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[Mibu no ookami]

Lol it's typical DF.

" If you zoom in x16 you can see the grass shimmering just a bit more". Their content has really steadily declined in recent years.

Just seems overtly negative and cherry picks things rather than looking at the bigger picture

I saw an immediate difference with how crisp Astro looked after the patch, I didn’t notice any of the temporal issues he relentlessly nags on about

I swear on my life that I didn't see your posts until after I posted. I really appreciate that I'm not the only one seeing this.

I'd love to see them tack towards reasonability. Stop with the zoom and enhance bs and I hope Sony continues to focus on things that impact actual gameplay and feel rather than cater to appease these guys.

I've never once put my controller down and walked up to my tv with a microscope to see whats going on in the background of a video game. Digital Foundry just doesn't seem like a real resource for gamers, but rather PC fanboys with wet dreams about a 5090.

It's become so clear how biased they are in favor of PC even when PC constantly disappoints or the things they'll ignore specifically for Microsoft that they would hound Sony for. The level lof bias is getting out of control I think, but again beyond the bias, the out of scope analysis is just boring and unuseful.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

here're some comparison shots

The game uses stock TAA pre patch without any temporal upscaling so you see some obvious jagged edges, also typical to TAA the image blurs significantly at motion

On the newly patched PSSR, it's slightly rougher on the edges while in motion, but it maintains the image clarity

TAA vs PSSR while at rest

and in motion


I think these df guys care so much about the temporal stability because they do their analysis up close on pc monitors,

but most of us play on TV in a 'normal' viewing distance so these temporal 'instabilities' are practically invisible

 

[Shaki12345]

Really bizarre how much he criticizes “temporal issues” that are negligible, meanwhile you can see a clear increase in detail

It's their job to notice things and they do. Then they give an opinion. You can also have your opinion.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

I mean what else are they going to talk about? If not it would be a five second video.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

I swear on my life that I didn't see your posts until after I posted. I really appreciate that I'm not the only one seeing this.

I'd love to see them tack towards reasonability. Stop with the zoom and enhance bs and I hope Sony continues to focus on things that impact actual gameplay and feel rather than cater to appease these guys.

I've never once put my controller down and walked up to my tv with a microscope to see whats going on in the background of a video game. Digital Foundry just doesn't seem like a real resource for gamers, but rather PC fanboys with wet dreams about a 5090.

It's become so clear how biased they are in favor of PC even when PC constantly disappoints or the things they'll ignore specifically for Microsoft that they would hound Sony for. The level lof bias is getting out of control I think, but again beyond the bias, the out of scope analysis is just boring and unuseful.

Not sure if they're fanboys themselves, maybe not imo, but they sure do know how to get the views

The consoles had always been at disadvantage when compared to PC, especially in the PS3 and PS4 era,

because those were the times where Moore's law still stood strong,

so within 2~3 years of a console's release, pc users could easily get a rig that are 3~4 times more powerful.

So it was like 720p 30fps on PS3 & XBOX360 vs 1080p 60fps on PC

and 1080 30 on PS4 & XBOX ONE vs 4K 60 on PC

Now comes the era of PS5 and XBOX SERIES X

consoles finally broke free of the shackles of 30fps curse, and the Moore's law is dead.

PC no longer has that clear raw power advantages over consoles, and their last line of defense is the AI empowered MLSS.

Now you see why pc master race are so eager to see PSSR fail?

df is simply providing for their needs

but if you ask me, console games had never looked this good

I had a small party over at my place last night, I showed them wukong running on my PS5 PRO, and their jaws dropped

 

[HeWhoWalks]

but if you ask me, console games had never looked this good

I had a small party over at my place last night, I showed them wukong running on my PS5 PRO, and their jaws dropped

Play Horizon Forbidden West (Burning Shores specifically) on the Pro. It's an even bigger jaw dropper!

 

[Shaki12345]

Not sure if they're fanboys themselves, maybe not imo, but they sure do know how to get the views

The consoles had always been at disadvantage when compared to PC, especially in the PS3 and PS4 era,

because those were the times where Moore's law still stood strong,

so within 2~3 years of a console's release, pc users could easily get a rig that are 3~4 times more powerful.

