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London riots spreading through UK

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BlazingDarkness

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cyberheater said:
I don't think they can legally do that but I agree with the sentiment.
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Why wouldn't they be able to do that? Smack 'em an eviction notice for anti-social behaviour, it's not like they own the property they're festering in
 
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SmokyDave

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MiDNiGHTS said:
Surprised people are still looking at this through a racial prism. Seems like plenty of white people in the pics looting/rioting.
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I think it's more about latent prejudice gradually seeping out. These people want to see it as a racial issue, regardless of evidence to the contrary.

CaramaC said:
So what do you think then, can we tag all parents who received these grants with the chav/scum/rioters tag? Or maybe even take it as far as people who claim child benefit.
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Not at all. In principle, the grant is a good thing. Doesn't stop what I said being true. I'm sure we'll reform the welfare system to the benefit of good citizens once this is over.

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Dabanton said:
I'm near eltham one of the areas with a high concentration of 'english defenders' don't think i'll be out and about this evening. I have a feeling from what some of those prats were doing in enfield last night that the first black face they see is going to get it involved or not.
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Stay safe man, I don't think these idiots are discriminating with their discrimination either.
 
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Lucius86

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dc89 said:
sorry if already posted but...

We all remember that kid who was mugged in London whilst he was holding his broken jaw, you know, some scum rifled through his back pack and stole some property.

Well it turns out he had his PSP and games stolen. Sony are replacing it, their UK marketing director has confirmed it.



http://www.vg247.com/2011/08/10/injured-boy-mugged-in-riot-to-have-psp-replaced-by-scee/

Well done Sony.

Edit: Similar to what Steviedisco posted above.
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Yep. Good job Sony.

Despite all this craziness, there really are some good things coming out of this too. I stopped my car leaving the gym tonight to thank a group of police officers patrolling Streatham. When someone else saw me do this, they too went up and did the same, and when I looked in my rear-view mirror I saw a small crowd there thanking these men and women. I couldn't help with the clear up in Clapham thanks to work commitments, but I did the best to show my appreciation today.
 
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SmokyDave said:
Ominous clouds are brewing. Too many people are looking at this through a prism of race rather than economics. Are the agendaless kids paving the way for the adults with agendas?
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So called patriots. Want the country to burn for their race agenda. I'm coming cross rumours flying by that some are looking to burn mosques down (already see the FB posting of it). It's like some nightmare. People taking advantage of the situation to cause havoc
 
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BlazingDarkness said:
Why wouldn't they be able to do that? Smack 'em an eviction notice for anti-social behaviour, it's not like they own the property they're festering in
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In theory that would be sufficient grounds to serve an eviction notice but the legal process us very convoluted and generally biased for the tenants.
 
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BlazingDarkness

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cyberheater said:
In theory that would be sufficient grounds to serve an eviction notice but the legal process us very convoluted and generally biased for the tenants.
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Well hopefully this time they make an exception, we've seen some of them sentenced to jail in less than 24 hours so I have faith they're coming down hard on them this time
 
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Osiris

I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
More details emerged about the chap who was supposedly "sentenced to a day, already served"

Turns out he was stopped with the two looted Burberry shirts and claimed to have 'found' them, was charged and pled guilty to "Theft by finding", and was sentenced to a day (already served) and a fine of £150.
 
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Garjon

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SteveWD40 said:
Getting better, cold and rain = best weapon.
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True, I would imagine there to be more drunken vigilantes than looters on the streets tonight, though that may be due to people actually getting into trouble for their actions (at long last).
 
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Walshicus

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Meus Renaissance said:
BNP leaflets.

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"Wear something white. You know it’s right."

Fuck off
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Has to be a first for the BNP spinning a positive light on Asians...
 
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zomgbbqftw

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Sneds said:
That's great. But your experience, and that of your black friends, isn't true for everyone. I'm not saying that black kids can't do well in education and get a good job - that's obviously not the case. But at the same time, Britain does have problems with racism, be it explicit or implicit. This isn't news.
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When my parents came to this country they had it much harder than any black youths do today, they were being targeted by skinheads and their shops were boycotted by whites. You know what they did? They worked doubly hard to make ends meet, they didn't blame anyone else for their problems.

My dad worked in my grandfather's tiny jewellery and watch repair shop (it was more like a cabin, tbh) in the slums of Haringey from age 12-18 while he was at school along with his two brothers. Then having worked fucking hard at Holloway Comprehensive (shit school, full of racists, even today) and getting decent A-Levels he went to university to study accounting and finance. Now he is a chartered accountant and specialises in tax avoidance measures for people far richer than him.

