London riots spreading through UK
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Kentpaul said:
If you do exactly what the police say, don't run, don't attack them ... generally don't be a fucking moron to someone pointing an instant death machine at your head.
You won't ever be shot. End of story.
Kentpaul said:
Until the scum bag criminals get rid of their guns I'm more than happy for the Police to have fully armed swat squads.
Even if we could make every gun in the UK 'magically' dissapear, more will flood in. Then with the police unarmed who's going to stop them?
You haven't thought this through one single bit.
Nevermind the fact he 'looks' like scum - we all know that HE is scum. His appearance merely reaffirms my position on him and it simply isn't a surprise that he is a leading gangster and arms dealer.Dabanton said:
He shot a police officer. In return he was gunned down. Justice.
badcrumble
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Wouldn't 'justice' be arresting him, actually putting him on trial, et cetera? As opposed to, you know, an extrajudicial execution?
Zomba13 said:
a few months ago i was walking threw Glasgow airport and i seen a cop with a gun, i was so pissed off, fucking fear factor FTL
also criminals use knifes, you don't see police using knifes to combat criminals who use knifes.
I just hate guns people, I'm sorry if my opinion has stepped on some toes.
-viper- said:
So far all we have is the police version.
The first mistake people are making is to believe anything the police say about them firing their guns. Anyone remember what their story was when charles menezes was first shot...
Shall i refresh your memories.
They said he was wearing a heavy jacket and jumped over the barriers when challenged by armed officers. high ranking officers attempted to lie and muddy the waters when they knew what had really happened in the aftermath.The reality as seen on the CCTV which the police tried to withhold...was he walked calmly into the station and went down the escalator followed a min later by armed police who then proceeded to put multiple bullets in his head.
And then when they were shown to be lying attempted to smear his name. The police are known to close in and protect their 'own' when incidents like this occur.
I'm just saying don't take everything the police and press say at face value.
zomgbbqftw
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Kentpaul said:
True, but the criminals have them, so what to do? Get shot? Die? How many police officers should die in the line of duty vs these disgusting gangsters in your scenario before you rearm them, 10, 20, 100, 1000?
It is wholly unrealistic to expect the police to have no armed response unit, gangsters with guns would run amok with no worries about retribution.
I'm not in favour of giving beat bobbies handguns, but to not have an armed response unit would lead to a breakdown of law and order.
Kentpaul said:
Yeah, that's an airport, they are elite police officers used to combat terrorist threats. They aren't on the streets.
Knives are used in close quarters combat and a stab proof vest can be used to deflect it while you disarm the perpetrator. Guns are used from a distance and no amount of personal defence can be used to stop an attacker while he is disarmed.
travisbickle
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ClosingADoor said:
notable deaths by police officer shootings
Shot dead by police 30. Officers convicted 0
including: Pregnant hostage, Glaswegian painter and decorator, naked unarmed man, Brazilian tourist, mis-identified persons, couple of asian guys the police thought were terrorists, a couple of people who were wielding air pistols....
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Personally, and I'm from Sweden, I think that all "guns" apart from hunting rifles should be banned and set with pretty long prison sentences (~10 years). Police should need to fill in a form which needs to be processed if fire-arms should be allowed in field to deem the legal validity of using them.
So, in essence, no civilian should be allowed to carry or own a gun under any circumstances. Not even for collections or marksmanship training.
So, in essence, no civilian should be allowed to carry or own a gun under any circumstances. Not even for collections or marksmanship training.
zomgbbqftw
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kinoki said:
That is the law in the UK. The handguns the gangsters have aren't exactly what you would call legal.
kinoki said:
10 years for possession of the gun, and a life sentence for each bullet in the gun sounds about right.
Also stop giving police officers mp fucking 5's and standing in the airport waiting area.
Won't be to long till our trigger happy response units are shooting at kids who are playing with toy guns
we should also ban toy guns.
ClosingADoor
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Yes, mistakes are made and it is tragic.travisbickle said:
However, that is no reason to forbid police officers from carying guns. They need them, simply because there are criminals who are willing to kill people and need to be stopped.
It's an airport, they have guns at every airport in the world for security reasons. I don't see anything wrong with that.Kentpaul said:
And let the police use knifes? Are you serious? Should we bring swords and axes back also? It is much safer for a police officer to grab a gun, then a knife.