So it was like 720p 30fps on PS3 & XBOX360 vs 1080p 60fps on PC

and 1080 30 on PS4 & XBOX ONE vs 4K 60 on PC

Now comes the era of PS5 and XBOX SERIES X

consoles finally broke free of the shackles of 30fps curse, and the Moore's law is dead.

PC no longer has that clear raw power advantages over consoles, and their last line of defense is the AI empowered MLSS.

Now you see why pc master race are so eager to see PSSR fail?

df is simply providing for their needs

but if you ask me, console games had never looked this good

I had a small party over at my place last night, I showed them wukong running on my PS5 PRO, and their jaws dropped

Obviously the reaction depends on who you show it to.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Not sure if they're fanboys themselves, maybe not imo, but they sure do know how to get the views

The consoles had always been at disadvantage when compared to PC, especially in the PS3 and PS4 era,

because those were the times where Moore's law still stood strong,

so within 2~3 years of a console's release, pc users could easily get a rig that are 3~4 times more powerful.

So it was like 720p 30fps on PS3 & XBOX360 vs 1080p 60fps on PC

and 1080 30 on PS4 & XBOX ONE vs 4K 60 on PC

Now comes the era of PS5 and XBOX SERIES X

consoles finally broke free of the shackles of 30fps curse, and the Moore's law is dead.

PC no longer has that clear raw power advantages over consoles, and their last line of defense is the AI empowered MLSS.

Now you see why pc master race are so eager to see PSSR fail?

df is simply providing for their needs


but if you ask me, console games had never looked this good

I had a small party over at my place last night, I showed them wukong running on my PS5 PRO, and their jaws dropped

For the price, you're not going to get a better gaming system than the PS5 Pro. That's just the reality and it's one a lot of people are struggling with.

Is PSSR perfect? Obviously not. Is the PS5 Pro going to give you double the power of the PS5? Obviously not, but what it can deliver is fidelity like graphics at 60 fps in most cases. It's also going to smooth out games that aren't quite what they should be.

Anyone can pretend that they don't prefer PSSR implementation in a game because of far off background noise that you can't actually see while playing, but it's laughable. Maybe it matters more if you're playing on a monitor you're sitting at, but here I am trying to be generous with people who I know are trolling for views/clicks.

There's never going to be a perfect video game system. PS6 won't be perfect either. PS6 won't make a bad developer into a good developer or a bad game into a good game.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Obviously the reaction depends on who you show it to.

if it's the pc master race you're talking about, I know how to impress them.

just lie to them that this is straight from 5090 and their jaws will drop 100%

 

[Physiognomonics]

Just seems overtly negative and cherry picks things rather than looking at the bigger picture

I saw an immediate difference with how crisp Astro looked after the patch, I didn’t notice any of the temporal issues he relentlessly nags on about

They were doing the same exact thing since day one with TLOU 2 remake footage. Everybody could notice how sharper it was, notably in motion, how the grass looked higher resolution... But they noticed nothing until they found a spot of grass with a tad more artifacts in motion using a 4x zoom. They are just propaganda for Microsoft.

Same tactics, which I predicted, they used when PS4 Pro was released.

 

[DeepEnigma]

if it's the pc master race you're talking about, I know how to impress them.

just lie to them that this is straight from 5090 and their jaws will drop 100%

I know you're being cheeky, but there is definitely truth to this.

They were doing the same exact thing since day one with TLOU 2 remake footage. Everybody could notice how sharper it was, notably in motion, how the grass looked higher resolution... But they noticed nothing until they found a spot of grass with a tad more artifacts in motion using a 4x zoom. They are just propaganda for Microsoft.

Same tactics, which I predicted, they used when PS4 Pro was released.

I don't hear them harping and tweeting on grass disappearing around your character in Avowed, or how water has zero reaction to the player. In 2025. Just good ole chummy praises.

But at one time they did just that on an early build gameplay video of Ghost of Tsushima for the PS4 that the grass didn't react to the player's feet when he stepped on it. Only for it to actually react on launch day. As a lot of us said it would.

They be selective with different standards that way.

