"God's Beard!"
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I trade my shitty standard cards over value for eternals all the time. I traded a stack of abzan aggro cards for a Vampiric Tutor, shocks and a deathrite a couple weeks back, that was pretty sweet.
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Magic: The Gathering |OT3| Enchantment Under the Siege
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divisionbyzorro
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T2 Mind Stone to enable a T3 Wrath of God could be just the blowout you need; plus, the 2CC rocks can be played on later turns and still hold up relevant mana. I dunno; Mind Stone is something I really like because it doesn't lose value later in the game, but the others don't excite me (Chalice is borderline). Typically I agree with you though. For example, I would pick Remove Soul over a Mind Stone in this cube if I knew I was going to be blue, as an example. But I might pick a Mind Stone over a Remove Soul if we're on the second overall pick in the draft and I don't know where I am just yet.
EDIT: I think the big rocks, like Basalt Monolith, are classic "best case scenario mentality" cards. The games where you play a battle-ball on turn 4 are awesome. But there are games where the card is just air. Unless you're playing an actual ramp deck (or in the case of the Monolith, if you're trying to assemble the Wake Thrasher combo) those kinds of cards don't belong in your deck.
SigmasonicX
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Told you it wasn't Mythic.
What? Not at all. Its just good not great against a fair deck.
What? Not at all. Its just good not great against a fair deck.
Yeah, I definitely should've done my own look up and research when making big trades. Gonna do what bigkrev mentioned and sit on it for a year unless I can trade up in value to make up for the lost. Does the majority goes by tcg mid prices? Seems that way at my lgs'.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yeah, mid prices seems pretty standard. But, Ugin may drop like a rock even before he rotates out of standard. Don't beat yourself up about it too much just yet. It could very well be a 50 dollar card in a year.
On another note, I realized just by my play choices when drafting and what I want to build, I think Prowess is my favorite mechanic since Undying.
On another note, I realized just by my play choices when drafting and what I want to build, I think Prowess is my favorite mechanic since Undying.
Unlike high-end threats or card draw, artifact mana, especially cheap (2 CMC) artifact mana is at a HIGH premium in the MODO Cube. I think its absolutely right to prioritize them over the more average/mediocre control spells. This is Cube, its really hard to stop other people from drafting Blue if they want to. Furthermore, the mana rocks let you cast you stabilizing spells more quickly - they hep you NOT get blown out by aggro, not the other way around.
You guys make it seem wraths are plentiful to go around and expected in your opening hand. What do you guys want to ramp into? Planeswalkers? Blue walkers are frail. Ugin costs eight. Creatures? White has a lot of removal.
The best way I found to stop a perfect curve is a mix of removal and permission. Clean the board, draw some cards and cast goodstuff. In that order. Or cheat Griselbrand, Emrakul, Wurmcoil or Grave Titan into play. Or combo out with Splinter Twin/Kiki.
Playing mana rocks means you have less action cards. You can't shave off lands either. No, I'm not going to pick Mind Stone over a Force of Will if I p1p1 Vedalken Shackles.
The best way I found to stop a perfect curve is a mix of removal and permission. Clean the board, draw some cards and cast goodstuff. In that order. Or cheat Griselbrand, Emrakul, Wurmcoil or Grave Titan into play. Or combo out with Splinter Twin/Kiki.
Playing mana rocks means you have less action cards. You can't shave off lands either. No, I'm not going to pick Mind Stone over a Force of Will if I p1p1 Vedalken Shackles.
divisionbyzorro
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Control decks will often play 18 lands to make sure they hit their land drops. I'm quite happy to play 17 lands and a Mind Stone or Sphere or Chalice.
phazedplasma
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Is DTK draft fun? Can't decide if I wanna go tonight. all my friends are playing STD tonight and I dont have my deck 
Is DTK draft fun? Can't decide if I wanna go tonight. all my friends are playing STD tonight and I dont have my deck
I thought it was a blast. It isn't super slow like Khans. Going dromoka is the way to go.
"God's Beard!"
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What sites do you guys order your cards from? I just got my DRT singles from cardkingdom today and I've always been blown away by how fast they ship. For more expensive stuff I hunt around TCGplayer/ebay, and for foreign cards I check SCG as well.
It's way, way better than FRF/KTK/KTK. Lots of fun synergies, I like it a lot.
