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London riots spreading through UK
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Xavien said:
The 'issue' of people not having enough trainers from JJB sports and widescreen TVs? The 'issue' of some thug gang member getting righteous ownage from the police?
There aint no fuckin issues that justify this
Meadows said:No, there are a large amount of white youths in these gangs. Mostly wannabees but also chavs from around the estates.
Gang membership is equal opportunity in the UK
99% of the rioters in the pictures I'm seeing are black. Got any pics showing otherwise?
lopaz said:
The issue of not letting it get to this stage, looting is just opportunistic thieves after the fact. If there was no initial riot in the first place there would be no looting afterwards. Additionally we don't know if that gang members "ownage" was "righteous". Recent events have given me reason to seriously distrust the Metropolitan Police.
Why do you think there are gangs? Surely, I don't need to spell this out for you.
Xavien said:
Agree if you mean 'not letting it get to this stage' means not having taken in millions of immigrants from 3rd world countries over past few decades, and properly policing the riots to begin with via righteous ownage.
I do not agree that building expensive new shopping areas and youth centres is a pre-requisite to not having people of an area go apeshit and burn buildings. Plenty of poor people the world over do not burn buildings.
And true that the circumstances of Mark Duggan's killing are still somewhat unknown (though it seems pretty certain he is at least involved in gangs) - why then did people flip out and riot before knowing the facts?
J Tourettes
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I miss the :lol smiley at times like this.
zomgbbqftw
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Xavien said:
Apparently, but since the people in Tottenham have lived in the UK since the 60's, that argument doesn't hold water. The people rioting are British citizens regardless of their colour. Their parents may not have been born in this country, but they definitely were.
PJV3
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I like that former policeman on the news earlier "rioting is good fun and it's exciting, i can see why the kids do it" and "they won't get punished, the prisons and youth offender institutions are full". What kind of message was he sending out when he was head of community policing.
These youths are lost to the world I fear.
I've lived in East London in whole life - I used to speak with a broad cockney accent with plenty of yeah and innit peppered in. But there comes a point you look around you and realise, the people who get somewhere in life, just don't talk (or dress) in a certain way. So I made deliberate steps to get more educated and speak better. Infact I still get people say to me today that I don't sound like I'm from London. Basically, you don't have to be trapped by your surroundings, you can get out of it and improve your life, but it's up to the individual to have the desire to - and I get the feeling that these youths just don't have the desire. I really feel sorry for the White kids in such areas, the whole ghetto patois riddled gangaster cliche has ruined their futures as well - where 20 years ago they would have been cheeky cockney lads, now they are just poor carbon copy black gangsters with the same totally unemployable attitude and way of speaking as most of the young plastic gangster hoodies on show in the various videos of Saturday night.
Obviously, not every individual immigrant is to blame (nice try), but it is clearly immigrant populations causing the riots, and more broadly causing large areas of London to be complete shitholes.
It is nonsense to blame these riots on a 'lack of investment' or the tory cuts, or whatever other excuse turns the perpetrators into victims. Again, plenty of people are poor and manage not to throw firebombs.
It is nonsense to blame these riots on a 'lack of investment' or the tory cuts, or whatever other excuse turns the perpetrators into victims. Again, plenty of people are poor and manage not to throw firebombs.
Dabookerman
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Raydeen said:
Fucking Amen.
This is so fucking true and it's the reason I have no time or sympathy for this scum. I grew up on a poor-ass council estate and I used to skip school, shoplift, sit on the park drinking cider at 11. You just realise that you'll never have nice things like other people unless you A; steal them, with violence if necessary, or B; sort your life out. I chose the latter, fuck those that choose the former.Raydeen said:
Xavien said:
I will also add the biggest success we had in our comprehensive was a black kid who did so well at science and physics that he got to train at NASA for a while. It's not uncommon for Black parents now to send their school kids back to Barbados or Trinidad for a proper British education with an iron rod of discipline like the British schools of the 40's and 50's. Someone needs to take a really hard look why immigrants from Africa, Eastern Europe arrive with nothing, but find jobs immediately and make a success of themselves. My wife for example is from Asia, when she got her visa to come here, she popped into the local wetherspoons to ask about bar work in her first week (she lived her for 7 years in the early 90's studying) and started the following...
Even when I was unemployed in the past (the worst being for several years for medical reasons), I always made sure that I didn't just doss at home, but took every part time college course or government scheme I could get on to.
SmokyDave said:
Really, damn you learn something new every day.
I actually have some respect for rioters who chose a laptop...at least that might give them a view into a bigger world then their estates they rarely leave...smashing and burning down shops for a new pair of Nike or Addidas = DIE!!!!
Funky Papa
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This cider debate is making me wonder about the taste of the mytical nectar known as Buckfast. I have yet to try it, maybe Kentpaul could hook me up.
Raydeen said:
These people have no desire regardless of what culture they follow. Better schools with adequate funding to tackle these feelings of apathy would be a good start, as well as the parents limiting their poison to their children in regards to authority and entitlement. I've heard some awful reasoning to commit crime from people that genuinely believed they're owed luxuries. Because the government is "stealing" from them (they dont even work to pay taxes), its fine to rob others to survive.
SmokyDave said:
Really, damn you learn something new every day.
I actually have some respect for rioters who chose a laptop...at least that might get them surfing the internet and give them a view into a bigger world then their estates they rarely leave...smashing and burning down shops for a new pair of Nike or Addidas = DIE!!!!
zomgbbqftw
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Raydeen said:
eBay?
J Tourettes
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Funky Papa said:
I had some a couple of months back, horrible stuff, like syrup.
Dead Man Typing
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Funky Papa said:
Yeah, you don't want to do that.
Joel Was Right
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I'm getting tired of all these persecution by the police talk. These looters aren't doing it as defiance against the police but for no reason other than a high of looting and stealing in mass numbers whilst throwing bricks at windows. It's not like these idiots live in shanty towns - they're out to get trainers, video games, small electronics for themselves or to sell on the street. This has nothing to do with Duggan's shooting, so please stop talking about how protesters weren't given answers as if it is, and this has nothing to do with police-community relations; it is pure unadulterated opportunism to rob for the thrill of it.
Joel Was Right
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storafötter
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Raydeen said:
Ironically these brands stand for a lot of abuse and misery in the countries they make these products. I dont really care for their damages, they can handle it as they have actual blood on their hands. On the other hand civilians getting hurt is disgusting.
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