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London riots spreading through UK
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Jezbollah
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Cameron can do little to nothing about all this.
All the cutbacks to the Police have left them with little or no influence to do anything more than try and pick off a few of the rioters.. they cant wade into the big packs, because they dont have the numbers .The City Police Stations are aparently full so they are shipping the tiny amount they actually arrest over to stations outside the capital.
What actions the Police do are under a microscope, gagged by being politically correct in following the "rights" that these "protestors" have - and as a result are under the cloud of the impact of Ian Tomlinson's death whenever they want to go in with any harder actions and be physical.
If the Police have seen that it can only take one heat-of-the-moment shove to a person that may or may not be a rioter, and that person dies, and that officer ends up being charged with manslaughter, then what desire would any of the police facing crowds as ferile as we've seen have the motivation to go in and stop anything?
The only way to immediately stop all this, and to stop everyhing today would be to kick it off, China style and send the Army in - oh wait but they cant because they're being cut back and there's Afghanistan going on.. Even if the numbers of active soldiers in there were enough the likes of Amnesty International would go all Human Rights ape-shit.
What we need in this country is a National Guard. Soliders with the rights to crack skulls whose sole role is to maintain public order. Place an executive order in to create this group and pass through a law saying that if you are in the vicinity of Riots, you risk serious physical damage that will not be elegable for any kind of legal action by the protestor. And give the trigger for National Guard deployment when any riots start.
Any other kind of fix to do with repairing any kind of culture is years if not decades away, and has probably been set back further in the past week.
All the cutbacks to the Police have left them with little or no influence to do anything more than try and pick off a few of the rioters.. they cant wade into the big packs, because they dont have the numbers .The City Police Stations are aparently full so they are shipping the tiny amount they actually arrest over to stations outside the capital.
What actions the Police do are under a microscope, gagged by being politically correct in following the "rights" that these "protestors" have - and as a result are under the cloud of the impact of Ian Tomlinson's death whenever they want to go in with any harder actions and be physical.
If the Police have seen that it can only take one heat-of-the-moment shove to a person that may or may not be a rioter, and that person dies, and that officer ends up being charged with manslaughter, then what desire would any of the police facing crowds as ferile as we've seen have the motivation to go in and stop anything?
The only way to immediately stop all this, and to stop everyhing today would be to kick it off, China style and send the Army in - oh wait but they cant because they're being cut back and there's Afghanistan going on.. Even if the numbers of active soldiers in there were enough the likes of Amnesty International would go all Human Rights ape-shit.
What we need in this country is a National Guard. Soliders with the rights to crack skulls whose sole role is to maintain public order. Place an executive order in to create this group and pass through a law saying that if you are in the vicinity of Riots, you risk serious physical damage that will not be elegable for any kind of legal action by the protestor. And give the trigger for National Guard deployment when any riots start.
Any other kind of fix to do with repairing any kind of culture is years if not decades away, and has probably been set back further in the past week.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
The fuck! My parents live in Southampton.slothmeister said:okay seriously wtf is this:
So now these chav's are just doing it for ***** & giggles. Great! No doubt this will have calmed down by friday but just ridiculous
If you want to carry something in London the following are a good bet:
1 Meter of thick electrical cable (legal, great as a cosh, carry in a bag with some misc crap like bulbs and the police can't say shit)
Hairspray (in the eyes it's nasty, drys on the eyeballs, legal and good for a quick getaway)
Salt, again, thrown in the eyes, Doorman have sachets of McDonald's salt on them often
Bottle of water, take a swig, keep it in the mouth when you are approached and then spit in the eyes and leg it.
Essentially anything legal, carry a knife and you will get fucked, Police will be searching anyone in a small group / alone with a bag at a guess.
1 Meter of thick electrical cable (legal, great as a cosh, carry in a bag with some misc crap like bulbs and the police can't say shit)
Hairspray (in the eyes it's nasty, drys on the eyeballs, legal and good for a quick getaway)
Salt, again, thrown in the eyes, Doorman have sachets of McDonald's salt on them often
Bottle of water, take a swig, keep it in the mouth when you are approached and then spit in the eyes and leg it.