No one likes guns, but they are a necessary evil.
jufonuk
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Kentpaul said:
we should also ban drinking as this can cause violent Behavior, fuck ban Mcdonalds so the Chav's & Rudeboys have less places to hangout, hell ban violent TV. fuck it how long before Video games are blamed in the Riots somehow??
GTA, Saints Row,Red Steel 2 and Zelda I am Looking at you!!!....
Guardian Bob
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Huge over-reaction.
Kentpaul said:SMH, it breaks my fucking heart
30 deaths in 12 years breaks your heart?
Around 2,000 people are killed on the road every year. I'm surprised you can get out of bed from the weight of empathy on your shoulders.
This riot started because police shot and killed a known gangster who opened fire on them. If you think that's a justifiable reason for public unrest go join the riots yourself - or shut up.
Kentpaul said:
I've had conversations with a lot of people (in the USA) and most actually feel safer when there's armed police around. I feel the opposite, I keep my head on a swivel but seeing an armed policeman reminds me that there's a reason for him to hold a gun in an area that I'm also in. It's sort of unnerving.
zomgbbqftw
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jufonuk said:
Yes. SO19 are the special armed response unit.
The problem with gun crime in London is different to the US. About 40 or 50 people in a gang will share 1 gun and that's pretty hard to get rid of if you're the police as they hide it really well.
The way it generally works is that one group of a lot of people will have a gun and then you'll pay, say £50, to use it with 3 or 4 bullets, and then give it back to the guy who owns it.
I know this because it's how it works in Hull near me, but then again the guys are full of shit and are proper wannabe gangsters (apart from the Russian mafia which makes money off weed up there, some proper shady types I've run into around that business)
The way it generally works is that one group of a lot of people will have a gun and then you'll pay, say £50, to use it with 3 or 4 bullets, and then give it back to the guy who owns it.
I know this because it's how it works in Hull near me, but then again the guys are full of shit and are proper wannabe gangsters (apart from the Russian mafia which makes money off weed up there, some proper shady types I've run into around that business)
TheChewyWaffles
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Emily Chu said:
Why would it?
dreamcastmaster
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Meadows said:
Did you pull that stat out your ass?
Who's turn it it to have the gun today blud?
zomgbbqftw
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Dabanton said:Here is another picture of Mark Duggan
It's funny how such a simple thing can color your impression of what someone is. It's no surprise the media continuously uses the 'gangster' picture especially when their is a narrative to build..
I wonder whether those are the graves of his dead gang members...
jufonuk
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Sir Fragula said:
Me too, I personally love the fact that we in the UK don't need armed police to keep the peace (as a whole), the concept of armed police is totally alien to me, and I am thankful for that, i dread a society with fully armed police or Special Police (volunteers)
dreamcastmaster
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-viper- said:
yeah but the tax on alcohol in part pays for the NHS. What to do?
dreamcastmaster
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Meadows said:
Hull and Central London aren't really comparable.
jufonuk
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Meadows said:
I bet for the lower ranking guys, but the big shots (no pun intended) they would get there own, I can't find the link but there was a report in a paper about how easy it was to buy guns in CATFORD (SE London) how for about £500 you could get one easily, canot remember the link. scary part was me and my mates were trying to work out what pub it could've been (I don't want to buy a gun, I was jsut curious as didn't want to go in that pub [when I used to drink that was])
FreeMufasa
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dreamcastmaster said:
That's actually pretty accurate from what i've heard too.
SolidusDave
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Isn't it confirmed that he was a local firearms dealer?
He could look like Gandhi and even really be the victim of a trigger happy cop. He would still get zero sympathy from me simply because of his wrongdoings. He even had kids (several of course...), how could he not question his crimes.
He could look like Gandhi and even really be the victim of a trigger happy cop. He would still get zero sympathy from me simply because of his wrongdoings. He even had kids (several of course...), how could he not question his crimes.
dreamcastmaster said:
They're very similar in terms of gang structure and the such. Again. I promise you this is the case in London too.
But as other said, yes I suppose the super high ups might have someone with a gun with them, but they wouldn't carry it because it's too risky for them to do it themselves due to relatively harsh penalties on gun possession.
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