Etrian Oddity
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MtG: Battle for Zendikar |OT| Ugin, assemble a team of five walkers with attitude!
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Magic: the Gathering |OT4| Izzet Me; Izzet You? A Love Story
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SigmasonicX
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I'd hold off on Oath of the Guildwatch references until that set's spoiler season; we can always change the title then.
Infinite Stars
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
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Only the ones that are bad.
The spoiling everything early was the really bizarre part. If you've got 10 cards to work with, spoil one or two saucy ones beforehand (maybe Gideon) but save the rest for the show, when everyone watching will get pumped about them.
I don't think it's a bubble problem exactly. R&D does get a decent amount of new blood, which is mostly from dedicated players but not OMG NURD types. Ashly Burch isn't even a bad choice, she's popular for talking about games on camera, but the format of the show actively cuts against what anyone who likes her videos would find entertaining. If you want to do this sort of thing, get your Youtube celeb to do some pre-recorded buffers and put the live people in something more like a panel situation and less like a variety show.
They definitely buy them, collect dumb pop figurines, like loot crate on facebook, wear shirts from loot crates in to work despite being too young to get the dorky property pictured on the shirt... fake geek guys, basically.
Joe Molotov
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Etrian Oddity
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So, inspired by a similar thread over on Salvation, which cards from Theros and M15 are you going to miss? Which ones won't you miss?
- Will Miss
- Ulcerate (bar-none the most underrated and underused card in M15. It's a staple in my B decks)
- Xenagos the Reveler (he feels like the essence of what a G/R walker should be)
- Satyr Wayfinder (Delve is gonna miss him dearly)
- Garruk, Apex Predator (G/B is my favorite combo from a flavor perspective)
Won't Miss - Courser of Kruphix (overpowered and oversaturated card, don't let the door hit you on your ass)
- Hornet Queen and Hornet's Nest (go die in a fire
)
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Good god. I just got to handle a proxy this guy got off eBay of a dual land and I couldn't tell the difference at all until I held up a real Revised card next to it. The differences in look and feel could literally be entirely attributed to the age of the real card. 
Good god. I just got to handle a proxy this guy got off eBay of a dual land and I couldn't tell the difference at all until I held up a real Revised card next to it. The differences in look and feel could literally be entirely attributed to the age of the real card.
This worries me somewhat.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I've handled some really shitty fakes before, but nothing about this suggested fake at all outside of the brightest light right next to a legit Revised land (I didn't have another real dual to compare with).
Not gonna lie, there's a part of my brain telling me to sell out of my duals now before a crash.
SigmasonicX
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Good god. I just got to handle a proxy this guy got off eBay of a dual land and I couldn't tell the difference at all until I held up a real Revised card next to it. The differences in look and feel could literally be entirely attributed to the age of the real card.
What I'm getting out of this is that you could tell the card was a fake just by holding it next to a real version.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean only if you told me the real version was the real one. The only difference I could see was that real cards have yellowed over time, but I only had a basic land to compare with so a sleeved dual might look identical.
Good god. I just got to handle a proxy this guy got off eBay of a dual land and I couldn't tell the difference at all until I held up a real Revised card next to it. The differences in look and feel could literally be entirely attributed to the age of the real card.
Over the past few months, I've bought about ten duals, most were in mint condition. This gives me no comfort at all. People need to stop pretending that this is not a very real issue.
EDIT: Is it possible for a real dual to not have yellowed over time if it's always been sleeved?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean, you can tell if you just look at the cards printing and edges really closely, the borders should be all equally thick on all sides, and on this one they weren't (like the black border on the edge got kind of dull and thin, which is noticeable on white-bordered cards), but its not something I'd ever, ever notice in a game because I'm sitting across from the guy and the card doesn't look obviously off.
But if you look real close and it looks just like a regular old Revised land (which are plentiful and cost nothing), its probably fine. I'd say its still about a generation off from being indistinguishable to the naked eye from what I saw, since the thickness and feel of the card was pretty spot on.
But if you look real close and it looks just like a regular old Revised land (which are plentiful and cost nothing), its probably fine. I'd say its still about a generation off from being indistinguishable to the naked eye from what I saw, since the thickness and feel of the card was pretty spot on.
Sleeves weren't really a common thing for a number of years there but it's possible if it were stored properly and not exposed to much light. Have you looked at the Duals real close using a jeweler's loupe? The fakes are getting close enough that they're passing a number of the common tests nowadays.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
This is one of things that mostly just makes me think "man the Reserved List is horseshit."
