft let the woke mind virus infect them and then they made tactical errors which cost them the console war, because they went woke and started making woke decisions.

And Microsoft absolutely let the woke mind virus infect them, a few years ago Microsoft had their employees stating their race and pronouns and they did land acknowledgement, watch the first couple minutes of this, it's crazy you'll see them state their race
 
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