WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I'm okay with nearly-Impulse.
Oh, man. That is sexy for a common.
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Oh, man. That is sexy for a common.
"God's Beard!"
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And Tasigur can draw you a card and self-mill immediately. I don't see how that's not immediate value.
I'm okay with nearly-Impulse.
SigmasonicX
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I think you guys are underestimating Atarka's Command. Image, by the way:
Also, corrected translation for the raptor mythic:
Deathmist Raptor
Creature - Lizard Beast
Deathtouch
Whenever a permanent you control is turned face-up, you may return Deathmist Raptor from the graveyard to the battlefield either face-up or face-down.
Megamorph 4G
And new card:
I'm kind of surprised that this exact effect hasn't been printed before on an instant.
EDIT: Just noticed that Zurgo is now an Ironclaw Orcs
Also, corrected translation for the raptor mythic:
Deathmist Raptor
Creature - Lizard Beast
Deathtouch
Whenever a permanent you control is turned face-up, you may return Deathmist Raptor from the graveyard to the battlefield either face-up or face-down.
Megamorph 4G
And new card:
I'm kind of surprised that this exact effect hasn't been printed before on an instant.
EDIT: Just noticed that Zurgo is now an Ironclaw Orcs
Seriously, what was with the plurals in early Magic?
divisionbyzorro
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EDIT Completely misread.
They rightly are really cautious about effects like that these days. They seem innocuous but are really good at one mana and increase the consistency of blue decks a ton.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";154737154]And Tasigur can draw you a card and self-mill immediately. I don't see how that's not immediate value. [/QUOTE]
One is a static thing that happens regardless of anything else. Snapcaster, unless there is a Torpor Orb on the battlefield, will always give one of your spells flashback at instant speed. Taisigur needs extra, outside circumstances to exist for you do anything besides having him be an efficient creature.
You are very much getting confused at two varying definitions that have existed in the game for a while. You are using immediate value interchangeably with value. They are separate things. Taisigur gives you value. Snapcaster gives you immediate value. Tarmogoyf gives you value. Griselbrand gives you immediate value.
One is a static thing that happens regardless of anything else. Snapcaster, unless there is a Torpor Orb on the battlefield, will always give one of your spells flashback at instant speed. Taisigur needs extra, outside circumstances to exist for you do anything besides having him be an efficient creature.
You are very much getting confused at two varying definitions that have existed in the game for a while. You are using immediate value interchangeably with value. They are separate things. Taisigur gives you value. Snapcaster gives you immediate value. Tarmogoyf gives you value. Griselbrand gives you immediate value.
SigmasonicX
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Still a bit more Warrior tribal for you guys! Pair it up with big Zurgo.
EDIT: Wait, clan mention in the flavor text? I guess maybe there are holdouts after all.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
...I don't think Atarka's Command is that bad. I like it better than Ojutai Command tbh, its ramp that doesn't die to lightning strike and doesn't require you to play it on your turn so you can hold up Lightning Strike mana for it or something.
I mean, theoretically, I doubt it gets played unless there's really a R/G dragon ramp deck or something. Even then, its net card disadvantage since you have to already have the land and it can't remove anything.
I think you're understating his point - immediate value is something that becomes more important as the CMC increases. Dromoka costs 6, which is basically the upper end of midrange constructed CMCs. There's practically no serious argument for running this over Elspeth, Sun's Champion. A card like this needs to basically be Sigarda to be playable.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Will Wescoe wrestle with white weenies? Cards are saying "probably."
ThLunarian
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I think you have this backwards? Snapcaster requires an Instant in the graveyard to do anything useful. Tasigur can do his thing even with an empty graveyard.
divisionbyzorro
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WW seems to be assuming that you won't be able to activate Tasigur's ability immediately. The rest of us are assuming that you're casting him for 1 and still have mana to activate his ability, thus allowing him to absolutely have immediate value. The truth is likely somewhere inbetween
Angry Grimace
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I don't think it matters. You're either playing him in Abzan which has no other Delve cards to eat those resources, or you're playing him in a Delve deck, in which you probably have an embarrassment of riches in that resource.
It looks like all of the commands are going to be bad and just rely on player nostalgia for Lorwyn, which simultaneously arguing that everyone actually hates Lorwyn.
divisionbyzorro
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Skullcrack is worth a card. But that's really all the card is good for. It might as well have no other text.
Angry Grimace
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Yeah, but would you play a green deck with Skullcrack? Seems sketch.
"God's Beard!"
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Still a bit more Warrior tribal for you guys! Pair it up with big Zurgo.
EDIT: Wait, clan mention in the flavor text? I guess maybe there are holdouts after all.
The Abzan split into two when they gave in to the dragons.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";154739797]The Abzan split into two when they gave in to the dragons.[/QUOTE]
They still have a clan, its just underneath the Dragons.
This card has a Dromoka watermark, not an Abzan one.
They still have a clan, its just underneath the Dragons.
This card has a Dromoka watermark, not an Abzan one.
RG Aggro could probably use it as a pre-finisher. If an RG Aggro deck exists
Angry Grimace
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Yeah, but why? Its narrow and there are lots of other burn spells in Standard.
SigmasonicX
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There is also an anthem effect, you know.
If your deck has a good supply of creatures and your burn is mostly going to the face this is probably better than say, Lightning Strike. It can become a lot more damage. Also depending on where the meta ends up the no life gain could be super relevant. If Whip becomes a thing again this lets your aggro deck still win a game where they play Whip and swing in to gain a bunch.