My parent's generation had much worse hardships than the black youths of today but you don't see the Indian community complaining about inequalities, we work within the system that is present. Black people who have followed the same or similar path have had the same or similar success like André and his parents (they run a Jamaican takeaway restaurant). People, all people, not just black people, who blamed other people for their problems and still do so while living on the estate claiming benefits complaining that they didn't get the same help etc...

You know what makes achievement doubly satisfying? Knowing you did it with system built to work against you. I work in a top multinational bank as an investment analyst, one of two non-whites to do so at my bank. Did we have to work harder and get better grades than the people around us? Yes, but we're still here instead of sitting in a council flat with looted goods complaining about how the world is against us like those arseholes looting.

Sorry if I have offended black people or anyone else, but people complaining about inequality really fuck me off. I have worked against a system made to keep people of my skin colour in the accountancy jobs, I know what it's like and it is possible to come out of the other side.
 
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Speedymanic

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Heh,

Dear Mr & Mrs Cameron,

Why did you never take the time to teach your child basic morality?

As a young man, he was in a gang that regularly smashed up private property. We know that you were absent parents who left your child to be brought up by a school rather than taking responsibility for his behaviour yourselves. The fact that he became a delinquent with no sense of respect for the property of others can only reflect that fact that you are terrible, lazy human beings who failed even in teaching your children the difference between right and wrong. I can only assume that his contempt for the small business owners of Oxford is indicative of his wider values.

Even worse, your neglect led him to fall in with a bad crowd.

There’s Michael Gove, whose wet-lipped rage was palpable on Newsnight last night. This is the Michael Gove who confused one of his houses with another of his houses in order to avail himself of £7,000 of the taxpayers’ money to which he was not entitled (or £13,000, depending on which house you think was which).

Or Hazel Blears, who was interviewed in full bristling peahen mode for almost all of last night. She once forgot which house she lived in, and benefited to the tune of £18,000. At the time she said it would take her reputation years to recover. Unfortunately not.

But, of course, this is different. This is just understandable confusion over the rules of how many houses you are meant to have as an MP. This doesn’t show the naked greed of people stealing plasma tellies.

Unless you’re Gerald Kaufman, who broke parliamentary rules to get £8,000 worth of 40-inch, flat screen, Bang and Olufsen TV out of the taxpayer.

Or Ed Vaizey, who got £2,000 in antique furniture ‘delivered to the wrong address’. Which is fortunate, because had that been the address they were intended for, that would have been fraud.

Or Jeremy Hunt, who broke the rules to the tune of almost £20,000 on one property and £2,000 on another. But it’s all right, because he agreed to pay half of the money back. Not the full amount, it would be absurd to expect him to pay back the entire sum that he took and to which he was not entitled. No, we’ll settle for half. And, as in any other field, what might have been considered embezzlement of £22,000 is overlooked. We know, after all, that David Cameron likes to give people second chances.

Fortunately, we have the Met Police to look after us. We’ll ignore the fact that two of its senior officers have had to resign in the last six weeks amid suspicions of widespread corruption within the force.

We’ll ignore Andy Hayman, who went for champagne dinners with those he was meant to be investigating, and then joined the company on leaving the Met.

Of course, Mr and Mrs Cameron, your son is right. There are parts of society that are not just broken, they are sick. Riddled with disease from top to bottom.

Just let me be clear about this (It’s a good phrase, Mr and Mrs Cameron, and one I looted from every sentence your son utters, just as he looted it from Tony Blair), I am not justifying or minimising in any way what has been done by the looters over the last few nights. What I am doing, however, is expressing shock and dismay that your son and his friends feel themselves in any way to be guardians of morality in this country.

Can they really, as 650 people who have shown themselves to be venal pygmies, moral dwarves at every opportunity over the last 20 years, bleat at others about ‘criminality’. Those who decided that when they broke the rules (the rules they themselves set) they, on the whole wouldn’t face the consequences of their actions?

Are they really surprised that this country’s culture is swamped in greed, in the acquisition of material things, in a lust for consumer goods of the most base kind? Really?

Let’s have a think back: cash-for-questions; Bernie Ecclestone; cash-for-access; Mandelson’s mortgage; the Hinduja passports; Blunkett’s alleged insider trading (and, by the way, when someone has had to resign in disgrace twice can we stop having them on television as a commentator, please?); the meetings on the yachts of oligarchs; the drafting of the Digital Economy Act with Lucian Grange; Byers’, Hewitt’s & Hoon’s desperation to prostitute themselves and their positions; the fact that Andrew Lansley (in charge of NHS reforms) has a wife who gives lobbying advice to the very companies hoping to benefit from the NHS reforms. And that list didn’t even take me very long to think of.