 

[omegasc]

Interesting that they aren't sure it's using PSSR. Seems like a testament on how it's improved.
edit: well, I watched the video now and they don't seem really not sure to me

 

[FrankWza]

For the price, you're not going to get a better gaming system than the PS5 Pro. That's just the reality and it's one a lot of people are struggling with.

Is PSSR perfect? Obviously not. Is the PS5 Pro going to give you double the power of the PS5? Obviously not, but what it can deliver is fidelity like graphics at 60 fps in most cases. It's also going to smooth out games that aren't quite what they should be.

Anyone can pretend that they don't prefer PSSR implementation in a game because of far off background noise that you can't actually see while playing, but it's laughable. Maybe it matters more if you're playing on a monitor you're sitting at, but here I am trying to be generous with people who I know are trolling for views/clicks.

There's never going to be a perfect video game system. PS6 won't be perfect either. PS6 won't make a bad developer into a good developer or a bad game into a good game.

While no one was paying attention they went out and built the best bang for your buck gaming ecosystem. Best console ever made plus top of market VR plus handheld gaming that plays all the latest games and planar magnetic headphones and a pro controller with replacement sticks. All that for under $2000.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It's their job to notice things and they do. Then they give an opinion. You can also have your opinion.

My issue is with the commentary

“Fundamentally unstable” makes it seem way worse than it actually is

“PSSR doesn’t do the most amazing job at maintaining a super stable 4K image so it’s not all rainbows and path tracing there”

Derp

 

[Shaki12345]

My issue is with the commentary

“Fundamentally unstable” makes it seem way worse than it actually is

“PSSR doesn’t do the most amazing job at maintaining a super stable 4K image so it’s not all rainbows and path tracing there”

Derp

And what about those remarks is factually untrue?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

And what about those remarks is factually untrue?

Playing the actual game there’s no evidence of a fundamentally unstable image or that PSSR isn’t doing a good job

 

[Shaki12345]

Playing the actual game there’s no evidence of a fundamentally unstable image or that PSSR isn’t doing a good job

I haven't seen it myself, so maybe you aren't as sensitive to it as the DF guys.

 

[krumble]

FSR1 is for PS5, not the Pro. PSSR is not available for the base console.

No, FSR1 works on both, PSSR only on pro I get that as it’s coded specifically for the pro hardware
FSR is on 3.1 on pc right now, I was asking if there are any known FSR 3.1 games on ps5, I would guess wukang since it uses frame gen?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I haven't seen it myself, so maybe you aren't as sensitive to it as the DF guys.

No, they are just hyperbolizing, exaggerating the weaknesses and downplaying the strengths

 

[Shaki12345]

No, they are just hyperbolizing, exaggerating the weaknesses and downplaying the strengths

In your opinion, why is that?

 

[krumble]

I am pretty sure Cerny was talking about ML upscaling software that would need a license, like DLSS or possibly FSR4. Because those upscaling solutions need plenty of compute to brute force the learning part or the machine learning upscaling.

That’s what I thought, but wondered if there was any licensing with various versions of FSR and whether anyone knew?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

In your opinion, why is that?

I couldn’t tell you. But they’ve consistently done this since the rumors of the Pro

 

[krumble]

Really bizarre how much he criticizes “temporal issues” that are negligible, meanwhile you can see a clear increase in detail

Oliver doesn’t play games it seems..since all his focus is on still images while ignore games in motion with pssr…

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Playing the actual game there’s no evidence of a fundamentally unstable image or that PSSR isn’t doing a good job

In your opinion, why is that?

They've been taking shots at PSSR since before it was even revealed.

Calling it pisser or calling the PS5 Pro the PS5 Professional and the regular PS5 the Amateur... They also make fun of Playstation spectral super resolution, putting emphasis on things like super and spectral.

They're doing that because they want to defend DLSS which I've never heard them call anything other than DLSS. I've never seen them make fun of DLSS.

It was obvious Sony takes offense to it and its why they chose CNET instead of them to reveal the ps5 pro hands on.

They push for console wars so they back Microsoft and they are sponsored by PC parts manufacturers which is why they sell the lie of PCMR.

When they compare PS5 Pro and PSSR to PC, they never do a holistic comparison.

