London 2012 Summer Olympics |OT|

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Zzoram said:
I just think the accusation of genetic engineering for swimming is ridiculous. If China invented genetic engineering of humans, you'd think they would be using it for something more important than making a girl swim a bit faster.

I think China just found a good mutant in their gigantic population.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/londo...shiwen-under-fire-after-smashing-world-record
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Therein lies the problem and benefit of the Chinese aka Soviet system. They basically steal children away and put them into camps where they're immersed completely in sport. They no longer live normal lives. They don't attend regular schools if at all. Many ex athletes say school was never given and all they did was eat, sleep, and train. It's a factory, plain and simple.

To me it's more amazing that the rest of the world can compete. That the US consistently tops the medal charts when children live normal lives doing normal kid things while they train is amazing.

China adopted this system just over 20 years ago and after a full generation their efforts are paying off. Back then they had 5 gold medals total. Now they did that in half a day of competing. Big whoop. Ruin a kid's life for the good of the motherland. Whatever floats their boat.

Not to mention all the kids who fail and are abandoned from the system unable to find work because they wasted half their learning and developing years swimming 50,000 yards a day.

And yes, they dope. It's state sponsored doping with infinite resources thrown into the mix to hide it. No American athlete, even during the doping years received that kind of funding and science to cheat and hide it. No 15 year old should be able to perform at that level. I've known many a swimmers with immense talent, even at an early age, but nothing even close to what she did today. Not to mention the event she did it in. No way. Oh, plus the massive time drop.
 
I'm skimming through the replay of Male Gymnastics on CTV and their feed was stuck on the high bar for some reason. :lol

This did allow me to watch team USA perform in that apparatus and they did really good, but that was the last event. Danell Leyva was crying afterwards. ;o;
 
Maegli did great today on Sailing, Man's Laser. First place on race 1 and 10th on the second one, because he got penalized. He's still 2nd place over all. Hope the Aussie messes up tomorrow.

Go Maegli!
 
Tapiozona said:
Therein lies the problem and benefit of the Chinese aka Soviet system. They basically steal children away and put them into camps where they're immersed completely in sport. They no longer live normal lives. They don't attend regular schools if at all. Many ex athletes say school was never given and all they did was eat, sleep, and train. It's a factory, plain and simple.

To me it's more amazing that the rest of the world can compete. That the US consistently tops the medal charts when children live normal lives doing normal kid things while they train is amazing.

China adopted this system just over 20 years ago and after a full generation their efforts are paying off. Back then they had 5 gold medals total. Now they did that in half a day of competing. Big whoop. Ruin a kid's life for the good of the motherland. Whatever floats their boat.

Not to mention all the kids who fail and are abandoned from the system unable to find work because they wasted half their learning and developing years swimming 50,000 yards a day.
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Someone mentioned earlier that the Chinese swimmers are actually training with foreign coaches in Australia. They are not under the Soviet system.
 
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OpinionatedCyborg said:
It never occured to me to click on "list view" which makes things so much more readable (albeit with a lot more scrolling down). even so, there have been a few events CTV hasn't shown live on their site, which is a bit annoying.
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Are you sure? They seems to have at least 14 world feeds which should cover every sport at a given time. I've noticed that many of the live events are not promoted in the front page, but if you go into the Schedule and click on the event it should link to a live feed.

I've been using BBC though. *.*
 
Zzoram said:
Womens 400 IM on CTV has zero commentary. I guess nobody was expecting it to be notable.
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There's commentary in this video: http://www.ctvolympics.ca/videos/watch/update-record-gold-for-china-shiwen.html.

The ctvolympics site is pretty confusing to navigate but it seems like the clips of the actual CTV broadcasts have the commentary. If you click on the "full event replay" links on the front page you can usually get to the full replay of CTV's actual TV broadcast.
 
Tapiozona said:
Therein lies the problem and benefit of the Chinese aka Soviet system. They basically steal children away and put them into camps where they're immersed completely in sport. They no longer live normal lives. They don't attend regular schools if at all. Many ex athletes say school was never given and all they did was eat, sleep, and train. It's a factory, plain and simple.

To me it's more amazing that the rest of the world can compete. That the US consistently tops the medal charts when children live normal lives doing normal kid things while they train is amazing.

China adopted this system just over 20 years ago and after a full generation their efforts are paying off. Back then they had 5 gold medals total. Now they did that in half a day of competing. Big whoop. Ruin a kid's life for the good of the motherland. Whatever floats their boat.

Not to mention all the kids who fail and are abandoned from the system unable to find work because they wasted half their learning and developing years swimming 50,000 yards a day.

And yes, they dope. It's state sponsored doping with infinite resources thrown into the mix to hide it. No American athlete, even during the doping years received that kind of funding and science to cheat and hide it. No 15 year old should be able to perform at that level. I've known many a swimmers with immense talent, even at an early age, but nothing even close to what she did today. Not to mention the event she did it in. No way. Oh, plus the massive time drop.
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Dat Soviet system:

Unlike the 1990s, however, there are plausible explanations this time for why China is the swimming phenomenon of the 2012 Games.

