I'd argue he jumped on a Darryl bandwagon and tried to become a co-founder to a Kark bandwagon but it's a fair thought.
Since you asked me earlier, I may as well return the favor. Who do you think you will be voting for?
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I'd argue he jumped on a Darryl bandwagon and tried to become a co-founder to a Kark bandwagon but it's a fair thought.
Since you asked me earlier, I may as well return the favor. Who do you think you will be voting for?
You're good man, tides ebb and flow. There's plenty of time.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Fuck you Sorian, I backed off.
Eh, I don't know. In my experience the people getting their point across, pushing new things forward, even if they're wrong, are usually town. Mafia usually like to pick, choose, and follow.
I know, which makes me more confident in my batsnacks guess. If you are scum then you are also a fantastic actor.
I'd argue that you did pick, choose, and follow. Even if Launch was just naturally faster, he was the one that pushed new things forward.
Blargonaut
Banned
We should fight more.
Fight with me on why I should lynch Launch instead of batsnacks.
Bat, I feel like you slipped up when you tried to discredit Sorian's ideas. You lashed back with some dubious logic, whether that was because you didn't understand or some other reason, all I can say is it put you in a bad spot and made you look overly defensive/paranoid. To me at least. Even after your clarifications, I would've replied exactly as I did then.
What do you feel other than the Kark bandwagon you've pushed forward today? I felt you had a strong game before, but somehow it just felt apart. This is like the third time you claim you've been pushing forward new ideas and being pro-town, but it's such an empty statement.
What do you feel other than the Kark bandwagon you've pushed forward today? I felt you had a strong game before, but somehow it just felt apart. This is like the third time you claim you've been pushing forward new ideas and being pro-town, but it's such an empty statement.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I think batsnacks is a mislynch, but who's going to talk you guys down.
I'm "aggressive". I'm "tunneling". I'm "angry".
I'm starting to feel a lot like Darryl at this point.
I'm "aggressive". I'm "tunneling". I'm "angry".
I'm starting to feel a lot like Darryl at this point.
I'll admit to it. I'm doing the same thing. But I have yet to really see a shred of reason (apart from not lynching cabbeh today, but I was already thinking that) from batsnacks that would make me think otherwise.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Okay I'll accept that, but it's an interesting change from pushing for a vote to pushing against one.
I said before cabbeh's role claim my main candidates were batsnacks and Karkador. I haven't seen anything since to change my mind but batsnacks' defence of cabbeh has made him more suspicious.
Aggressive and angry are good. The tunneling was just funny, it was nice seeing what I was like in ONUW 3. Talk to me about why you think batsnacks is a mislynch.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I just don't see it. Can you stack up what you have against him for me, a cliff notes? Im on my phone and I can't look back.
So, the defense of cabbeh can easily be a pro-town and anti-town move. Why do you see it as scummy behavior?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Also, for what it's worth, batsnacks said a lot of what I was going to about cabbeh. Can I snake out of making that lengthy post? lol
Give me like a half hour or so and I'll give something meatier, I'll actually be at home and can probably put my words down better than when I'm at work.
I am certain I pushed new, important things regarding Kark. Launch agreed a few times, I don't really feel like finding that stuff unless I need to. I guess what I want you to focus on is that I have been hard pushing an agenda today that I think is believably pro-town. If I am mafia I am not pushing things so passionately.
A lot of what I've said today has been Kark related, but other than that I can think of my pressure and reassessment of Darryl, my town read on Blarg, my hard defense of cabbeh... There's probably been other stuff but I've posted over 100 times in this thread by now so it's hard to remember everything I've said. Like I said to Sorian you just need to notice that I have been pushing things I believe are right, and doing so passionately. That alone should be enough.
Really? Not even a shred of reason? That's pretty cold, man.
I am back! And now my finger hurts from swiping down! Thanks for that! And typing this on mobile takes so long that there will probably be a new page for me to read after posting this. Also, I do not have access to my notes on mobile, so this will be a quick and dirty post right from my brain.
