SigmasonicX
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Grimace greatly dislikes all of the popular nicknames for the new dual lands, so I'm guessing he's using jibberish out of spite.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT4| Izzet Me; Izzet You? A Love Story
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Grimace greatly dislikes all of the popular nicknames for the new dual lands, so I'm guessing he's using jibberish out of spite.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
divisionbyzorro
Member
Damn that was a long con. Well played, Grimace.
Joe Molotov
Member
Stealing this to use IRL.
There's gonna be some sorta Ingest/Sphinx's Tutelage deck. Believe!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Sphinx's Tutelage...? Sphinx's Tutelage is horrific right now, though. It has something like a low 30s% win rate. That guy just got lucky with a brew no one was expecting.
The problem with Ulamog is that his last ability isn't terribly useful outside of "opponent has infinite chump blockers." But even at 10/10 indestructible, it still costs 10 mana. If the set reveals show that we're able to put Ulamog out consistently by turn 5 or something with Scions, well, then obviously he's a house.
I like how SaffronOlive is analyzing this: huge expensive fatties should probably get compared to Dragonlord Atarka.
Etrian Oddity
Member
Incredible
Like, they're all midrange donks right now or vanilla fatties. :-/
divisionbyzorro
Member
Ulamog's "when you cast" trigger should have been bigger. Like, "Exile two permanents, then up to one target player exiles two cards from his or her hand, then up to one target player exiles the top ten cards of his or her library."
Ulamog will probably be better in Cube than in Standard (given what little we've seen so far). But yeah I'll 100% agree that a lot of these Eldrazi lack the "oh shit" factor of their predecessors. Like the 8/9 Trample pales in comparison to an 8/8, must attack Annihilator 2 in terms of making you shit your pants. A concession to coddle new/casual players just made things worse not better (from my current vantage point).
charlequin
Banned
It certainly is mysterious to me that they went this direction with it.
That said, I actually think Ulamog (putting his competitiveness, which I don't give a shit about, entirely aside) does capture it -- he blows stuff up on cast, he gives you a guaranteed win in just a couple attacks, he massively powers up the processor effects. If they'd given all the colorless Eldrazi this type of effect (on cast, at least) I doubt it would have seriously broken the mechanic in any format but at least would have had some extra continuity with the old designs.
Even 2 is kind of unnecessarily strong, but 1 is pretty okay as long as it's on 8+ mana critters and you prepare the environment for it. It really is a shitload of card advantage though.
charlequin
Banned
I don't think that's a problem. Except with Ulamog (and he does something pretty reasonable, which is lets you win with him even if he's blocked every turn) they aren't supposed to mill you out, just to feed the processors.
Like who was complaining about the legends though (I do agree that Annihilator 4-6 can be brutal)? They are mythic so they barely show up in ROE limited. If you're playing Legacy or Modern you are playing non-rotating formats and should be able to handle getting occasionally mauled by these cards without crying into your pillow at night. If you are playing these in Cube well then its fucking Cube where everybody is doing sick shit what's the problem? In EDH Emrakul is banned and also EDH is the MOST degenerate format in Magic, why are you complaining? Upset you got killed before you could take infinite turns in a row?
So like were a ton of people playing them in casual, 60 card constructed and not taking a hint when their friends complained about the cards?
GamerKingFaiz
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Any word if the bundle of basic lands that BFZ Fat Packs will come with will be full art basics?
Emrakul got banned in Commander REAL quick for being completely miserable.
Even in Legacy/Modern they're obnoxious as fuck. T2 Goryo's = Lose your board, gg isn't interesting. They stop actual interaction from happening because of how strong their put-away effects are tuned, cheating one in early just shits on a game.
The issue is more that these big obnoxious guys were THE marquee Eldrazi cards outside of limited, where the vanilla commons were scary but much more reasonable.
Even in Legacy/Modern they're obnoxious as fuck. T2 Goryo's = Lose your board, gg isn't interesting. They stop actual interaction from happening because of how strong their put-away effects are tuned, cheating one in early just shits on a game.
The issue is more that these big obnoxious guys were THE marquee Eldrazi cards outside of limited, where the vanilla commons were scary but much more reasonable.