For example, Ye's astounding world record in the 400 medley, when she swam the last 50 meters faster than American Ryan Lochte did in winning the equivalent men's race, isn't solely attributable to her large hands and feet. It also is at least partly because China, which has grown to become the world's second-largest economy, now throws big checks at some of swimming's sharpest minds. China has turned to foreign trainers to get their coaching programs, expertise and methods, not only to hone its swimming stars but to make them more rounded and relaxed, too. The idea is that happy swimmers are fast swimmers.

Ye has trained in Australia with two well-recognized coaches, Ken Wood and Denis Cotterell. Wood has had a contract with the Chinese Swimming Association since 2008, and 15 of China's swimmers in London, plus five of its relay swimmers, have trained at his academy north of Brisbane, rotating through in groups for a couple of months at a time, he told The Associated Press in a phone interview.

"I get paid per month, per swimmer four times more than I do with my home swimmers," Wood said from Australia after Ye qualified comfortably fastest Monday in the 200 medley heats. China pays him bonuses for Olympic gold and for swimmers' personal bests, and he also got a bonus for Ye's 200 medley world championship win in 2011.

"China is putting a lot of money into its program and I am only too happy to work with them," he said. "The whole Chinese philosophy is that they want to be the best they can."

Not only is training overseas exposing Chinese swimmers to more sophisticated coaching, it is teaching them about life and the wider world. In Australia, they and their coaches are learning to let their hair down a bit and about themselves. For a seasoned observer of China and its state-run sport system, the worldlier Chinese swimmers performing so well in London are truly a new breed. These aren't the automatons of old, with monosyllabic stock responses about how grateful they are to their motherland and seemingly so ignorant of life outside China's government-funded medal factories with their grind of training and yet more training far from family and friends.

Sun Yang, China's first man to win an Olympic swimming gold, radiates self-assurance, spunk and zeal. The 6-foot-6 swimmer with size 45 feet roared, pounded the water with his fists, wept and remembered to thank his mom and dad - "Really great parents, they gave me so much" - after crushing defending champion Park Tae-hwan of South Korea in the 400 free. Sun is among those who have trained in Australia.

Backstroker Fu Yuanhui, a bubbly 16-year-old, turned out for her semifinal in a silly, furry, Santa Claus-type hat and a cheesy grin. Lu Ying, silver medalist behind the United States' Dana Vollmer in the 100 fly, gave a long, thoughtful answer about why Australia was such an eye-opener for her. She said she was particularly impressed by the enthusiasm of the Australian swimmers she trained with and how they balanced work and play.

"They're always having fun. They're not worrying that if they have too much fun they won't be able to move when the training gets hard. Chinese are quite particular about these things, about resting before training hard. But that isn't how they think. They think that when it's time to have fun, then you have fun," she said. "So you end up feeling that our thinking is a bit restricted too much by social conventions and taboos and that we limit ourselves and that sometimes we can't relax. Their teammates often invite them to barbecues, they eat, or their dad will often do a barbecue or breakfast and what not. And you think, 'That wouldn't happen in China.'"

Foreign expertise is also compensating for weaknesses in Chinese coaching. Wood said many top coaches in China's provinces are retired swimmers. They concentrate on stroke technique, but "are not very well up on biomechanics or any of the sport science." They also drill discipline into young swimmers early on - Wood said Ye's coach in China is "very, very tough on her" - and he's been urging them to lighten up.

"I had a good talk with her and said, 'You have to be confident and enjoy it,'" he said. "I said, 'Come on, Ye, have a joke and smile,' and we got her to crack a smile."

Wood also said the Chinese, especially the women, keep their weight down and that is the "whole secret" to their success. They come to his academy with their own chefs and shop for food in Brisbane's Chinatown.

"Fat cats don't fight; they sleep in front of the fire. And there are no fat cats in China," he said. "There's not one Chinese girl I've seen with weight on. ... That is a huge advantage for Chinese. Most of our girls, the Aussie girls, are carrying too much weight."

He said Ye's power-to-weight ratio is particularly good, and that helps explain how she was able to rip through the last 50 of her 400 IM in 28.93 seconds, compared with Lochte's 29.10. That gender-defying feat and her world record of 4 minutes, 28.43 seconds, more than any other Chinese achievement so far in London's Aquatics Centre, set tongues wagging. Lochte said he and his teammates talked about it over dinner and that "if she was there with me, she might have beat me."

"That's the one that's caused all the controversy," Wood said of that swim. Even in Australia, he is hearing muttered suspicions from London about Ye and whether China "is going back to the bad old days."
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http://www.kentucky.com/2012/07/30/2277201/column-whats-up-with-chinas-swimming.html
 
Koodo said:
Are you sure? They seems to have at least 14 world feeds which should cover every sport at a given time. I've noticed that many of the live events are not promoted in the front page, but if you go into the Schedule and click on the event it should link to a live feed.

