LaunchpadMcQ
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Still waiting for Fireblend's flavor.
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[Mafia] NX Launch Night |OT| Back of the Line!
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Then we should kill him
Great talk.
Please, we both know Blarg is much smarter than we all want to pretend. This was a calculated move, we just need to know the motivation.
Being right about one thing does not make you right about everything else you have to say in the thread. I am looking at the big picture, this course of action has the best chance of giving us the most info on NFA.
Tell me a single scenario is witch Blargonaut is not NFA.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Which scenario is this?
Also, I just meant protection in the general sense, not necessarily for just this coming phase. You're thinking like we have to bust this wide-open in the next 5 minutes, but I can guarantee you this is not going to go the way you're envisioning it.
People get busy on the weekends *shrug*
Regardless of what Blarg will be, he's not town right now. He has said as much.
He's telling the truth? That means that tonight he would be taking one member away from the NFA team and adding one member to the fun team. That's a single scenario. It's not fair to say he is useless just because he is a "lost member" to your team.
As for the protection point. I know and I also know that we aren't going to solve this in 5 minutes but fun team isn't exactly in the best position to be making wait and see plays anymore. The advantage is not with you guys.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
It's not to say that he is useless, but his ability would be better suited on someone we can verify is scum. However, he's deadset on something that just isn't true and there's no way of changing his mind.
halp pls
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
RE: scenario, what if I'm switched? Then you won't have jack.
...so his only scenario is him proving himself by killing someone else?
We don´t need him. We have no way to prove he becomes town. We have no way to prove he will sacrifice himself. You are putting too much faith on Blarg and we don´t need too.
You are willing to sacrifice Launch? Then you should be able to sacrifice Blarg. Except is something we can do TODAY on our OWN TERMS.
Come on now, are you really trusting one scenario? Odds, is what I am saying. Odds.
Tell me if I understand the thrust of th ecurrent conundrum after reading about 5 posts.
Fireblend was caught with his hands in the cookie jar by a watcher role watching a person who died and then claimed he was a switcher switching people out and stuff and now blarg is claiming he can redirect the night kill and he wants to redirect it onto fireblend?
Fireblend was caught with his hands in the cookie jar by a watcher role watching a person who died and then claimed he was a switcher switching people out and stuff and now blarg is claiming he can redirect the night kill and he wants to redirect it onto fireblend?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
VOTE: Blargonaut
What switcher if Fire happens to be telling the truth? I also asked everyone to do exactly what they did last night, that's a part of my plan and I think only NFA would ignore me but I doubt they have a switcher.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
He wants to redirect it on to me because of some stupid vendetta he's had since day 1.
Blargonaut is supposedly mafia, but gets to turn into town if he uses his ability twice.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Then if you admit there's a chance he could be the switcher, why the hell are we doing this? This plan is even more likely to fuck up than lynching Blargonaut.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
With as stupid a game as this has been with regards to roles, I'm more inclined to believe that everyone is telling the truth right now, until I see some semblance of cohesiveness.
First sorian makes a soft claim that ouro was supposed to confirm, but ouro died.
Then burb tells us he observed Ouro and both Fireblend and Sorian visited him.
Then Sorian claims, saying he gave a "cow lick" to ouro, since his neutral win condition is licking all other players, licking is innofensive. He also said his command failed, possibly because Ouro died.
Then Fire explains (Poorly) that he is a switcher and he switched sorian with ouro. That is also a reason why the lick command failed, because sorian licked himself. This makes it likely that a fourth person targeted sorian but killed ouro instead, explaining why, maybe burb didn´t see the killer. Of course at this point Fire is the main suspect because Sorian claimed first.
Then Blargonaut claimed he has an NFA lightning rod ability that makes a NFA kill command to affect whoever he want and he directed it to Sorian, so Sorian was supposed to die instead of Ouro, but he also says his ability is so that if he is able to succesfuly redirect said kills, he becomes town-aligned. Also, in the case he targets a NFA member, they both die.
This are the claims.
Sure, there's a chance you could be scum too and Blarg is right and you want to kill him before he proves it. I'm playing the odds here.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Yeah, but the odds are against Fireblend and for Blarg, is my point.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Also, I randomly ask people to watch my stuff during the night. It's stupid and I hate it.
What exactly does your role do? It was not clear to me.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I just wish the OP had links to day begin/end
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177579176&postcount=2463
Spread around misinformation. It gives the watcher or whoever else watches for activity a report that says I visited a player. It's irrelevant to the current situation, but it's something that I should have shared first thing yesterday.
I just wish the OP had links to day begin/end
I'll add them in a minute!
Even though there'd only be like 2. it's finding them that's the issue.
I don't think there's any reason to keep Fireblend alive. It's possible he's telling the truth but the sequence of events is convenient and plays to known information and reads like a mafia trying to save his own skin.
I am also a big fan of de-blarging all games as soon as possible so.... ehhh?
but can I ask you guys a question, ignoring blarg and fireblend for the time being, forgetting that they even exist, who are your top 2 town, and top 2 scum right now? give reasons.
I don't think there's any reason to keep Fireblend alive. It's possible he's telling the truth but the sequence of events is convenient and plays to known information and reads like a mafia trying to save his own skin.
I am also a big fan of de-blarging all games as soon as possible so.... ehhh?
but can I ask you guys a question, ignoring blarg and fireblend for the time being, forgetting that they even exist, who are your top 2 town, and top 2 scum right now? give reasons.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Top Town
1) SalvaPot - He's been level-headed so far. Don't have much else to say.