Is DTK draft fun? Can't decide if I wanna go tonight. all my friends are playing STD tonight and I dont have my deck
It's way, way better than FRF/KTK/KTK. Lots of fun synergies, I like it a lot.
divisionbyzorro
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I went to actually play Cheon's draft to see what the actual pick we were arguing about was. I didn't realize you were talking about his actual pick order: first picking Shackles and then second picking Mind Stone over Force of Will.
So let's assume I first pick the Shackles:
Of course, this is all ignoring the fact that I would have just first picked the Craterhoof Behemoth (blue is way overdrafted in this cube) and had an excellent green deck based on what he got passed. :lol
So let's assume I first pick the Shackles:
- Shackles
- It's Mind Stone vs Force of Will. I could cut the blue card, or stay open with Mind Stone. My inclination is to stay open (as I'm going through this exercise, I think I realized that the root of our disagreement is that I value the flexibility of Mind Stone in the drafting process pretty high), and Force isn't as valuable here as it is in some cubes. So I take Mind Stone.
- Glen Elendra Archmage always overperforms, so I take that.
- Impulse. Chalice isn't even on the table here
- It's one of the black removal spells. Probably Chainer's Edict, even though it's not a particularly exciting card.
- I expect that none of these cards are going to make my deck. Usually I just snag lands from packs like this; with no lands, I probably just take the Harmonize.
- Between Alchemy and Fetters I take the Fetters.
- Volrath's Stronghold overperforms for me a lot, but it's not for this style of deck. I take Gifts Ungiven pretty clearly here. I'm not a huge fan of Chandra.
- Angel of Serenity. I already have the Gifts, and this isn't completely unreasonable as a finisher in a control deck.
- Exhume. I tend to grab the combo pieces of degenerate decks when the packs come down to the dregs like this, just in case. If I get passed an Entomb, something new has opened up to me.
Of course, this is all ignoring the fact that I would have just first picked the Craterhoof Behemoth (blue is way overdrafted in this cube) and had an excellent green deck based on what he got passed. :lol
Angry Grimace
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Is DTK draft fun? Can't decide if I wanna go tonight. all my friends are playing STD tonight and I dont have my deck
Its quite easy as far as draft formats go, at the least. I think its pretty fun and the dragons are less "omg bomb" than maybe I was envisioning. They're mostly just dumb fun to play.
Green is hit or miss for me. Either I draw enough mana dorks and little action or I draw my action cards and Cradle or something. When I face green they ramp in the most insane way. Or they topdeck Cradle like a boss. :lol (I know because he played Oracle on the same turn, which let him play Ugin.)
Force of Will is great because I take draw spells high. Nothing better than dropping a Consecrated Sphinx with counter backup. Pact of Negation is also acceptable but much worse than FoW.
Force of Will is great because I take draw spells high. Nothing better than dropping a Consecrated Sphinx with counter backup. Pact of Negation is also acceptable but much worse than FoW.
blindrocket
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My god, I have somehow managed to pull a third ankle shanker from cracking a pack.
Looks like it is fate telling you to run mardu. You can have one of the 2 playsets of crackling doom I bought at $5a piece on release >_>
"God's Beard!"
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Morph Tribal
28 Creatures
8 Enchantments
2 Planeswalkers
22 Land
Sideboard:
I thought about collected company because we have the requisite number of cheap creatures, but they don't really do anything face-up, lol
28 Creatures
- 4 Elvish Mystic
- 4 Satyr Wayfinder
- 4 Stratus Dancer
- 1 Den Protector
- 4 Icefeather Aven
- 4 Deathmist Raptor
- 4 Whisperwood Elemental
- 3 Sagu Mauler
8 Enchantments
- 4 Trail of Mystery
- 4 Secret Plans
2 Planeswalkers
- 2 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
22 Land
- 4 Yavimaya Coast
- 4 Temple of Mystery
- 2 Thornwood Falls
- 7 Forest
- 5 Island
Sideboard:
- 4 Nissa, Worldwaker
- 3 Disdainful Stroke
- 4 Encase in Ice
- 3 Display of Dominance
- 1 Ainok Survivalist
I thought about collected company because we have the requisite number of cheap creatures, but they don't really do anything face-up, lol
phazedplasma
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DTK draft is pretty fun.
Won 3 packs, employee was playing in a draft so he told me to grab em. I was in a rush so I grabbed em and jetted.