Essentially anything legal, carry a knife and you will get fucked, Police will be searching anyone in a small group / alone with a bag at a guess.
Mr. Luchador
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England game called off. Mastermind of the riots has been pictured:
HotHamWater
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PM statement isn't happening til 10:45, now.
Mecha_Infantry
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Sblargh said:
Hear hear
Mr. Luchador
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Should be two threads for this really - one for UK Gaffers to discuss things, and one for US Gaf to continuously ask the same questions over and over again.
Mr. Luchador
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daviyoung said:
Are you joking? Of course the news will mention this next year, it'll be just before the Olympics as they question security arrangements to ensure 'riots' don't happen.
Zenith said:
Why are you telling lies?
Here is the message i sent last night in regard to zenith calling me a chav
"are so hurt, i ain't no chav, the only time i came in contact with chavs was to buy weed, i no longer smoke weed.
I'm a nerd bro"
mods can feel free and go into my private message section and confirm my message.
being called a chav is a bad insult, anyway time to press on and watch BBC NEWS!
MarkMclovin
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SmokyDave said:
Only in Northern Ireland I think.
SmokyDave said:
Not sure, but ship them over?
I recall the SAS being used to fight a Prison Riot once (using batons iirc) in the 80's, might be a plan if they weren't all in Afghanistan. Hell that one guy who went into a cave with a knife and killed about 6 Taliban could sort the lot out at a guess...
FreeMufasa
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equap said:
this makes me angry!
I used to go past there everyday to work. Wow
zomgbbqftw
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PM on TV soon.
COME ON APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE CAMERON. DON'T BE A POSHO TORY, GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS!!!!!!!
COME ON APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE CAMERON. DON'T BE A POSHO TORY, GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS!!!!!!!
Goldrusher
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No watercannons because they don't have any ? What the fuck ? With such a history/culture of hooliganism England doesn't have watercannons ?!
Every other country has them and uses them immediately. Not after 4 days.
Teargas cannot be used because some of the criminals might have asthma ? Wtf ? They're lighting up rubber and plastic, surely they can handle teargas ?
Throw some cannisters in the crowds ffs.
No rubber bullets because they might cause injuries ? Who the fuck cares ? Shoot the scum. Here in Brussels they actually often use live ammo.
Every other country has them and uses them immediately. Not after 4 days.
Teargas cannot be used because some of the criminals might have asthma ? Wtf ? They're lighting up rubber and plastic, surely they can handle teargas ?
Throw some cannisters in the crowds ffs.
No rubber bullets because they might cause injuries ? Who the fuck cares ? Shoot the scum. Here in Brussels they actually often use live ammo.
Mr. Luchador
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Goldrusher said:
You're not from England are you?
Jezbollah
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Posted at the Guardian...
10.31am: A colleague has spoken to a police contact in London, who's told him that officers with no public order training are being asked to step into public order situations tonight.
Those with grade two training a two day course are being asked to don riot gear.
Sign of the severity of the situation.
Two day course and you're slung in front of rioters. Wow.
10.31am: A colleague has spoken to a police contact in London, who's told him that officers with no public order training are being asked to step into public order situations tonight.
Those with grade two training a two day course are being asked to don riot gear.
Sign of the severity of the situation.
Two day course and you're slung in front of rioters. Wow.
Your Excellency
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Kentpaul said:
Good lord.
radioheadrule83
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Blackface said:
British police do behave like this, but only when the people they are attacking are unarmed, unagressive liberals or students having a moan.
This country needs a war on scummy teenagers. Thats what I want to see come out of this. I want them hurt, I want them jailed, I want them hated and reviled. It should never pay to be a useless little cunt, and our media should stop making excuses for them.
I don't know but it would perhaps pay to plan a route home via West Bridgford way rather than the Meadows way.JMB said:
KP isn't quite the villain he's made out to be. He's certainly not the scum we're seeing on the streets. If you grow up in certain areas, you can't help but absorb certain characteristics via some sort of osmosis. I can come across as a polite chap but if I'm backed into a corner or particularly angry, you'll hear my thick poor-ass-kid Nottingham accent come out.Your Excellency said:
luckyarcher
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Kentpaul said:
now you're being a real whiny chav.
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