I've been using BBC though. *.*
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They missed one of the weightlifting events. Often, I will click on an event that is occuring live, but there will be no video feed, just a live scoreboard update. When in doubt, I use BBC.

e: just scrolled through it, and the full event replays missing for weight lifting, sailing and a vareity of other events. still, the site is fairly comprehensive.
 
Khold said:
This is what I mean:

Everything is streamed live, provided you have a cable provider. But if you want to watch at any other time you have to watch NBC to inflate their ratings or bust (or watch BBC).

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Want to watch beach volleyball? Sure you can watch 2 of the groups. Not the one that has the American team
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Of course they would lock those events out for us. The ratings, think of the ratings! Fucking scumbags.
 
Tapiozona said:
Therein lies the problem and benefit of the Chinese aka Soviet system. They basically steal children away and put them into camps where they're immersed completely in sport. They no longer live normal lives. They don't attend regular schools if at all. Many ex athletes say school was never given and all they did was eat, sleep, and train. It's a factory, plain and simple.

To me it's more amazing that the rest of the world can compete. That the US consistently tops the medal charts when children live normal lives doing normal kid things while they train is amazing.

China adopted this system just over 20 years ago and after a full generation their efforts are paying off. Back then they had 5 gold medals total. Now they did that in half a day of competing. Big whoop. Ruin a kid's life for the good of the motherland. Whatever floats their boat.

Not to mention all the kids who fail and are abandoned from the system unable to find work because they wasted half their learning and developing years swimming 50,000 yards a day.

And yes, they dope. It's state sponsored doping with infinite resources thrown into the mix to hide it. No American athlete, even during the doping years received that kind of funding and science to cheat and hide it. No 15 year old should be able to perform at that level. I've known many a swimmers with immense talent, even at an early age, but nothing even close to what she did today. Not to mention the event she did it in. No way. Oh, plus the massive time drop.
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which event are you talking about? I wanna watch it so I know what you guys are talking about.

edit: nvm thanks. ^^^
 
MIMIC said:
So is this the woman everyone has been talking about?
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no. that was the 15 year old lithuanian. the girl everyone is talking about is Chinese and swam the 400 IM

Has the 400 IM been shown on NBC yet? I really want to hear what the American commentator reactions are.
 
duderon said:
Everyone is talking about the Chinese girl that won the 200 free. Not about the Lithuanian girl that won the 100 breaststroke.
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I was referring to Missy Franklin. I saw her name a few times in the last few pages and just assumed she was the one being discussed.

Sooo.....this Chinese girl.....what happened? :)
 
DanteFox said:
which event are you talking about? I wanna watch it so I know what you guys are talking about.
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Women's 400M IM. Ye Shiwen blasts ahead of the USA swimmer in the last 100M and sets a new record. Her last 50M were faster than Lochte's last 50M in the Men's 400M IM although her overall time was worse than even the 8th man's overall time.

It's that last 50M that have people talking, she exploded with speed and now everyone is crying doping. Her blood is going to be checked for everything over the next 8 years.

This girl was drafted into the Olympian program in China when a teacher noticed she had large hands and officials thought they would be useful for swimming.
 
Zzoram said:
Women's 400M IM. Ye Shiwen blasts ahead of the USA swimmer in the last 100M and sets a new record. Her last 50M were faster than Lochte's last 50M in the Men's 400M IM although her overall time was worse than even the 8th man's overall time.

It's that last 50M that have people talking, she exploded with speed and now everyone is crying doping. Her blood is going to be checked for everything over the next 8 years.
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MY GOD
 
MIMIC said:
I was referring to Missy Franklin. I saw her name a few times in the last few pages and just assumed she was the one being discussed.

Sooo.....this Chinese girl.....what happened? :)
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It's hard to find Olympic video due to all those restrictions, but here she is last year going from 5th place to 1st place in the final 50 M of the 200 IM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK8KizeMzP0&t=1m44s

She did something similar in the 400 IM.

LizardKing said:
Yeah, as he said above, this article kinda proves his point. A few months away for a fresh perspective does nothing to change the way they have lived their whole lives.
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When other swimmers like Phelps train for only a couple of months before the Olympics, I think months of work by top Australian coaches can make a big difference.
 
numble said:
It's hard to find Olympic video due to all those restrictions, but here she is last year going from 5th place to 1st place in the final 50 M of the 200 IM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK8KizeMzP0&t=1m44s

She did something similar in the 400 IM.


When other swimmers like Phelps train for only a couple of months before the Olympics, I think months of work by top Australian coaches can make a big difference.
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Ye Shiwen seems to always save an explosive burst of energy for the last 50M of her swims.
 
IceCold said:
The fact that she was faster than Lochte makes me think she is doping. I just don't see how something like this could be possible.
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That's why people think she's doping. Although that was just the last 50M, her overall time was slower than the 8th place man in the same event.

She could just be a freak of nature, China's population is big enough to have those and the government actively searches for them and drafts them into sports that their freakish features would be an asset in.
 
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