No I only did a light test. I bought it from a guy whom I know personally and whom a local LGS owner vouches for. I don't think he would try to pass off a fake as a real to me but it could very well be a case of him not knowing it's fake.
WanderingWind
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Yup. The market is speaking. It will get the cards it wants to play with. The only question now is "how much money is WotC willing to leave on the table."
And before we get into the tired reserved list argument again, they could still do a gold-bordered cube product with most of the cards people want to play with. It may not kill counterfeits (nothing will) but short of abolishing the reserve list and being more aggressive than a newborn kitten with repritnts, that's their best option for tackling the root cause of why counterfeits are wanted.
blindrocket
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Yeah, it's true.
I bought some revised dual proxies off eBay, with blue core. They are amazing in quality but obviously I'm not going to try and sell them.
Buyer beware right now.
I bought some revised dual proxies off eBay, with blue core. They are amazing in quality but obviously I'm not going to try and sell them.
Buyer beware right now.
A Serious Man
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What would happen if someone tried to play in a tournament in one of these fakes that look enough like the real thing that you couldn't tell by glancing at it?
I'm guessing most opponents wouldn't be able to tell unless they picked the card up and examined it next to a real one?
What would happen if you got caught? disqualification? Banned from tournaments? What if you bought it thinking it was real and didn't realize it wasn't?
I'm guessing most opponents wouldn't be able to tell unless they picked the card up and examined it next to a real one?
What would happen if you got caught? disqualification? Banned from tournaments? What if you bought it thinking it was real and didn't realize it wasn't?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The fakes are so good now I imagine there are no real circumstances where you'd be caught. Judges aren't taking a jewelers' loupe to every card in a tournament with hundreds or even thousands of players.
Thats kind of what I was thinking. The fact that these can be seen as tournament playable cards since there is such a small chance of getting caught is crazy.
divisionbyzorro
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I like the interpretation of Godless Shrine as a busted temple to an Eldrazi.
If someone caught you (as unlikely as that is) the fakes would get confiscated, and the judges would try to figure out if you knew you were using fakes or not. If you convince them you didn't know you'd get the opportunity to replace them from a vendor or put basic lands in their place and (I think) you'd get a game loss for deck/deck list problem. If they think you knew what you were doing you would get DQed. That could lead to a ban from Wizards for a bit.
Makes me glad my duals are real, but it kind of cheapens the feeling a bit.
I bought an unlimited trop island years ago at a grand prix and have enjoyed watching its value climb over the years. If some muthafuckas with their fakies screw with the value I will have to burn something down. I don't know what, but something.
Although after finally completing my prior goal of a playset of noble heiarchs and goyfs and a stack of fetchlands, it would be nice to get a price break as I pursue my new two year goal of obtaining a usable amount of duals.
Although after finally completing my prior goal of a playset of noble heiarchs and goyfs and a stack of fetchlands, it would be nice to get a price break as I pursue my new two year goal of obtaining a usable amount of duals.
They are, but I've had them for several years and they're noticeably worn and yellowed. Hard to fake that kind of age and wear.
"God's Beard!"
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Is this too much to ask for?
Inquisition of Ulamog B
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Target player reveals his or her hand. You choose a colorless card from it. That player discards that card.
Dem feel bads.
Inquisition of Ulamog B
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Target player reveals his or her hand. You choose a colorless card from it. That player discards that card.
Dem feel bads.
Getting a playset of any of these lands are gonna be so expensive. ;_;
I must have a playset of this, Steam Vents, Hallowed Fountain and Breeding Pool.
Only a mere $3200 and that's a low ball estimate.
I think they talked about this during one of the recent MTGGoldfish podcasts. One of them was talking about spotting a bunch of fakes recently at a large Legacy event and not bothering to call a judge about it. The way they talked about it they're already so rampant that it's largely ignored unless they're glaringly bad fakes or it's pretty obvious that a very large portion of your deck is counterfeit. In those obvious cases of knowingly using counterfeits ultron covered WotC & event coordinator actions pretty well.
Check the blacks to see if they were printed on top of the colored layer or if they were obviously printed at the same time, dot pattern, blue core, bend test, light test, water bead test, etc. Basically, have a jeweler's loupe ready if you're looking to acquire any relatively expensive cards that don't have the holographic stamp thing.
I strongly suspect Duals are not more expensive because of near-indistinguishable fakes that entered the market a long time ago.
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