Angry Grimace
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I think this is worse than Lightning Strike by orders of magnitude
"God's Beard!"
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I think it's better if you think of it as an instant-speed explore effect than a skullcrack. It's pretty decent ramp, but you'll burn out your hand like nobody's business with it.
Why the hell isn't there a dinosaur creature type? Calling a dinosaur a lizard is like calling a bear a lizard.Ahhh it's a snake raptor coming to eat me.
Reddit Translation:
Shikiri Raptor 1GG
Lizard Beast
Death touch
Whenever a permanent is flipped up, you may return [cardname] from your graveyard to the battle field face up or down.
Megamorph 4G
3/3
"God's Beard!"
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The word dinosaur means "terrible lizard".
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";154746319]I think it's better if you think of it as an instant-speed explore effect than a skullcrack. It's pretty decent ramp, but you'll burn out your hand like nobody's business with it.[/QUOTE]
Its probably best if you don't think of it at all.
Here's to hoping they're saving all the good cards for PAX
Its probably best if you don't think of it at all.
Here's to hoping they're saving all the good cards for PAX
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";154747543]The word dinosaur means "terrible lizard".[/QUOTE]
That's like calling a jellyfish a fish because the name includes the word fish. Dinosaurs are not close to lizards at all. Birds and crocodiles are their closest living relatives, and lizards are nowhere near their lineage.
Plus, it's stupid that we can have a type like Brushwagg and not a Dinosaur type.
That's like calling a jellyfish a fish because the name includes the word fish. Dinosaurs are not close to lizards at all. Birds and crocodiles are their closest living relatives, and lizards are nowhere near their lineage.
Plus, it's stupid that we can have a type like Brushwagg and not a Dinosaur type.
They should just call it "reptile".
Or just make a dinosaur creature type. We have creature types for snakes, lizards, turtles, and crocodiles. There's no reason we can't have a dinosaur creature type.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Eh. Too many things care about lizard subtype. There are literally ones of cards.
Just gonna keep rolling with black/red into the next set, its the only colors that I have any expensive cards in and i love the slow grindy playstyle. I miss playing with gray merchant. Reid Duke just posted a mono black devotion list and it looked kinda lame tbh. I want to keep playing with my stormbreaths in though. Hopefully a pretty solid list can be formed.
"God's Beard!"
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I'm probably gonna wind up playing 4 Anticipation and 1 Sidisi in my Sultai deck if there's nothing else exciting in the set. Those are the standouts to me right now.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yeah, Anticipate is sort of getting me all a tingle
W/B warriors? One-drop, chief of the edge, followed by this seems good. There's also Strike Leader, but I think this is a little more explosive.
Still a bit more Warrior tribal for you guys! Pair it up with big Zurgo.
EDIT: Wait, clan mention in the flavor text? I guess maybe there are holdouts after all.
Dang this paired with Rabblemaster will be nasty. I usually find myself not attacking with him quite yet until enough goblins builds up. Arashin is going to allow Rabblemaster to attack more often and for huge damage.
keeblerdrow
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Remember my god-deck challenge? I've got 2 finalists.
The requirement of 4 of any 1 god is a bit narrowing, as it leaves you with essentially a 58 card deck with 2 dead weight cards. But if I make it into some sort of good linchpin to a combo, it might be worth running 4. I especially like the cute combo of Purphoros damaging on the way in and outpost siege of the way out. I had thought about 2 copies of Chasm Stalker in the Ephara deck because of the card draw engine, but I don't really want the blue to be any more than a splash for the god.
The requirement of 4 of any 1 god is a bit narrowing, as it leaves you with essentially a 58 card deck with 2 dead weight cards. But if I make it into some sort of good linchpin to a combo, it might be worth running 4. I especially like the cute combo of Purphoros damaging on the way in and outpost siege of the way out. I had thought about 2 copies of Chasm Stalker in the Ephara deck because of the card draw engine, but I don't really want the blue to be any more than a splash for the god.
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Aleksi Briclot owns.
Angry Grimace
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RB Dragons you know you want to.
he does, definitely a top 5 active MtG artist (Avon, Nielsen, Meignaud, Swanland, Briclot... or something).
I was recently told that Mark Poole had art on FTR.
that's so old school. I think only Rob Alexander is still active form the Alpha artists.
Angry Grimace
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You know what I like about this thread vs. other Magic threads? People don't get angry at you for saying your pet card/deck isn't actually good and instead try and tell you why you are wrong (usually without telling you that you're a huge douchebag too!).
Seriously, some dude on SA just told me that Sligh was gonna be super good with Zurgo in it and I pointed out that the entire deck folds to Drown in Sorrow and Anger of the Gods and that Dash isn't actually good in a deck with 20 or less lands. He said that this was stifling discussion on the merits of the deck, even though this completely legitimate point is in fact, discussing the deck.
Seriously, some dude on SA just told me that Sligh was gonna be super good with Zurgo in it and I pointed out that the entire deck folds to Drown in Sorrow and Anger of the Gods and that Dash isn't actually good in a deck with 20 or less lands. He said that this was stifling discussion on the merits of the deck, even though this completely legitimate point is in fact, discussing the deck.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It's because we're all sort of awesome. Except GB. He's stellar.
I think his great art is part of the reason the first Planeswalkers left such an impact on players.
Yes. Jace Beleren just has a much better mood with the piece, especially the lighting on Jace's face. It looks somber and mysterious instead of just cool.
JTMS became Mr. Magic because he was really good and an icon of one of the most dominant standard decks of all time.
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