2) Lone_Prodigy - him using his ability was basically a confirmation he was town.
Top Scum
1) Blargonaut - No contest. This guy wants me dead for no reason. We know he's at least scum right now.
2) Timeasis - Far too complacent. Only chimes in once in awhile and he's too agreeable.
The problem is not with keeping Fireblend alive, is keeping Blargonaut alive. His plan is too kill launchpad to prove he is playing for the interest of town, so basically he want us to give him total control of the night due to the lighting rod ability he claims of having.
What I have been saying for a while is that is better to lynch blarg now, because the role he claims to have is dangerous. If he is telling the truth about the lighting rod, there is no warranty he is actually not playing for the NFA interests. If he is lying, then he is trying to protect someone else, but that too can be easier to pinpoint by lynching him and revealing his role.
With Fireblend, at best we get a normal NFA and at worst we get a switcher.
With Blarg, at best we get a NFA that lies about his abilities and at worst we get an NFA that could have turn into townie... at the cost of another townie.
See what I am trying to get Blargonaut lynched first?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Or, conversely, give the mafia control of what happens at night.
Top Town: L_P for using what amounts to an override, might as well be an only town aligned power.
Burb because there should be a watcher in this game and no one has tried to counter claim
Top Scum: Fire because he got his hand stuck in the cookies jar.
Blarg because this whole debate we are having is probably just over a lie to protect Fire
Burb because there should be a watcher in this game and no one has tried to counter claim
Top Scum: Fire because he got his hand stuck in the cookies jar.
Blarg because this whole debate we are having is probably just over a lie to protect Fire
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LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I mean, beyond just choosing a target, creating extra misinformation.
Oh yeah, and reading Blargonaut Role PM will almost certainly tell us if Fire/Sorian is innocent or not.
Because If Blarg is lying about the lighting rod thing, that means for sure either Fire or Sorian killed Ouro. That or, in the worst case, a stealth killer, but even then it would be the exact situation tomorrow as it is today, just with far more information.
Because If Blarg is lying about the lighting rod thing, that means for sure either Fire or Sorian killed Ouro. That or, in the worst case, a stealth killer, but even then it would be the exact situation tomorrow as it is today, just with far more information.
I can agree with lynching blarg but your math is wrong, if he redirects onto launchpad it's still the same number of kills and if he doesn't or if he's dead there's no guarantee that launchpad would be saved anyways. I also think launchpad is super fucking weird with that claim. what exactly is the purpose of being able to just visit someone and do nothing? reeks of bullshit.
Does blarg just become vanilla town if he succeeds his mission?
I think it's pretty scummy when you ignore the part where I ask you to ignore blarg and fire. I want to hear about th eworld outside them.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Don't I fucking know it.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I had a whole meltdown because Tim had sent me 2 role PMs, an original one which was the commuter and a correction (that I thought was a joke) which is this fucking shit. I was playing as though I were a commuter, then all of a sudden, I sent him a question PM and I double read the second PM and realized what was going on.
thanks dude!
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Spear of Gungnir!
Yeah, there is no guarantee Launch can be saved, but then we know is because NFA wanted him death, not because Blarg redirected the hit.
I believe launchs claim makes sense if he is obligated to make the command no matter what, it makes him a pseudo-miller. It is a weird claim, sure, but is not suspicious enough to not save it until later. If he is the only one visiting a player that died and we get a watcher to confirm it there is no way for him to get himself out of it.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Tim is a rosy-cheeked baboon.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
If Blarg isn't lying then we have no doctor? Otherwise a protection and kill would cancel each other right?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I can give you some in the morning, but cabbeh claimed Miller. There's nothing solid on Salva.
Correct, but it's likely anyway
Oh yeah, my Top 2 scum outside Blarg and Fire are
Sorian, something about his role and his insistence on keeping blarg alive rubs me the wrong way.
Cabbeh, I still think there is a chance he is lying about his miller role.
As for town.
Lone_Prodigy is our obvious town, also the fact that he already blew his load means he is going to stay alive for a while.
Darryl has not spoken much but every time he does he makes a clever observation.
Sorian, something about his role and his insistence on keeping blarg alive rubs me the wrong way.
Cabbeh, I still think there is a chance he is lying about his miller role.
As for town.
Lone_Prodigy is our obvious town, also the fact that he already blew his load means he is going to stay alive for a while.
Darryl has not spoken much but every time he does he makes a clever observation.
The main suspicion on me was because I sided with Karkador for a good part of Day 1.5, and I wanted to lynch cabbeh instead, who claimed miller, when everyone was hellbent on killing Karkador.
After Karkador flipped town a lot of the suspicion lift off me, and also today we got more information so I am not the focus of anyone right now.
After Karkador flipped town a lot of the suspicion lift off me, and also today we got more information so I am not the focus of anyone right now.
Cabbeh makes hats?
Oh hah, I tried making a quick post before going into the movie theater, I didn't read your whole question. Ignoring those two:
Darryl has been read town by almost everyone but I haven't been buying it. He usually has more substance to what he does and I feel like he's been riding more than I expect.
A second one is harder. It's either Launch or Roy, both have made town PR claims but aren't a part of the whole shuffle that happened last night which comes off as odd to me.
Also Squidy, your games done work with me, calling me scummy because I missed something is just obnoxious, reask your question if I miss something, don't be an ass.
Any case for either would just be gut feeling at this time.
Do you believe cabbeh's miller claim? yes/no
Salva is a little more special. You could read today as him trying to heavily defend Fire and bus a town Blarg but it's hard to figure that out until we have more roles out in the open.