-cabbah claims miller, a kind of handicap role.
I like cabbeh, I had him as town in my list. I also believe his role claim. A mafia member will fake role claim miller if he is afraid to be targeted by the cop, and I don't think the cop had cabbeh in his sight. There are way better targets like kark, batsnacks, Darryl and salvapot to target instead of cabbeh. If he was Mafia he would be Putting himself in the spotlight for no reason.
-let our cop check if he returns NFA.
Why? What would that achieve? He returns NFA, now what, we still don't know if he is a miller or mafia. Would be a waste of a cop action IMO.
-cabbeh is secretly a hunter that wants to get lynched to do.......yeah, what exactly?
I do not buy this one bit. Why the hell would he do this on day one when we were still discussing who to Lynch? No, just no.
- should we lynch cabbeh?
This is an hard one. I still believe he is town, but he will be viewed as suspicious from here on out. That makes him less useful if he is town, but if he is Mafia he now has a spotlight on him and can't do much either. But i still think he is town, and a very good one too. I am open to Lynch him for info, but would rather wait until we have a day with less good lynch candidates like kark and bat, which I both suspect of being scum, than to now lynch somebody I still see as town.
My current Lynch preference:
Kark>batsnacks>cabbeh.
Man, typing a big post on mobile sucks shit.
-cabbah claims miller, a kind of handicap role.
I like cabbeh, I had him as town in my list. I also believe his role claim. A mafia member will fake role claim miller if he is afraid to be targeted by the cop, and I don't think the cop had cabbeh in his sight. There are way better targets like kark, batsnacks, Darryl and salvapot to target instead of cabbeh. If he was Mafia he would be Putting himself in the spotlight for no reason.
-let our cop check if he returns NFA.
Why? What would that achieve? He returns NFA, now what, we still don't know if he is a miller or mafia. Would be a waste of a cop action IMO.
-cabbeh is secretly a hunter that wants to get lynched to do.......yeah, what exactly?
I do not buy this one bit. Why the hell would he do this on day one when we were still discussing who to Lynch? No, just no.
- should we lynch cabbeh?
This is an hard one. I still believe he is town, but he will be viewed as suspicious from here on out. That makes him less useful if he is town, but if he is Mafia he now has a spotlight on him and can't do much either. But i still think he is town, and a very good one too. I am open to Lynch him for info, but would rather wait until we have a day with less good lynch candidates like kark and bat, which I both suspect of being scum, than to now lynch somebody I still see as town.
My current Lynch preference:
Kark>batsnacks>cabbeh.
Man, typing a big post on mobile sucks shit.
TheGoddamn
Member
I'm sorry; things continue to pile up at work and at school, plus I took my girlfriend to the clinic earlier. This is the first time I'm able to post, now that I'm about to grab an hour or two of sleep (at 0540h).
There are twice as many pages as there were when I last checked in! I'm really glad you're all having fun, hahaha. If I can't catch up before this day ends, I'm going to need to ask for a replacement. Got to let go of something : (
There are twice as many pages as there were when I last checked in! I'm really glad you're all having fun, hahaha. If I can't catch up before this day ends, I'm going to need to ask for a replacement. Got to let go of something : (
Lone_Prodigy
Member
As someone pointed out, cabbeh and Kark's situations are somewhat similar, yet batsnacks is pushing to lynch one but not the other. His reversal is interesting to see.
Kark pointed that out and he's provably wrong. A miller and an ordinary town are completely different.
(re Kark says a miller claim and an ordinary town claim are pretty much the same thing):
Lone_Prodigy
Member
By someone I meant Karkador. I should've just read the top of the page.
I dislike this reasoning. Scum know how to act like town. Let your actions speak for yourself. Don't tell us "but guys I'm acting pro-town".
I dislike this reasoning. Scum know how to act like town. Let your actions speak for yourself. Don't tell us "but guys I'm acting pro-town".
That reasoning is solid. Mafia does not have a reason to push any agenda as hard as I've pushed most of mine. They can just choose what to follow, they do not need to be as vocal as I am.