Maro confirmed that full art lands will be included in Fat Packs.
EDIT: Nevermind, it was Trick that confirmed it: https://twitter.com/TrickMTG/status/635818406831222784
GamerKingFaiz
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Oh wow, I think I'm going to pre-order fat packs just for the guarantee of 80 full art lands! :0
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Don't preorder them. They are unlimited supply but vendors will lie and say they have limited supply. Which is true for like maybe a week at most.
You will be able to buy an infinite supply at Target/Walmart if you are willing to wait a week or two.
Ulamog 2.0 is a 10/10 indestructible for 10 colorless that exiles two permanents when you cast it and can't be chump-blocked indefinitely. It might not be the next face of standard, but it's hardly junk.
I actually feel like Ulamog's a pretty-well-designed card; you only get the card advantage swing if you cast it fairly, you still get the card advantage if it gets countered, it doesn't screw over mill decks like the other legendary Eldrazi, it's indestructible so you're not gonna likely lose your fatty, and it ends games fast without making opponents have to choose which permanents to sacrifice. It's about as fair as you can make a legendary Eldrazi.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
10 is a LOT though.
GamerKingFaiz
Member
You guys bring up a good point, but I think my LGS was offering a lower then $40 preorder price, I'll have to double check though.
Sure, but for 10 colorless mana Ulamog's a pretty nice card. Comparing him to the other stuff you can play at a similar cost, he's not the best but certainly nowhere near the worst.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I often buy fat packs online for around $30. A KTK one is like $31 on Amazon.
Etrian Oddity
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I refuse to disregard.
Disregard (You may return this spell from the stack to your hand any time before it resolves)
BR
Sorcery
Disregard
Destroy target creature. Its controller loses 1 life.
1GU
Creature - Fish Boar
Flash, Disregard
3/2
3RW
Instant
~ deals 4 damage, divided as you choose among any number of target attacking creatures.
Disregard
BR
Sorcery
Disregard
Destroy target creature. Its controller loses 1 life.
1GU
Creature - Fish Boar
Flash, Disregard
3/2
3RW
Instant
~ deals 4 damage, divided as you choose among any number of target attacking creatures.
Disregard
I'm bored
Etrian Oddity
Member
charlequin
Banned
You need to put disregard on shit like "Destroy all creatures" and "Each player draws cards equal to the number of creatures they control."
People would just let it resolve and then go on to cast their spells, sadly. Maybe you should try the opposite instead:
Deflation
UR
Instant
Disregard
Spells cost (1) less to cast while Deflation is on the stack.
I'll terror... oh 1B
Instant
Disregard
Destroy target creature if it isn't black or an artifact.
And for an application that could be somewhat interesting:
No more two-for-ones 1WW
Enchantment - Aura (uncommon)
Disregard
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +1/+2 and has vigilance.
Sacrifice <this>: Creatures you control get +1/+2 and gain vigilance until end of turn.
FIrst off, I've been calling him Twolamog. I wish other people would as well.
Secondly, god it's so bad.
Double post but whatever. Been thinking about a Jace that uses illusions (sorry for the unintentional GnR reference) since his cards never really touch on that. I've landed on something kind of unique that may or may not work within the rules, but it's fun to dream. Also I'm sure this is too strong.
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Jace the Evanescent (2)(U)(U)
Planeswalker - Jace
{+2} Put an Illusory Jace planeswalker token onto the battlefield
with one loyalty counter that reads "During your opponents turns,
all creatures able to attack Illusory Jace must do so if able."
{-2} Draw two cards, then put one card from your hand back on top
of your library.
{-6} Target opponent exiles the top ten cards of his or her library. You
may cast one of those cards without paying their mana cost until the
end of the turn.
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Jace the Evanescent (2)(U)(U)
Planeswalker - Jace
{+2} Put an Illusory Jace planeswalker token onto the battlefield
with one loyalty counter that reads "During your opponents turns,
all creatures able to attack Illusory Jace must do so if able."
{-2} Draw two cards, then put one card from your hand back on top
of your library.
{-6} Target opponent exiles the top ten cards of his or her library. You
may cast one of those cards without paying their mana cost until the
end of the turn.
