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Mad Men - Season 7, Part 2 - The End of an Era - AMC Sundays

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wedward

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hamchan said:
God I just thought of a depressing thing. Don went to visit Betty and his kids because he knows that's the last time he'll ever see them.
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I don't think this is it. He went to Betty's because he was supposed to pick up Sally and take her back to school.

He was headed back toward Manhattan, but made a last second decision to take the 95 toward Penn/NJ.
 
stn

stn

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I don't think the point of his visit to Betty's house was that he knew it'd be the last time he saw her and the kids. I think it was more to show that his presence wasn't needed anymore, to show that he had nowhere to go. Betty is no longer vulnerable and childish, Sally is independent, and Bobby and Eugene are just being kids.
 
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Mr. Saturn

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Dany said:
Yo. We need 1 more Peggy and Don scene before this is all over.

I need this.
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I know we already got this in the third episode this season but I really want to see a Don and Sally scene something more substantial than the one we got in the third episode. I know they were in the restaurant together but they barely had any sort of interaction and the interaction they did have at the bus stop felt too brief.

I do wonder though if the scene I mentioned will be the last scene with Don and Sally, I hope there will be at least one more significant scene with them though.

I don't need the scene to be sweet or anything like that, I wouldn't be opposed to that provided it wasn't saccharine or at least too saccharine, I just think such a scene would be interesting especially given we're right at the end.
 
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Pryce

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Possible big spoilers/connecting the dots/speculation.

Mad Men was seen being filmed in Big Sur last year. At least a couple of scenes. One could also (possibly see) Sally with Don. Take into account Sally saying "What are you doing here?" to the camera last week, the series could very well end with a Don and Sally scene. Maybe to visit Anna's daughter since she was spotted on the Mad Men set at the same time last season when they filmed in Northern California. Maybe Don takes Sally to see Anna's daughter. That would be an emotional ending.
 
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real_slime

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Nameless said:
It only lasted a few seconds, and not a word was said, but Ted's genuine smile and slight chuckle when he realizes what Don is doing was an amazing moment and perfect way to cap off their relationship.
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Yeah, I enjoyed this. I've always liked Ted, but he's happy being a middle of the ladder kind of guy. A steady guy. He probably admires Don's extreme nature from afar, and I liked how he knew right away and didn't look worried when Don got up and left. He knew he wasn't just going to the bathroom. 'Don's fuckin outta here.' he thought.
 
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Cornballer

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- Tom & Lorenzo: Mad Style: Lost Horizon

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Everyone out of my way. It’s my first day on my new job.

No perfectly put-together and professional suits here. She went for a sassy little dress (complete with a row of Pussy Power buttons) instead because Roger Sterling gave her permission to stop worrying about what others think of her. And of course, it’s got her signature power color, that mustard yellow, which has been a consistent motif for her going all the way back to Day One of her career:

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Kick ass, Peggy. Kick ass.

And as Peggy navigates the tight hallways of McCann Erickson and embraces her future
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Linius

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Peggy rollerskating with Sterling in the background was beautiful. And then they top that shot with Peggy walking down the hallway. Incredible.
 
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Mr. Saturn

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The Horror the horror said:
I sincerely hope the writers don't pull the karma angle and have Don finally "answer" for his years of reckless and immoral behavior.

Let the man go out on top!
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He's already paid for his years of reckless and immoral behavior, he's alone and unhappy. I don't think we're gonna see him lose all of his money and become homeless but he's already suffered consequences for his behavior.
 
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JTripper

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Just listened to Don McLean's "American Pie", and thought it would be the perfect song to play during the credits of the final episode.
 
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snoopeasystreet

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The final song is obviously going to be Fortunate Son playing as Glen looks at and then folds away a picture of the Draper family while hanging out the door of a Huey in Vietnam.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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I'd call Gimme Shelter before I called American Pie.

And being cliche/corny/overused doesn't take a song off the table. We JUST had an episode end with Space Oddity, after all.
 
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Dany

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Cornballer said:
- Tom & Lorenzo: Mad Style: Lost Horizon
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We haven’t seen her wear a dress that eye-popping or focus-pulling (not to mention tight) since that first humiliating meeting at McCann. Joan does not do these things accidentally (nor does Janie Bryant). As politically incorrect as it may be to point this out, when Joan came up against male chauvinism and needed to combat it, her first impulse was to put on a tight dress and ask some men for help. This is one of several reasons why we think Peggy will do better at McCann than Joan did. She has a better developed set of tools for dealing with things. Joan’s ways have always been the old ways and even now, with all the changes in her life, she reverts to them when she’s in trouble. After all, the most consistent repeating costume motif for Joan has always been roses on a black background. There was a time when it clearly evoked romantic and sexual disappointment in her life, but by now, it merely signals the shit she constantly has to put up with from men. She wore a very similar dress last season when it became clear just how much she hated Don at the time.
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FLAWLESS COSTUMING
 
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Cornballer

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AMC vids:
- Talked About Scene
- Promo for next week's episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)


Articles:
- THR: 'Mad Men': Did We Just Witness (or Miss) Don Draper's Last Face-to-Face Moments With Favorite Characters? (Tim Goodman on the end of MM)
- NY Mag: Interview with Semi Chellas, who co-wrote "Lost Horizon" with Matt Weiner
- THR: 'Mad Men' Director Dissects Don's "Now or Never" Moment in "Lost Horizon"
Two of the seemingly more pivotal moments in the episode are just shots of Don's view out of the window. Can you speak about that?