I'm glad you have some faith in me roy, good old fashioned fox hunting love.
I will counter your first point, by bringing up my post again. A mafia may fake role claim miller if he is afraid to be targeted by the cop, but a miller would do exactly the same thing. I made the point in my reveal, I initially decided to try the 'Keep quiet, don't attract suspicion' route, all that did was paralyze me with posting and attracted suspicion anyway. I still think I was a good shout for a cop (maybe not N1, but after). What I read said you either claim Miller D1 or you don't claim at all. I decided after my performance up until the reveal that claiming was the best option.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Kark, where is your guilt-tripping of people if they mislynch batsnacks?
People have to take responsibility! This administration will advocate accountability!
People have to take responsibility! This administration will advocate accountability!
I already said if I'm wrong I'll totally revisit the Kark thing.
Or you could... you know... revisit it now without risking being wrong ever!
Nah.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
No m8, if you mislynch you die. Weren't you paying attention?
This thinking worries me. You're placing too much importance on activity IMO. Scum can just as easily act as "leaders" and thinking this way is pretty much that same as granting them immunity. I don't like how heavily you're relying on this part of your argument.
You want to vote for me next day? Ok.
You're in a dangerous place! As far as I know and as far as you've said, you've received responses to all of your grievances about my play.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Lol Ouro pls you're tunneled in like a mole
Oh shit, you saw that part of the contract?!?
Long-ish post to follow, should maybe answer some of my thoughts to you Launch.
I'll take it
I already admitted to that. But give me a reason to disbelieve.
Before I start that long post though, this is bullshit, clear cut. Scum is not some stupid entitiy that has to play the same way every time. Scum can hide out amongst everyone else doing "pro-town" things all day long and according to you, they'd be basically immune. I don't buy that.
Scum can -not- just as easily act as "leaders." At least I can't, and I know for a fact most people I have played with can't. And It's d1 what else can I do? Other than push what I believe is good for town. Seriously? You're falling into confirmation bias at this point.
You apparently never watched our previous games
"Confirmation bias"
"I know for a fact most people I have played with..."
True, but this is how I see it: there was some, but not a huge risk of you being targeted by the cop.
Now, if you are town, that bit of fear for the cop could be enough to claim. You may get lynched, but your team would only lose a "handicapped" player, one of the (probably) 12.
Now, if you are Mafia, that claim would be a waaaaay bigger deal. You risk losing (probably) 1/3 of your team, a huge blow.
So the way I see it a real miller would need less cop heat to force a claim than a fake mafia miller, that would take more cop heat because what they put on the line is bigger.
Maybe it's too broad a generalization because there are people that as mafia push agendas very aggressively. I just don't know why you'd want to lynch someone d1 who is pushing things forward. In my experience you keep those people around because at least they are being active and doing what town needs to do to win, if they are town. Maybe they are really good and faking it but you still don't just assume that without really good reasons (that you won't get d1).
I know you're in the middle of defending yourself so it's understandable that you're on the defensive, but all I did was point out something that worries me about your argument and that I find well worth discussing. No idea where you're getting the confirmation bias from. And I still dislike people pulling the "experienced player" card. I've certainly never seen anyone suggest "leading" players should be granted immunity even during D1, and I'm not about to start taking you at your word.
This is my first game on neogaf so when speaking of experience I only have games on other forums. In most of my games on other forums, a huge majority of people can not lead the thread as mafia.
I suggest the Danganronpa thread. Look for our fearless moderator.
I suggest the Danganronpa thread. Look for our fearless moderator.
I mean I can cite examples of highly skilled mafia players on other sites leading threads and dominating games. I had one game where a guy claimed miller d1 as mafia, went on to lynch all of his team mates, and rode that insane town cred to a victory. You only have my word but that is -not- me.
We have a lot of inexperienced players here (for example: ME!) that are very likely to follow a player they see as having a lot of experience. If such an experienced player is Mafia, I totally see him/her lead a thread as mafia.
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