TheBlackMarvel
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I don't believe so.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT10| Aether Revolt - That shit that make your Soul Burn slow
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I don't believe so.
Emblems are their own things and nothing can interact with them.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'm somehow ok with Gideon. He's a pain for sure but I love the idea of aggro decks being able to transform into midrange postboard.
If we still had efficient burn and hero's downfall or if they had just printed pithing needle he'd be much less of an issue.
I want PWs on the powerlevel of gideon but only if the rest of the format can keep up.
If we still had efficient burn and hero's downfall or if they had just printed pithing needle he'd be much less of an issue.
I want PWs on the powerlevel of gideon but only if the rest of the format can keep up.
Joe Molotov
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I've been running Devour in Flames in my sideboard at FNM to kill Gideons. It doesn't feel great.
Was probably an intentional decision
Imperfected
Member
I kind of hope rather than just tuning crew costs and power "next time" they just bin vehicles forever, never returning to the mechanic.
I'm looking beyond the horizon to where "fixed" vehicles are a thing that hypothetically exists, and I still can't see why they would exist, outside of someone in design having liked Hot Wheels too much growing up.
They really add nothing in exchange for all the balance problems and declaration/resolution kerfuffles. They just live in this sort of shite conceptual space where they're either less-interactive artifact creatures or equipments with a "Tap X Creatures" equip cost. They aren't filling any deck-building need or introducing any mechanical depth in exchange for the increase in game complexity they bring.
I'm looking beyond the horizon to where "fixed" vehicles are a thing that hypothetically exists, and I still can't see why they would exist, outside of someone in design having liked Hot Wheels too much growing up.
They really add nothing in exchange for all the balance problems and declaration/resolution kerfuffles. They just live in this sort of shite conceptual space where they're either less-interactive artifact creatures or equipments with a "Tap X Creatures" equip cost. They aren't filling any deck-building need or introducing any mechanical depth in exchange for the increase in game complexity they bring.
charlequin
Banned
Literally zero chance of this happening.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Isn't it weird all the pushed for constructed vehicles are airborne?
Harvester, Copter, Skysovereign and Heart of Kiran are well above the curve of the rest. The only one that comes close is fleetwheel cruiser.
Harvester, Copter, Skysovereign and Heart of Kiran are well above the curve of the rest. The only one that comes close is fleetwheel cruiser.
Imperfected
Member
Well, hopefully it's on a long rotation, because I'm skipping the Standard that "Return to Kaladesh" (or whatever the next vehicle set is in) entirely.
I kind of wish they just adjusted the mechanic on the whole. If summoning sick creatures couldn't crew vehicles, I'd be fine with them tuning them at smuggler's copter level. Since aggro decks are usually going to have a play each turn, the crew cost is effectively invalidated by the fact that you can use a creature you wouldn't otherwise have a use for- Gideon tokens/your actual creatures can't attack on etb and, outside the mirror, you're not interested in blocking.
The combination of vehicles that can be crewed by non-haste guys and a pushed aggro pw in Gideon have just completely invalidated the traditional weapon against aggro- sweepers. Fumigate looks so awful when your opponents threats are Heart of Kiran, Gideon, and Scrapheap Scrounger when it would have actually been a decent sweeper in previous standard environments.
The combination of vehicles that can be crewed by non-haste guys and a pushed aggro pw in Gideon have just completely invalidated the traditional weapon against aggro- sweepers. Fumigate looks so awful when your opponents threats are Heart of Kiran, Gideon, and Scrapheap Scrounger when it would have actually been a decent sweeper in previous standard environments.
So I watched a few matches and looked at the PT results. Is it fair to say the PT was devoid of surprise? That all the cards and strategies every one thought were good did indeed turn out to be good and as good as they expected? Crazy Cat Lady pretty much got hated out but instead we have Vehicles running all over the format. Shrug I guess.
Smart of WotC to move to 5 cmc wraths and then completely invalidate wraths.
Joe Molotov
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Well, at least we still have good one-for-one removal, like:
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Transhuman
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An emblem is just a reminder card to describe a permanent passive feild effect that lasts the entire game.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Instant speed wrath would also have worked.
Anyway tried another oversized alter. This time I did a cut out and while I prefer it, I need better tools and to work more precise.
Anyway tried another oversized alter. This time I did a cut out and while I prefer it, I need better tools and to work more precise.
I also glued to the back of an island by accident instead of the front.
FreedomFrisbee
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It's probably worth noting that emblems were created to keep people from forgetting 4 mana elspeth's ultimate (that elspeth got errata after emblems were added). It's supposed to be an indefinite un-interactible effect. Its supposed to be a Dilu Horse effect, but people forgetting about lasting effects is an issue.
The foil makes it harder to cut the card. But you could go back over the edges with a hobby knife.
That's awesome though. Cool idea.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Thanks but not my idea. I got lazy here because of the bad cuts otherwise I would have gone over the edges with sanding paper.
Gonna practice a bit before trying to make a full art Nekusar through foil peeling and maybe an extended art Derevi for a friends birthday present.
charlequin
Banned
I don't really put these in the same boat. Moving to 5 mana wraths on its own is a good thing. Not paying attention to whether they are able to actually beat the threats in the meta is very much not.
Yeah this format needs an instant speed wraith at 6 mana
Infinite Stars
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Frontier/Price Memory/Occasionally played in Modern/Legacy/Vintage(Last I checked)
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Nope. It's an object in the command zone.