Our politicians are for sale and they do not care who knows it.

Oh yes, and then there’s the expenses thing. Widescale abuse of the very systems they designed, almost all of them grasping what they could while they remained MPs, to build their nest egg for the future at the public’s expense. They even now whine on Twitter about having their expenses claims for getting back to Parliament while much of the country is on fire subject to any examination. True public servants.

The last few days have revealed some truths, and some heartening truths. The fact that the #riotcleanup crews had organised themselves before David Cameron even made time for a public statement is heartening. The fact that local communities came together to keep their neighbourhoods safe when the police failed is heartening. The fact that there were peace vigils being organised (even as the police tried to dissuade people) is heartening.

There is hope for this country. But we must stop looking upwards for it. The politicians are the ones leading the charge into the gutter.

David Cameron was entirely right when he said: “It is a complete lack of responsibility in parts of our society, people allowed to think that the world owes them something, that their rights outweigh their responsibilities, and that their actions do not have consequences.”

He was more right than he knew.

And I blame the parents.
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http://nathanieltapley.com/2011/08/10/an-open-letter-to-david-camerons-parents/
 
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RukusProvider

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zomgbbqftw said:
Fuck you. I went to a grammar school which was about 10-15% black, those kids had the same opportunities as me and they all have decent jobs now. The opportunities for every Londoner (bar the rich who send their kids to independent school) who goes to state sector is the same, if you don't take advantage of the opportunities given to you it is not the government's fault.

Blaming someone else for problems that these people have created for themselves is why we have such a large number of people dependent on benefits. Entitlement culture is fucked up, the world doesn't owe anyone a living, people have to work fucking hard to make sure they are equipped for the modern workplace.

I didn't get my job in finance by leaving school at 16 and signing onto the dole, my friend André (who is black) didn't get his job working in scientific research and development for the government by signing onto the dole either, we both worked fucking hard at school (and he used to live in the local estate) to make something of ourselves.
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Nurtured entitlement is at the core of society's current degradation.

Too many people feel they're owed a living and don't need to work hard. They quickly dismiss successful people as "growing up with money, getting hooked up" and so on. The amount of successful people born with silver spoons and free rides is really a small number. The rest actually do bust their ass for it.

The lack of accountability and sense of entitlement by this rapidly growing sector of society can prove to be crippling to society.
 
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Twinduct

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Osiris said:
More details emerged about the chap who was supposedly "sentenced to a day, already served"

Turns out he was stopped with the two looted Burberry shirts and claimed to have 'found' them, was charged and pled guilty to "Theft by finding", and was sentenced to a day (already served) and a fine of £150.
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So .... 150 pounds ... plus a criminal record?!
 
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Mastadon

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cyberheater said:
In theory that would be sufficient grounds to serve an eviction notice but the legal process us very convoluted and generally biased for the tenants.
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What? No it isn't. I work for an ASB team and it's fairly straight forward to serve a Notice of Possessions Proceeding or a demoted tenancy. We have lot of power now, and if you can prove that someone was involved in these riots, it's more than enough to get them kicked out.
 
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Twinduct

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Speedymanic said:
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What's the deal with the bottom right image? Did someone legitimately have all their clothes stolen? Seems a little unbelievable... o_O



Racist thugs?
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Actually ... the only image that 'works' with their tags is the top left one. Nothing suggests that the three images have anything to do with their BS claim.

With that in regard .. LOL BNP!
 
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SmokyDave

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Notts tenants will face eviction too.

Realistically, I suspect that's bluster. Assuming they can evict, where will they put the resulting families? On the streets? Prison camps?

Ooh, I quite like those options.

Hearing quite a few sirens this evening.
 
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Sneds

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zomgbbqftw said:
you don't see the Indian community complaining about inequalities, we work within the system that is present.
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Why wouldn't you want the system to change to improve the quality of life for Indian people and other minority groups?

zomgbbqftw said:
Sorry if I have offended black people or anyone else, but people complaining about inequality really fuck me off. I have worked against a system made to keep people of my skin colour in the accountancy jobs, I know what it's like and it is possible to come out of the other side.
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So inequality exists but people shouldn't complain about it?

When people fight against inequality and succeed, like your parents, it's inspiring. But I would rather the inequality not exist in the first place. This started because I told someone from another country that inequality exists between black kids and white kids. That isn't an excuse for criminal behaviour. No-one, regardless of race, should be looting shops.
 
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Wrestlemania

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SmokyDave said:
Notts tenants will face eviction too.