This is the build of the PC, this is what it looks like compared to PS5 with similar or max setting and this is the framerate. They always split it up.

Yeah, they're quite biased.

 

[omegasc]

No, FSR1 works on both, PSSR only on pro I get that as it’s coded specifically for the pro hardware
FSR is on 3.1 on pc right now, I was asking if there are any known FSR 3.1 games on ps5, I would guess wukang since it uses frame gen?

Ah, I got it now. First Descendant and Aveum, maybe?

 

[Gaiff]

They've been taking shots at PSSR since before it was even revealed.

Calling it pisser or calling the PS5 Pro the PS5 Professional and the regular PS5 the Amateur... They also make fun of Playstation spectral super resolution, putting emphasis on things like super and spectral.

They're doing that because they want to defend DLSS which I've never heard them call anything other than DLSS. I've never seen them make fun of DLSS.

It was obvious Sony takes offense to it and its why they chose CNET instead of them to reveal the ps5 pro hands on.

They push for console wars so they back Microsoft and they are sponsored by PC parts manufacturers which is why they sell the lie of PCMR.

When they compare PS5 Pro and PSSR to PC, they never do a holistic comparison.

This is the build of the PC, this is what it looks like compared to PS5 with similar or max setting and this is the framerate. They always split it up.

Yeah, they're quite biased.

Yet Cerny said he watches too much DF and gave them an exclusive interview. For being mad at them, Sony sure gave them a lot of special coverage.

so within 2~3 years of a console's release, pc users could easily get a rig that are 3~4 times more powerful.

4090 was released 2 years after the regular PS5 and it's 3x as fast. How can you say MLID when the 4090 released just over 2 years ago was the biggest generational uplift since the 1080 Ti, actually even bigger. You have to go back to the days of the 8800 GTX to see a larger gen-on-gen performance gains. Your post wasn't thoroughly researched.

 

[Shaki12345]

Yet Cerny said he watches too much DF and gave them an exclusive interview. For being mad at them, Sony sure gave them a lot of special coverage.


4090 was released 2 years after the regular PS5 and it's 3x as fast. How can you say MLID when the 4090 released just over 2 years ago was the biggest generational uplift since the 1080 Ti, actually even bigger. You have to go back to the days of the 8800 GTX to see a larger gen-on-gen performance gains. Your post wasn't thoroughly researched.

He watches DF because he knows what he's talking about (obviously) and DF knows what they're talking about. Perfect match. Some people here don't like the DF opinion and that's fine, but their analysis and technical knowledge is on point.

 

[rofif]

Yet Cerny said he watches too much DF and gave them an exclusive interview. For being mad at them, Sony sure gave them a lot of special coverage.


4090 was released 2 years after the regular PS5 and it's 3x as fast. How can you say MLID when the 4090 released just over 2 years ago was the biggest generational uplift since the 1080 Ti, actually even bigger. You have to go back to the days of the 8800 GTX to see a larger gen-on-gen performance gains. Your post wasn't thoroughly researched.

4090 is hyper product that doesn’t exist before in previous consoles.
To cards were always 80 and not that crazy more expensive than regular.
That changes the comparison

 

[Gaiff]

4090 is hyper product that doesn’t exist before in previous consoles.
To cards were always 80 and not that crazy more expensive than regular.
That changes the comparison

It has existed for years. NVIDIA just changed the naming scheme. The 1080 Ti has a greater percentage of the big die than the 4090, so it’s actually more of a 1090 than the 4090 is a 4090.

 

[yogaflame]

Is DF turning into bias against Ps5 pro especially PSSR ML? I'm starting to notice it.

 

[Shaki12345]

Is DF turning into bias against Ps5 pro especially PSSR ML? I'm starting to notice it.

If you think they're anything but objective you're missing the point. The whole idea behind DF is that everything they analyse is based on scientific fact. After that they add their opinion which you can agree or disagree on.

 

[Kerotan]

Anyone think Age of mythology retold will be Pro enhanced. No mention on the store 10 days out.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

If you think they're anything but objective you're missing the point. The whole idea behind DF is that everything they analyse is based on scientific fact. After that they add their opinion which you can agree or disagree on.

