Lucasfilm finally announces Star Wars for Blu-ray
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Medalion said:
Visually. But our first real preview of Coruscant was in the Thrawn Trilogy
BocoDragon
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And even visually we saw Coruscant in games like Tie Fighter and Dark Forces.Anticitizen One said:
UltimaPooh
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ITT: Star Wars fans vs New Star Wars fans.
The changes made to the Original Trilogy were never needed. It would be like going back to Casablanca and taking the song "As Time Goes By" and replacing it with Ke$ha's "Tic Toc" to appeal to a modern day audience.
Also, it was never about recapturing the theatre experience when these movies first came out. It's about preserving art. I was born in 1984, so I can attest to never having seen them in the theatres.
The changes made to the Original Trilogy were never needed. It would be like going back to Casablanca and taking the song "As Time Goes By" and replacing it with Ke$ha's "Tic Toc" to appeal to a modern day audience.
Also, it was never about recapturing the theatre experience when these movies first came out. It's about preserving art. I was born in 1984, so I can attest to never having seen them in the theatres.
UltimaPooh said:
I dunno. Born in '72. I saw Episode IV 3 times when it came out. I think there's room for all of it. I wish Lucas would release the originals still, but I'm not dying without them.
I love Yub Nub, but there's room for the Toto version of the Ewok celebration.
XiaNaphryz
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They came out on DVD. They don't look as nice and cleaned up as the SEs, though.AlexMogil said:
Not even remotely as dumb or unnecessary as Lucas' edits.
I'd watch A New Hope: Revisited over the Special Edition any day. Empire Strikes Back: Revisited looks like it's going to be fantastic.
Link to the old Fan Edit Thread if anyone is interested.
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AlexMogil said:
I'll agree that some changes were okay. But they still weren't really needed.
The ending of ROTJ with the different planets was fine.
And the Jaba scene was fine.
Can't think of any others that would be okay.
I'm also fine with remastering the sound and effects.
UltimaPooh
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XiaNaphryz said:
They're the laser disc versions.
The original masters were destroyed (that we know of) I can't find the video but it's a documentary kind of thing that covers the special editions of the 90's. It talks about Lucas taking the masters and dipping them into some kind of acid wash to destroy the film on them, or something.
Also, the films are in Widesreen they just don't fit the 16X9 perspective and will be letter boxed, which is okay.
kame-sennin
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XiaNaphryz said:
This shit pisses me off. And Han's "floppy" arm makes it look like he is holding a real gun that is heavy, and that he's nervous for being shot at. But I guess these pricks know better. Fuck the fan revisions and fuck Lucas' special addition. The original theatrical releases exist in anamorphic widescreen. Just get those.
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kame-sennin said:
Where? (Legit sources, not rips of the DVDs that they modify for anamorphic and have shit resolution.)
kame-sennin
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PhoncipleBone said:
I don't really care about resolution, but the lazer disk versions are anamorphic I believe.
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BocoDragon said:
Coruscant also appeared in many of the comics before hand.
What Coruscant was supposed to look like was not a huge mystery as there was lots of concept art for the planet from way back during the original trilogy movies.
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jett said:
i remember reading when those movies came out that the visual effects software got good enough for those artists to run it on their laptops. and the way i read this article (which, i'm sure, you'll have to find for yourself) was that these dudes made the special edition from the decks of their hotel rooms while on vacation using their laptops. and i'm not exaggerating any of that.
it's been 13 years, but thats how i remember reading that article.
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kame-sennin said:
how's the resolution on the CED verison, guys?
PhoncipleBone
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kame-sennin said:
Nope. Good ole letterboxing. And you say you do not care about the resolution now, but think that the resolution of the image taken from the DVD would only be 720x240 or so for the picture area, since half the image is black bars.
PhoncipleBone
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Thinking of the abusive relationship syndrome, I think this decade of hate directed at Lucas would almost be completely erased if he gave us the original untouched versions. It would almost make up for the prequel films in many fans eyes.
BattleMonkey
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The SE's were also not the first revisions of the movies. The movies have undergone 3 revisions so far. Several years before the SE releases the whole trilogy was remastered as well as digitally enhanced. Lot of the effects were slightly altered, enhanced, and fixed for new video releases. If you ever watch any of the really old vhs copies for example, you can see halos around many of the ships for example where the ship model footage was imposed into the film, which is no longer visible in any current video release. Lot of other effects had other rough elements that over the years have been rubbed out. In ESB the cockpit views were nowhere as sharp looking and had strong black borders around the cockpit edges that were digitally removed.
No new material of course back then. The SE's then of course everyone knows. The DVD releases once again had them tweak much of the effects from the SE's. The whole Jabba scene from Ep.4 was once again redone.
They did, you can buy them on DVD now, didn't change a thing.
No new material of course back then. The SE's then of course everyone knows. The DVD releases once again had them tweak much of the effects from the SE's. The whole Jabba scene from Ep.4 was once again redone.
PhoncipleBone said:
They did, you can buy them on DVD now, didn't change a thing.
PhoncipleBone
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It only pissed people off more because it came as a double dip and were crappy rips from the Laserdisc. If he had gone back and done full restorations on the originals and made them anamorphic, that would have changed a lot of people's opinions.BattleMonkey said:
Takeda Kenshi
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As much as I'd love to see the OT without the mangling, George has said time and time again that he would never do that. So save yourself the heartache and simply forget that these exist.