The reason you can't interact with it is simply because there isn't a card or effect that says you can.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Planar Cleansing baby
II don't know why I even bother with Duels
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Transhuman
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Time for boardwipe egipt style.
awww yesss
Ummm. This is being liberal with the truth. Many people here were expecting the Cat deck to run rampant but it clearly did not happen. Lots of crow to be eaten.
Infinite Stars
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I could see it being a cycle of Wraths, though maybe Trial would be better to fit with the flavor?
Like, here's a halfbaked shot at all of them:
Wrath of Pharoah-3WW
Each Player Sacrifices a non-land Permanent of each type with the highest Converted Mana Cost. Repeat this process for each type of non-standard permanent.
Wrath of Locusts-3GG
Each Player Sacrifices all lands they control,then may search their library for up to the same number of lands and put them into play tapped.
Wrath of Fire-3RR
Wrath of Fire deals 3 Damage to each creature and PlanesWalker. Whenever a permanent dealt damage this way would die, Wow deals 2 Damage to that creature's controller.
Wrath of Frogs-3UU
All creatures become 0/2 Frog Creatures with "Whenever this creature would become the target of an instant or sorcery this turn, sacrifice it" until end of turn.
Wrath of Plague- 3BB
All creatures get - 4/-4 Until end of turn. Whenever a creature would die this turn, exile it instead.
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Transhuman
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I could see it being a cycle of Wraths, though maybe Trial would be better to fit with the flavor?
Like, here's a halfbaked shot at all of them:
Wrath of Pharoah-3WW
Each Player Sacrifices a non-land Permanent of each type with the highest Converted Mana Cost. Repeat this process for each type of non-standard permanent.
Wrath of Locusts-3GG
Each Player Sacrifices all lands they control,then may search their library for up to the same number of lands and put them into play tapped.
Wrath of Fire-3RR
Wrath of Fire deals 3 Damage to each creature and PlanesWalker. Whenever a permanent dealt damage this way would die, Wow deals 2 Damage to that creature's controller.
Wrath of Frogs-3UU
All creatures become 0/2 Frog Creatures with "Whenever this creature would become the target of an instant or sorcery this turn, sacrifice it" until end of turn.
Wrath of Plague- 3BB
All creatures get - 4/-4 Until end of turn. Whenever a creature would die this turn, exile it instead.
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The Cat deck is the reason the top 8 is what it is. And its also the next 8 decks below it. Regardless of whether or not it dominated, it clearly warped the meta and will likely continue to so long as it is legal.
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Transhuman
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LOL guys. Warping the meta around it is totally not the same as flatout dominating the meta (like how JTMS and Eldrazis dominated in the past). People were saying the deck is unbeatable but not only is it very beatable, it made no appearances in T8 and just one appearance in T32 despite showing up in force as the most played deck. You've got results from the SCG event and the PT now so what else is there even to argue about?
So now that aggro takes out combo, midrange will rise to take out aggro and you have the classic rock-paper-scissors balance again.
I wasn't on any side of this debate right from the start because I don't give a rats ass about Standard but just thought it's interesting how so many people have overreacted again.
So now that aggro takes out combo, midrange will rise to take out aggro and you have the classic rock-paper-scissors balance again.
I wasn't on any side of this debate right from the start because I don't give a rats ass about Standard but just thought it's interesting how so many people have overreacted again.
There were quite a few posts before the set release that said a severe warp was highly likely and that decks might come up to combat Saheli combo.
If you want to make the argument that format warping isn't the same as domination, I'd listen. But I'm still not down with either and still hope they ban the cat.
If you want to make the argument that format warping isn't the same as domination, I'd listen. But I'm still not down with either and still hope they ban the cat.
What's going to be really interesting to see if there is a cat deck out there that can be adjusted to handle both BG and Mardu reasonably well. Aether Meltdown and Ishkanah come to mind as possible solutions. Despite the way the format looks right now I'm still looking forward to the next couple of GPs coming out way in February.
People said that the day after it was spoiled. Were they still saying that weeks after the fact? I mean it seems pretty clear to me that Crazy Cat Lady still warped the format. I'm just saying, as far as I can tell, there weren't any "OMG THAT CARD/STRATEGY IS GOOD?" revelations. You often get at least one of those each Pro-Tour. Mardu Vehicles is an old deck with some new cards we all knew were going to be good. That it checks Cat Lady is impressive but not something that felt like it came out of nowhere.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I don't know if anyone predicted actual results for the PT, after Kaladesh with Marvel and Eldritch Moon with Bant Company I just don't trust pros to figure it out anymore.
Grimace definitely called decks performing well that go under the combo.
the 4c Saheeli variants have access to Natural State and I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of them in sideboards going forward.
Everyone assumed pros were wrong about those two decks at the PT but eventually they became the best decks in the format after intially being hated out.
The combo is busted as hell and warps the meta game. I laugh because the combo is 3 colors and can adjust to what the meta actually becomes. It has access to the best sideboard cards to beat vehicles if it wants (Release the Gremlins, Fragmentize, Stasis Snare, Fumigate, Declaration in Stone). Just most of the people that showed up with the combo weren't prepared for vehicles, and were probably regulare people that didn't test with a team.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
That's kinda my point Pro's at PT Eldritch Moon mostly ran with Turbo Emrakul variants and PT Kaladesh was a case of the durdliest shit decks imaginable. They played this card...
They were wrong about those decks. Bant Company IIRC was mostly ran by the middling players, with LSV the only high profile Pro playing the list.
I looked up some Frontier decks. I guess the format made several Khans cards maintain some value. Screw it, I'm making a Frontier deck just for the hell of it.
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