"Scientific Facts" that go unrecognized

 

[Shaki12345]

"Scientific Facts" that go unrecognized

If they make a mistake, which all humans do, they're pro enough to admit that. Many times before have they adjusted opinions based on new research or findings.

They don't have hidden agenda's. The entire concept of DF is based on objectivity and science and then they add their personal opinion.

 

[JackHanma]

Really enjoying Stellar Blade and Space Marine 2 on my Pro. Wonderful console.

 

[yogaflame]

If you think they're anything but objective you're missing the point. The whole idea behind DF is that everything they analyse is based on scientific fact. After that they add their opinion which you can agree or disagree on.

I think those very expensive card had raise the bar too much especially against console. I think they should not compare a $1999 - $2000+ dollar GPU with DLSS 4 against a $699 console with PSSR ML which is just 3 months of learning. For me, I think there analyst should just be console player only so that he does not compare all the time to PC. PC gamers eyes are already use to PC gaming especially if its a expensive rig.

 

[Shaki12345]

I think those very expensive card had raise the bar too much especially against console. I think they should not compare a $1999 - $2000+ dollar GPU with DLSS 4 against a $699 console with PSSR ML which is just 3 months of learning. For me, I think there analyst should just be console player only so that he does not compare all the time to PC. PC gamers eyes are already use to PC gaming especially if its a expensive rig.

What's wrong with a objective comparison to see the factual difference. Obviously PC will be better. They compare consoles against each other and console against PC. That's a fair comparison. It's not a competition. It's just objective analysis based on science.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Yet Cerny said he watches too much DF and gave them an exclusive interview. For being mad at them, Sony sure gave them a lot of special coverage.


4090 was released 2 years after the regular PS5 and it's 3x as fast. How can you say MLID when the 4090 released just over 2 years ago was the biggest generational uplift since the 1080 Ti, actually even bigger. You have to go back to the days of the 8800 GTX to see a larger gen-on-gen performance gains. Your post wasn't thoroughly researched.

This is what the most technically advanced game looked like on ps3 in its mid life cycle.

you can immediately tell that this pile of blurry shyt is nothing like the crysis 2 on pc

and this is what technically the most advanced game looks like on ps5 pro now.

can you honestly tell that you'd have known if I hadn't tell you that this is not from pc?

this is what PS4 games looked like vs PC

and now this is what ps5 pro vs pc looks like

you get my point?

 

[Shaki12345]

This is what the most technically advanced game looked like on ps3 in its mid life cycle.

you can immediately tell that this pile of blurry shyt is nothing like the crysis 2 on pc

and this is what technically the most advanced game looks like on ps5 pro now.

can you honestly tell that you'd have known if I hadn't tell you that this is not from pc?

this is what PS4 games looked like vs PC

and now this is what ps5 pro vs pc looks like

you get my point?

Are you saying that consoles are PC's?

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Are you saying that consoles are PC's?

I'm saying console games looked like crap when compared to pc, but not any more

 

[Gaiff]

This is what the most technically advanced game looked like on ps3 in its mid life cycle.

you can immediately tell that this pile of blurry shyt is nothing like the crysis 2 on pc

and this is what technically the most advanced game looks like on ps5 pro now.

can you honestly tell that you'd have known if I hadn't tell you that this is not from pc?

this is what PS4 games looked like vs PC

and now this is what ps5 pro vs pc looks like

you get my point?

No, I don’t get your point because you’re dishonestly comparing PS5 Pro vs PC in a game that was a PS5 exclusive for over a year, brought over to PC, and barely upgraded. Besides, FF7R on base PS5 is notorious for having absolutely horrible IQ and egregious pop-ins. Compare it to a maxed out PC like you did for TW3, the base version looks like shit, even worse if it’s the Performance Mode.

Should we compare BMW maxed out with full path tracing on a 4090/5090 to the base PS5? Because I can tell you, the difference is quite dramatic.

The point you made was based on numbers, but you shifted the goalposts when you saw that they remained similar. 4090 is 3x the performance of a base PS5 and was released 2 years later. 5090 is 3x the performance of a PS5 Pro and came in just a few months later. What changed?