Got home, cracked the first one. Its Korean. So now I have a Korean Ojutai Command and Dragon Whisperer.
Won 3 packs, employee was playing in a draft so he told me to grab em. I was in a rush so I grabbed em and jetted.
Got home, cracked the first one. Its Korean. So now I have a Korean Ojutai Command and Dragon Whisperer.
Joe Molotov
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";158202655]Morph Tribal[/QUOTE]
You need to replace Elvish Mystics with Rattleclaws for flavor.
You need to replace Elvish Mystics with Rattleclaws for flavor.
"God's Beard!"
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Impossibru, turn two morphs too stronk
"God's Beard!"
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";158212477]when you right, you right
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What's a better turn one play in Legacy, Phyrexian Crusader or Hypnotic Specter? Is there a better black three-drop I should be looking at? Phyrexian Arena?[/QUOTE]
Liliana of the Veil
I do like the ole thoughseize followed by hymn to try and hit their lands.
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What's a better turn one play in Legacy, Phyrexian Crusader or Hypnotic Specter? Is there a better black three-drop I should be looking at? Phyrexian Arena?[/QUOTE]
Liliana of the Veil
I do like the ole thoughseize followed by hymn to try and hit their lands.
divisionbyzorro
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Crusader dodges a lot of the commonly played removal that would kill it, so there's that.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Sounds like the perfect deck to play, tbh.
pelicansurf
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Alt-Art Ugin probably won't be dropping anytime soon.
My list looked more like
Sinkhole
Hymn to Tourach
Inquisition of Kozilek
Liliana of the Veil
Smallpox
Innocent Blood
Nether Spirit
Dark Ritual
Thoughtseize (maybe one or two)
Swamp
Urborg Tomb
Mishra's Factory
Wasteland
(didn't have fetches at the time but it will in future builds)
Sinkhole
Hymn to Tourach
Inquisition of Kozilek
Liliana of the Veil
Smallpox
Innocent Blood
Nether Spirit
Dark Ritual
Thoughtseize (maybe one or two)
Swamp
Urborg Tomb
Mishra's Factory
Wasteland
(didn't have fetches at the time but it will in future builds)
"God's Beard!"
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Pox-style stuff is awesome, but I need a three-drop for the sideboard of my reanimator deck to troll people with.
Something like this:
4 Thoughtseize
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Delver of Secrets
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Whisk Away
Something like this:
4 Thoughtseize
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Delver of Secrets
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Whisk Away
divisionbyzorro
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You normally have a good reason for some of your more unique choices, but I'm curious about Whisk Away vs Wipe Away.
"God's Beard!"
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He'll be cheap for a while cause EDHers don't want him.I just snapped up a foil Dragonlord Kolaghan for 5.50.
I wish that art made more sense. Zurgo looks like he has far bigger problems than forgetting a spell.
Proxy if you're simply testing.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Maybe they shouldn't have given an Elder Dragon an ability which literally does nothing in Elder Dragon Highlander.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
So, I wanna play with a commander deck to scratch my itch to play Kiln Fiend style decks. So far, I know of the following. Any other major creatures or keywords that would benefit from a spells matter RU deck? Commander ain't my wheelhouse.
Commander - Keranos
Creatures
Kiln Fiend
Wee Dragonauts
Nivix Cyclops
Monastery Swiftspear
Seeker of the Way
Dragon-Style Twins
Jeskai Windscout
Commander - Keranos
Creatures
Kiln Fiend
Wee Dragonauts
Nivix Cyclops
Monastery Swiftspear
Seeker of the Way
Dragon-Style Twins
Jeskai Windscout
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I have a fucking shitload of cards though. I think I'll try and make EDH decks out of a couple of the Dragonlords for casual play with friends. The only one I have an extra of is Atarka so far though. But that seems kind of easy to build.
that is baffling. the fact that Mark Rosewater is defending the choice to make an ELDER DRAGON's ability useless in ELDER DRAGON HIGHLANDER is even more infuriating.
then again it's Mark Rosewater.
He's correctly defending it, because a casual format shouldn't be restricting designs in Standard-legal sets. The previous Elder Dragons are terrible generals anyway. It's a good design. Who cares if it's a "bad" EDH general- they can just pick one of the actual "good" ones while they try to pretend they're not trying to kill each other during the game.
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