Realistically, I suspect that's bluster. Assuming they can evict, where will they put the resulting families? On the streets? Prison camps?

Ooh, I quite like those options.

Hearing quite a few sirens this evening.
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On the streets with no home? Sounds great! That'll stop the riots!
 
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Twinduct

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SmokyDave said:
Notts tenants will face eviction too.

Realistically, I suspect that's bluster. Assuming they can evict, where will they put the resulting families? On the streets? Prison camps?

Ooh, I quite like those options.

Hearing quite a few sirens this evening.
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Come now, we all know this will end. Everytime they come person X, he'll act dead as to avoid all legal problems ... or run away ... or something.

Sorry, been watching Shameless back 2 back :|

Having said that .. just saw that I'm not a junior anymore :|
 
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Carbonox

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SmokyDave said:
Notts tenants will face eviction too.

Realistically, I suspect that's bluster. Assuming they can evict, where will they put the resulting families? On the streets? Prison camps?

Ooh, I quite like those options.

Hearing quite a few sirens this evening.
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While this is a good idea and I support it, I am actually at a loss where results are concerned. Where will they go? Kind of a double-edged sword and I do REALLY want repercussions on this level given to these insects.
 
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Osiris

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SmokyDave said:
Notts tenants will face eviction too.

Realistically, I suspect that's bluster. Assuming they can evict, where will they put the resulting families? On the streets? Prison camps?

Ooh, I quite like those options.

Hearing quite a few sirens this evening.
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Speaking from experience (4 years homeless) - they don't "put" you anywhere, you're kicked out of your property and left to your own devices, from there you yourself then have to go looking for the hostel options and get an interview for a place.

The exception is nightshelters, which can offer you a bed on a "first come first served" basis, arrive at opening at 5pm, hope you're one of the few that get a bed for the night by getting there early, get kicked out at 8am only to need to do the same again at 5pm the next evening. (Places are so limited that arrival 15mins after opening is often too late for any hope of getting a bed).
 
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SmokyDave said:
Notts tenants will face eviction too.

Realistically, I suspect that's bluster. Assuming they can evict, where will they put the resulting families? On the streets? Prison camps?

Ooh, I quite like those options.

Hearing quite a few sirens this evening.
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It should be noted that tenants that are evicted have intentionally made themselves homeless and the council no longer has a duty to rehouse them.
 
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painey

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really wish this thing would change the way the benefits system works. living on benefits should be MISERABLE, with no money for luxury items. cannot believe there is not one of the major political parties running with this, especially with such big debts. if we slash benefits even 10% we save millions.
 
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zomgbbqftw

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Sneds said:
Why wouldn't you want the system to change to improve the quality of life for Indian people and other minority groups?



So inequality exists but people shouldn't complain about it?

When people fight against inequality and succeed, like your parents, it's inspiring. But I would rather the inequality not exist in the first place. This started because I told someone from another country that inequality exists between black kids and white kids. That isn't an excuse for criminal behaviour. No-one, regardless of race, should be looting shops.
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Because change is slow and requires the people who maintain the inequalities to change their ways. It is much, much easier and more personally satisfying to do what you can to win against an unequal system. Blacks, Indians, Pakistanis across the country do it all the time. It is within our own power to get out there and earn jobs that are reserved for white folk, sure we will have to work harder than a white person, but if you want the job then you have to willing to do the work.

Complaining about inequality gets you nowhere, getting into well paid jobs and powerful positions does. My dad is a leader in the Indian community, he has worked with the council to make sure that access to sports facilities in Enfield are open to all wards rather than the ones they are based in. Our local cricket club hated it because suddenly a bunch of BME kids from Ponders End and Edmonton turned up to join, but they adjusted and now the club is one of the best in London.

Meanwhile some other idiot sitting in their council estate complained that he got stopped and search for a knife or a bomb and sued the police. Who made a difference?
 
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tehbible

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this is what happens when you become a nanny state like GB, you end up having to give social services to folks that EXPECT shit given to them all their lives.

i'm so sick of these younger generation of kids that think they 'deserve' or are 'entitled' to what they want.
 
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SmokyDave

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cyberheater said:
It should be noted that tenants that are evicted have intentionally made themselves homeless and the council no longer has a duty to rehouse them.
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There were around 1000 incidents last night resulting in at least 100 arrests. The trouble isn't even over yet. I'll eat my cock if most of those arrested don't live in council accommodation. They can't turf that many people out.

Osiris, thanks for the info. On phone or I'd have multiquoted you too.

Still hearing a lot of sirens.
 
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