The PS5 Pro remains a decent option for its price point, and the PS5 at $400 is still excellent value and was straight-up robbery when it first came out. No need to make up falsehoods.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

No, I don’t get your point because you’re dishonestly comparing PS5 Pro vs PC in a game that was a PS5 exclusive for over a year, brought over to PC, and barely upgraded.

Should we compare BMW maxed out with full path tracing on a 4090/5090 to the base PS5? Because I can tell you, the difference is quite dramatic.

The point you made was based on numbers, but you shifted the goalposts when you saw that they remained similar. 4090 is 3x the performance of a base PS5 and was released 2 years later. 5090 is 3x the performance of a PS5 Pro and came in just a few months later. What changed?

The PS5 Pro remains a decent option for its price point, and the PS5 at $400 is still excellent value and was straight-up robbery when it first came out. No need to make up falsehoods.

8800GTX was released around the same time as ps3 and it was already 3~4 times more powerful, it could easily run the games at 1080 60 where ps3 would struggle to keep 30 at 720.

GTX Titan was released around the same time as ps4 and it was capable of running games at 4k 60 where ps4 would run its games at 1080 30.

And this is how well BMW runs on 4090 WITHOUT the ray tracing

runs about as fast as it runs on my ps5 pro

 

[MazingerDUDE]

FF7R on base PS5 is notorious for having absolutely horrible IQ and egregious pop-ins. Compare it to a maxed out PC like you did for TW3, the base version looks like shit, even worse if it’s the Performance Mode.

the horrible IQ in 60fps performance mode, but not the 30fps quality.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Should we compare BMW maxed out with full path tracing on a 4090/5090 to the base PS5? Because I can tell you, the difference is quite dramatic.

since you say the difference is quite dramatic, are you up for some blind test of mixed screenshots of PS5 PRO and maxed out pc with the full path tracing?

I sure would have no problem picking ps3 and ps4 apart from pc

 

[yogaflame]

What's wrong with a objective comparison to see the factual difference. Obviously PC will be better. They compare consoles against each other and console against PC. That's a fair comparison. It's not a competition. It's just objective analysis based on science.

I do get your point. But it is like comparing a highschool basketball team against a college basketball team.

 

[Gaiff]

8800GTX was released around the same time as ps3 and it was already 3~4 times more powerful, it could easily run the games at 1080 60 where ps3 would struggle to keep 30 at 720.

The PS3 came a year late into the market. Look at how powerful the Xbox 360 was compared to PC GPUs at launch. Its GPU in November 2005 was close to the best PC GPUs in the 7800 GTX. The Xbox 360 was quite famous at the time for coming close to high-end PCs, so you’re describing the opposite situation. What changed is that back then, GPU cycles were still just 1 year and not long before that, they were even 6-8 months. Now they’re 2 years.

GTX Titan was released around the same time as ps4 and it was capable of running games at 4k 60 where ps4 would run its games at 1080 30.

Oh, it did? Because here is how the Titan ran games at 1440p since 4K benchmarks were quite rare because it wasn't a viable 4K card. I know this, I had one.

56fps in Battlefield 3 at 1440p.

62fps in Sleeping Dogs.

39fps in Metro Last Light.

There is not a single game where the Titan runs 4K60 while the base PS4 is stuck at 1080p30 unless the PS4 is heavily CPU-bound, which happened a lot.

In fact, the 7850 was the closest GPU to the PS4 and here is how it stacks up to the original Titan.

2.36x faster. This doesn't take you from 1080p30 to 4K60. It takes you from 1080p30 to above 1080p60. Now let's see how the PS5's GPU compares to the 3090 Ti.

Oops...the 3090 Ti is 2.25x faster. The same difference.

And this is how well BMW runs on 4090 WITHOUT the ray tracing

runs about as fast as it runs on my ps5 pro

Yes, at native 4K, Cinematic preset. You do know the base PS5 runs it at 1080p WITH frame gen to reach 60fps, right? Here's how the 4090 runs it at comparable settings and resolution.

172fps. And you're going to say the difference isn't enormous? Laughable.

since you say the difference is quite dramatic, are you up for some blind test of mixed screenshots of PS5 PRO and maxed out pc with the full path tracing?