I refer to that as one of these classic Mad Men scenes. Every moment of that was scripted, and it's all about Don and his internal thoughts. What can we do to manifest and bring those out? He's sitting in a room with all of those creative directors. He's just one of so many. And that notion of being a cog in the wheel instead of being a real creative person at a creative agency is what that was all about. The idea of them flipping their notebooks open and picking up their pens at precisely the same time, in front of their boxed lunches, Don notes all of that. It was about finding that moment where he realizes, "I can't do this. I'm not doing this." He looks out that window and sees that plane go by the Empire State Building. It gives him this notion of "now or never." It's freedom. Let's go.

And it's not the first time he's pulled something like that.

It's not all that crazy for Don. Roger even notes that he does that all of the time. But what I loved most about it is that Chaough [Kevin Rahm] is the only one in the room who notes [that Don] leaves. That reaction we got from Kevin as he turned around had that gobsmacked look of, "Son of a bitch, he made it." He broke for the fence in the yard, and he got over it. He knew exactly what was going on.
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big ander

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I don't see Gimme Shelter or American Pie happening. that's all there is reprise is more likely, though I suspect Weiner will send us out with something unexpected and perfect
The Horror the horror said:
I sincerely hope the writers don't pull the karma angle and have Don finally "answer" for his years of reckless and immoral behavior.

Let the man go out on top!
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Mad Men has never been so boringly reductive a show that the possible outcomes are exclusively limited to "goes out on top" or "karma gets 'im"

neither will happen
 
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Keri

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phanphare said:
maybe Joan's reputation precedes her. you'd have to think somebody like Jim Hobart would have heard rumblings about her shenanigans with Jaguar.
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He seemed to think she'd inherited her shares of SCP, so it doesn't seem like he knew the real reason she earned her partnership, but even so, Joan was always doomed, because she was positioned too high at SCP. Hobart wasn't going to let that stand at McCann. Peggy will be better off there, but it's not because she's better suited to survive, it's because she's already lower on the ladder and she can wait them (and the times) out.
 
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Rug Monkey

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BobbyRoberts said:
I'd call Gimme Shelter before I called American Pie.

And being cliche/corny/overused doesn't take a song off the table. We JUST had an episode end with Space Oddity, after all.
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Yeah ...it's 1969 ... 46 years old, as is Gimme Shelter, American Pie is 44.

Now that IS depressing :)

Also I thought Don's wry smile and leaving the Miller meeting was because the Research/Stats guy was the one giving a perfect Don Draper style pitch.

Also the 'tentacle porn' is actually a Hokusai.
 
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snoopeasystreet

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And it's not the first time he's pulled something like that.

It's not all that crazy for Don. Roger even notes that he does that all of the time. But what I loved most about it is that Chaough [Kevin Rahm] is the only one in the room who notes [that Don] leaves. That reaction we got from Kevin as he turned around had that gobsmacked look of, "Son of a bitch, he made it." He broke for the fence in the yard, and he got over it. He knew exactly what was going on.
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That's not how I read Ted's reaction at all. I assumed Ted was smiling because he thought Don couldn't hack it in the meeting while he was already acclimatised to the McCann style. It seemed more of a smug "you're not the big fish any more" kind of smile.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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snoopeasystreet said:
That's not how I read Ted's reaction at all. I assumed Ted was smiling because he thought Don couldn't hack it in the meeting while he was already acclimatised to the McCann style. It seemed more of a smug "you're not the big fish any more" kind of smile.
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I think Ted has made peace with Don long ago. He was genuinely sorry to be go to California last episode.

That Mad Style article is one of their best. They're always great, but that one was out of the park.

I loved the Roger and Peggy scene and they nicely captured how complex the emotions in it were.
 
The Elite

The Elite

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snoopeasystreet said:
That's not how I read Ted's reaction at all. I assumed Ted was smiling because he thought Don couldn't hack it in the meeting while he was already acclimatised to the McCann style. It seemed more of a smug "you're not the big fish any more" kind of smile.
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I didn't read it as smug at all.
 
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Paganmoon

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RE: Don leaving the meeting, I think it told you a lot just that no one noticed/commented that he left the meeting. It really hammered the point that he's really just one of many at McCann.
 
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Dany

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Meh, I don't really see any significance with no one noticing Don leaving, just that they didn't want to disrespect the Miller guy or whomever.
 
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