__________________________{2}
A Serious Man
Member
Ulamog will have to fight for Ugin's spot as a 1 of finisher in decks and I'm not sure he'll win. He can finish the game a lot faster but that extra 2 mana is a real thing and I'm not convinced Eldrazi ramp is going to be a thing yet.
The first ability is a white thing and not to mention any deck that doesn't have spells to interact//kill planeswalkers loses to this card because he infinitely makes them attack into the token. Not sure how that's fun.
It's white because of Gideon? It could be white-blue honestly, it just isn't right now.
As for interaction, black directly targets pw, red has DD, blue can bounce, white has O ring abilities, the only fucked one is green. In that case the token could be an enchantment (it is an illusion after all) giving it further vulnerability to all 5 colors, or people would have to splash. Who plays mono green these days anyway?
{+2} Wake Jace up inside
The planeswalkers ability for that is strictly white because of Gideon. While there are some overlapping abilities between walkers I don't think it f
I didn't say there aren't any outs but this design basically forces people to have the answer in hand or top deck it because combat damage is still the most common way of killing a walker. Why would the token be an enchantment? Doesn't make sense. This Jace is basically a repeatable fog and the fact that he ults after two activations means the window of finding an answer is small.
In terms of answers, I get what you're saying. Maybe swap that and the other ability in terms of plus and minus and it's more fair. That way it at least can't lock other players so easily.
I still believe this ability could make its way out of white and also into blue, though, if they wanted to justify it. I think it fits because Jace has at least once in the Uncharted Realms stories made an illusion version of himself to deal with a situation. He even made fake Jaces in the last story, didn't he? I like the flavor of someone attacking Jace but only getting the smoke and mirrors one. I would have liked to have done it another way, like somehow put two Jaces on the battlefield and made the opponent guess which one it is, but this was the cleanest solution I could think of right now.
So maybe it should be more like
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Jace the Intangible (2)(U)(U)
Planeswalker - Jace
{+2} Draw two cards, then put one card from your hand back on top
of your library.
{-2} Put an Illusory Jace planeswalker token onto the battlefield
with one loyalty counter that reads "During your opponents turns,
all creatures able to attack Illusory Jace must do so if able."
{-6} Target opponent exiles the top ten cards of his or her library. You
may cast one of those cards without paying their mana cost until the
end of the turn.
________________________{ 3 }
Jace the Intangible (2)(U)(U)
Planeswalker - Jace
{+2} Draw two cards, then put one card from your hand back on top
of your library.
{-2} Put an Illusory Jace planeswalker token onto the battlefield
with one loyalty counter that reads "During your opponents turns,
all creatures able to attack Illusory Jace must do so if able."
{-6} Target opponent exiles the top ten cards of his or her library. You
may cast one of those cards without paying their mana cost until the
end of the turn.
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"God's Beard!"
Member
I could see one like this along those lines:
Jace, Master Conjurer 2UU
Planeswalker - Jace
{+1} Draw a card.
{-X} Put X 0/2 blue Jace Beleren Creature Tokens onto the battlefield. Each token has "When this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it".
{-6} Put five tokens onto the battlefield. Each of those tokens enter the battlefield as a copy of any permanent on the battlefield, except it's an Illusion in addition to its other types and it gains "When this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it."
[3]
Still too good for Standard, though.
Jace, Master Conjurer 2UU
Planeswalker - Jace
{+1} Draw a card.
{-X} Put X 0/2 blue Jace Beleren Creature Tokens onto the battlefield. Each token has "When this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it".
{-6} Put five tokens onto the battlefield. Each of those tokens enter the battlefield as a copy of any permanent on the battlefield, except it's an Illusion in addition to its other types and it gains "When this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it."
[3]
Still too good for Standard, though.
Joe Molotov
Member
Bofamog
A Serious Man
Member
It's a baller in mono white, there is reason Sam Black rolled with 4 of them at Worlds. It's a 2/2 first striker for 1 (since the Plains comes into play untapped) that will allow you to play the new Gideon or a Archangel of Tithes on turn 3 if you're on the draw. That's pretty fucking good and if mono white goes anywhere after rotation you can bet the Knight will be a part of it's core.
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