I sure would have no problem picking ps3 and ps4 apart from pc

I don't care about your screenshots. Just stop lying. Black Myth Wukong on the base PS5 in Performance Mode looks like junk with terrible FSR and a shitload of artifacts and it straight-up falls apart in motion. The fact that you're sitting here telling us it doesn't look like shit compared to the maxed out PC version is downright comical. Now you bring up the PS5 Pro when you were specifically comparing the BASE PS4 to PCs. The PS360 didn't have an enhanced console. Compare the base PS5 to the 4090, it's not pretty. The PS5 Pro fares quite a bit better, but in games that actually push tech such as Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk 2077, or Black Myth: Wukong, the difference is stark, but sure, let's pretend a PS5 former exclusive where they did almost nothing to enhance the PC version is the only game out there.

the horrible IQ in 60fps performance mode, but not the 30fps quality.

The pop-in still occurs on PS5 and I think even on the Pro. Besides, you were the one championing the consoles being freed from their 30fps shackles, so why are you resorting to 30fps screenshots...oh, I know, to support the lies you made up in this thread.

Once again, it's just pure silliness to compare top of the line graphics cards that cost $1600+ to consoles. Sony didn't make the Pro to compete with the 4090 and 5090, so quit making this comparison as if it made any sense.

 

[Shaki12345]

I do get your point. But it is like comparing a highschool basketball team against a college basketball team.

It gives context. By the way, consoles and PC are competing for the same thing; the user's time. In that regard it's the same competition.

 

[Ashamam]

In that regard it's the same competition.

Wtf? A lamborghini competes with a Honda Civic if you use your argument. Not too many people try to compare them though with a straight face. Talk about jumping the shark.

DF absolutely slant their coverage for clicks. They like controversy, if every analysis was, this game is excellent, jobs done, they would be out of work. That they also seem to slant PC vs console and Xbox vs Playstation is in the eye of the beholder, but I've seen enough to think there is something behind the scenes that influences their coverage. The odd discord leak certainly doesn't do much to make them seem objective. Then there are Heisenberg comments in the past which makes you wonder as well.

 

[Shaki12345]

Wtf? A lamborghini competes with a Honda Civic if you use your argument. Not too many people try to compare them though with a straight face. Talk about jumping the shark.

DF absolutely slant their coverage for clicks. They like controversy, if every analysis was, this game is excellent, jobs done, they would be out of work. That they also seem to slant PC vs console and Xbox vs Playstation is in the eye of the beholder, but I've seen enough to think there is something behind the scenes that influences their coverage. The odd discord leak certainly doesn't do much to make them seem objective. Then there are Heisenberg comments in the past which makes you wonder as well.

All gaming systems, including PC, are competing for only 1 thing: your time. So, in that regard they are in the same competition.

Obviously a PC is always the more powerful hardware. DF shows the more powerful hardware (PC) so the viewer can see what is possible on the high end of the spectrum and what they get with a console. It's fair play to give that context.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Oh, it did? Because here is how the Titan ran games at 1440p since 4K benchmarks were quite rare because it wasn't a viable 4K card. I know this, I had one.

you're forgetting that you can sli those titans =)

also even with just a single titan you can easily get 4~5 times the performance of ps4

I mean this is how GTA5 ran at PS4 struggling to pull off 30fps at 1080p

and this is what a titan can do 1440p 80fps

1440p is about double the res of 1080 and you get 2.5 x frame rate with higher settings

2.36x faster. This doesn't take you from 1080p30 to 4K60. It takes you from 1080p30 to above 1080p60.

now talk about who's lying

but in games that actually push tech such as Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk 2077, or Black Myth: Wukong, the difference is stark

yet, you'd refuse to do my wukong blind test because you know that you'll fail

The pop-in still occurs on PS5 and I think even on the Pro. Besides, you were the one championing the consoles being freed from their 30fps shackles, so why are you resorting to 30fps screenshots...oh, I know, to support the lies you made up in this thread.

this is precisely what you said

Compare it to a maxed out PC like you did for TW3, the base version looks like shit, even worse if it’s the Performance Mode.

you basically said that the base ps5 version of ff7 rebirth looks like shyt even in 30fps quality mode when compared side by side to a maxed out pc

you're just another delusional pcmi