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Magic: the Gathering |OT4| Izzet Me; Izzet You? A Love Story
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divisionbyzorro
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It's insulting. There are zero good reasons to not have reprinted Serum Visions yet, aside from sheer cluelessness.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
da fuck?
They (finally) figured out that you just set the block a billion years in the future where you can use all the fun anime tropes you want. Note the wording of the question.
Came up on Rosewater's blog a few months ago, IIRC.
(Also, may be in Origins.)
charlequin
Banned
"There's always a chance" is Maro for "no."
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Normally he's been pretty explicit about "no look really we're not going back to Kamigawa". Any response other than that threw me for a loop
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Kamigawa was a failure because they tried to use actual Japanese mythology instead of realizing people wanted anime world. I'm like half-serious here.
Once MTG gets waifus, you'll know the game is complete. And Ashley Zealot being hardcore tsundere for Tiago Snapcaster doesn't count.
Once MTG gets waifus, you'll know the game is complete. And Ashley Zealot being hardcore tsundere for Tiago Snapcaster doesn't count.
Sequence Six
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Maybe he's tired of repeatedly getting asked the same thing over and over and he just wants to mess with people now.
I get the appeal of the flavor of Kamigawa but the reality of that block was pretty dire when it was new. And if we're going to go with the "but we can salvage the idea" sentiment then we should just embrace destiny and go back to Ulgrotha already. Those monoblue dwarf wizards aren't going to save themselves from the forestwalking vampires, you know.
No, you're full-on right. You go full-out fantasy Anime (Naruto, Bleach, Inuyasha, etc.) and you don't apologize for it.
They already have a Japanese world, and even better, the world was set thousands of years in the past, which means the leap to a radically different world works without having to make any ridiculous jumps.
Edit: And it's not like there's a precedent for doing a highly successful sequel series with a radically different tone or anything in the modern era or anything. Not at all.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
No its exactly that and I'm entirely serious. The way they try to do top down driven worldbuilding now is by pulling from the player's pre-existing knowledge as much as possible (with varying degrees of success, see Innistrad vs Theros) and to the majority of Magic's audience yeah, Japanese mythology would be basically anime world
Also Magic already got its waifu
Although thank god she's the only one so we don't lose our minds arguing over who the "best girl" is
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Going for the tone of something like Inuyasha or the general Miyazaki vibe (think Princess Mononoke) would probably work. Lets not ever wish Naruto as an influence on anything.
Honestly if we're thinking about what anime influence we'd like to see on a Magic set, its not specifically Japanese but I'd like to see them just go completely fucking nuts with a Hunter x Hunter style world sometime.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Also Magic already got its waifu
Although thank god she's the only one so we don't lose our minds arguing over who the "best girl" is
C'mon, you know that there's some dark corner of the internet where people are having MtG waifu wars right now...
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
I'd be behind a Hunter x Hunter themed world. Nen as a mechanic would probably get real weird, in a good way:
That is literally the dumbest thing I've heard a human being say in some time. I mean dear God. I'm usually a big fan of Maro but he can fuck right off with that statement (or if he's making that statement on behalf of someone else that mystery person(s) can fuck off).
I never played Homelands but I'd be down to going back to Ulgrotha with modern design principles in tow. It always feels a bit weird when they mention how old worlds weren't popular but then fail to mention that 90% or more of the people playing Magic now don't have bad experiences with those old worlds which make that data less and less relevant as time goes on.
No clearly Liliana is "best girl" you baka!
#Kappa
On a serious note I'm not a fan of the artist they chose for the Japanese version of Jace vs. Chandra. SO MANY talented individuals they could have gone with but alas. I'm actually kind of annoyed/surprised we don't have a long running Magic animated series though. Seems like it would be a great IP to use. Given how hard it is to get action/fantasy shows off the ground in the States, they may have to turn to someone in Japan like Madhouse or Bones but I'd 100% watch/but it if it was good
I'd say I'd want a DBZ world but Dragon Ball has strong Chinese influences that might make it too similar to the Jeskai for example.
Just because Naruto is a poorly written piece of shit doesn't mean there aren't nuggets of goodness you can pull out of it. More broadly, Ninjas are still and will ALWAYS be inherently awesome. Most of Naruto being shit won't change that
Infinite Stars
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That is literally the dumbest thing I've heard a human being say in some time. I mean dear God. I'm usually a big fan of Maro but he can fuck right off with that statement (or if he's making that statement on behalf of someone else that mystery person(s) can fuck off).
I never played Homelands but I'd be down to going back to Ulgrotha with modern design principles in tow. It always feels a bit weird when they mention how old worlds weren't popular but then fail to mention that 90% or more of the people playing Magic now don't have bad experiences with those old worlds which make that data less and less relevant as time goes on.