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PhoncipleBone said:
For the majority of the general fans/consumers, I really doubt they cared or noticed.
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I'd buy this even if it had the 1997 Special Editions. In fact, I want those. In spite of Greedo shooting first, those tastefully added stuff in without going overboard like adding goddamned Hayden in Episode VI.
BocoDragon
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Oh right.. I remember all those Ralph McQuarrie "Art of Star Wars" books and such.BattleMonkey said:
At the time Coruscant had this interesting allure because, even though it was the most important planet of the Empire, we never actually went there in the films.
By the time we did go there in the prequels, it was happy Republic Coruscant. The dark "Empire" version still has an allure in the back of my mind...
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Because it was a quiet release over a year after the box set that got all the marketing and hype. And sales.BattleMonkey said:
And general fans/consumers would not really care what version they get, as long as it is Star Wars.
I was a big fan of Star Wars until the prequels came out. I remember sitting at the end of ep. 3 and thinking "Man, George Lucas sucks at telling stories now." Then I thought, "what if he's always sucked and now I'm just noticing because I don't have nostalgia glasses on?"
I've been too afraid to watch the original trilogy since. Better to leave it alone and have fond memories.
I've been too afraid to watch the original trilogy since. Better to leave it alone and have fond memories.
PhoncipleBone
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ronito said:
No, watch them. They still hold up today.
BattleMonkey
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Depends on how serious you take your movies. One of the worst things people do is take Star Wars too seriously.
Star Wars was and always will be in large part a Fantasy universe, in many aspects more so than sci fi. Also Star Wars was largely rooted in Pulp adventure mythos. It wasn't meant to be taken super seriously, it's adventure, larger than life heroes, it's meant to just be fun.
Star Wars was and always will be in large part a Fantasy universe, in many aspects more so than sci fi. Also Star Wars was largely rooted in Pulp adventure mythos. It wasn't meant to be taken super seriously, it's adventure, larger than life heroes, it's meant to just be fun.
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BattleMonkey said:
Yup. But when there was drama (hello, Empire Strikes Back) it worked because you took it seriously enough. It goes back to Roger Ebert's saying: "It isn't what the movie is about, but how it is about it."
BocoDragon
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I remember thinking the same thing in 2004 before the DVDs came out. I hadn't seen anything of Star Wars for the previous 5 years besides Episode I and II.ronito said:
Then me and my friend watched the DVDs.... "ohhhh... these ARE actually better".
There are a whole lot of questionable things, especially in Jedi and with the SE editions... but damn if the underlying stories aren't better, the acting is much, much better, the heros are so much better.
PT might cause you to see the OT in a 'different light'... but still, it's clear as day that the OT are much better, wonderful films.
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ronito said:
Star Wars and Empire were on a different level than Return anyhow, especially Empire. Just watch them.
BocoDragon
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Quite agree.BattleMonkey said:
There are people who think Star Wars is supposed this dark gritty sci fi and it constantly frustrates them.
They are homages to silly matinee serials like Buck Rogers. Many later generations have mistakenly attributed the wacky retro look of the movies to the zeitgeist of the late 70s and early 80s... but what they don't realize is that even back then they were self consciously "retro" space operas. (owing to the 1930s really)
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I hope this isn't a bit of a cop-out. If they release everything they have, I'll be a happy camper though. I really want a mega box-set.
Just to list off the changes I liked and the ones that annoyed me in the special edition.
A New Hope
- Jabba scene looks terrible and is more distracting then necessary
- Greedo shoots first is bad
- On the plus side there were some nice effects added in certain scenes that were not distracting
Empire
- I could take or leave the extended Yeti scene. I do not think the changes really match up with the original and so it is a bit distracting.
Return of the Jedi
- The Jabba Palace dance sequence is the worst change in the entire trilogy. Bad CG, a terrible song, and it changes or replaces characters that looked fine in their day and still hold up. It is just silly crap.
- I have no problem with Hayden ghost at all. The original actor does not make sense in that scene because he never grew up to look like that, and it does not make sense to have him look like albino Vader either. It works and I have no problem with it.
- While the Yub Yub song was always silly, that was how the trilogy ended, and they replaced it with something that was equally not epic and out of place so why even bother. That is probably nostalgia more then anything else, but I liked it as a kid and had no problem with it as I grew older.
- Weesa free! Fuck that shit.
A New Hope
- Jabba scene looks terrible and is more distracting then necessary
- Greedo shoots first is bad
- On the plus side there were some nice effects added in certain scenes that were not distracting
Empire
- I could take or leave the extended Yeti scene. I do not think the changes really match up with the original and so it is a bit distracting.
Return of the Jedi
- The Jabba Palace dance sequence is the worst change in the entire trilogy. Bad CG, a terrible song, and it changes or replaces characters that looked fine in their day and still hold up. It is just silly crap.
- I have no problem with Hayden ghost at all. The original actor does not make sense in that scene because he never grew up to look like that, and it does not make sense to have him look like albino Vader either. It works and I have no problem with it.
- While the Yub Yub song was always silly, that was how the trilogy ended, and they replaced it with something that was equally not epic and out of place so why even bother. That is probably nostalgia more then anything else, but I liked it as a kid and had no problem with it as I grew older.
- Weesa free! Fuck that shit.
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The guy made some dumb changes, but I'm not opposed to fixing continuity errors as long as the restored by otherwise unaltered originals are released.jett said:
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