No clearly Liliana is "best girl" you baka!#Kappa
On a serious note I'm not a fan of the artist they chose for the Japanese version of Jace vs. Chandra. SO MANY talented individuals they could have gone with but alas. I'm actually kind of annoyed/surprised we don't have a long running Magic animated series though. Seems like it would be a great IP to use. Given how hard it is to get action/fantasy shows off the ground in the States, they may have to turn to someone in Japan like Madhouse or Bones but I'd 100% watch/but it if it was good
I'd say I'd want a DBZ world but Dragon Ball has strong Chinese influences that might make it too similar to the Jeskai for example.
Just because Naruto is a poorly written piece of shit doesn't mean there aren't nuggets of goodness you can pull out of it. More broadly, Ninjas are still and will ALWAYS be inherently awesome. Most of Naruto being shit won't change that
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I never really looked into Kawigma, but I like the idea of it. However, the whole thing is doomed to fail because when it comes to mythos that you can build Japanese is near the bottom in terms of knowledge.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm not sure I want to see a modern anime interpretation of Jace.
SigmasonicX
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I'm actually kind of annoyed/surprised we don't have a long running Magic animated series though. Seems like it would be a great IP to use. Given how hard it is to get action/fantasy shows off the ground in the States, they may have to turn to someone in Japan like Madhouse or Bones but I'd 100% watch/but it if it was good
The Duel Masters manga started out being about Magic (though I've never actually seen more details about this), and Duel Masters is a Wizards TCG.
Pop-O-Matic
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It was obviously meant to be a tie-in to the manga version of The Purifying Fire that was running around that time, so they used the same artist that was drawing that.
I think if there was a MtG cartoon, I and a lot of others would want a story set in the MtG multiverse rather than a Yu-Gi-Oh! style show about the game itself like Duel Masters is/was.
I dunno about Kamigawa but more anime- As someone who was watching Inuyasha every night on Adult Swim and was 16 when the set came out, I thought Champions was just different enough to be interesting, while still feeling at least somewhat close to Inuyasha in a way that made me really excited to look at the art, read flavor texts, and read the book.
That said, for some reason, I felt that Betrayers was missing a lot of that feel, and Saviors might as well been based on an entirely different theme.
That said, for some reason, I felt that Betrayers was missing a lot of that feel, and Saviors might as well been based on an entirely different theme.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Jace would say psuedo deep shit all time and just act like Sasuke from Naruto, Chandra would be all tsundere, Liliana would be an entitled ojou who goes ~ohhohohohoho, Ajani would be voiced by Norio Wakamoto and Garruk would be super hot blooded warrior guy.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
So nothing has changed, then?
"God's Beard!"
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Sorin is Shikamaru, Sorin the best confirmed again.
Joe Molotov
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";163361611]Sorin is Shikamaru, Sorin the best confirmed again.[/QUOTE]
Sorin would be a waif-like bishounen, like Vampire Hunter D
Sorin would be a waif-like bishounen, like Vampire Hunter D
Sequence Six
Member
That picture reminds me how I used to always lose to my friend's mono black aggro deck with Nightmares. Then I discovered Magical Hack and thought I was soooo clever.
manipulate
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Sorin would be a waif-like bishounen, like Vampire Hunter D
They should commission Amano to do art for a cycle of Planeswalkers
Not even kidding
Alternate R-18 art boosters sold online at MSRP of 14.99
Sequence Six
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They should commission Amano to do art for a cycle of Planeswalkers
Not even kidding
I'm not a big fan of his art but that would be cool to see what he would come up with. But a lot of the distinctive artists have already been pruned away. There are absolutely great artists still contributing to the game but I miss some old names with particular styles.
Joe Molotov
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BRB, maxing out my credit cards on preorders.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I had a buddy that tried to get me into painting gay porn for all the anime fangirls in Asia on pixiv. I was gonna do it since they pay pretty good for what amounts to doodles, but my friend had to leave the country and she was my translator lol
I'm going to have to see your portfolio to determine if you could indeed make it as a gay porn painter on Pixiv.
Also where's our mockup novel cover of "Izzet You, Izzet Me?"?! You've been holding out on us the entire time.
Also where's our mockup novel cover of "Izzet You, Izzet Me?"?! You've been holding out on us the entire time.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Well I actually did do some work, so I guess I could. But my client was speaking through my friend and it kind of fell apart when she left. Zero English. I've been doing other stuff, so to be honest I kinda forgot since this was years ago lol
Dat Asscreed
I'm waiting until I finish the script for the MTG flash dating sim I wrote. That'll be my ultimate troll. But to be honest, it's like, work, you know?
We all know Wakamoto's greatness would only fit Nicol Bolas. Then, Sorin could be Castlevania's Alucard (daddy issues and all), and Jace would constantly make sure things go according to keikaku.
Still, it's true that Kamigawa probably bombed flavor-wise because very few people actually know enough about shintoism to get the references used on the cards. Then again, we later got krakens in Theros because of the infamous "release the kraken!" line, which probably means that public perception trumps reality for modern card designs. To the uninformed, Kamigawa's kamis and most races were pretty random and all over the place, samurai sucked (come on, bushido!) and splice onto arcane was a ridiculously parasitic mechanic. I think the only thing that was decent on both the theme and mechanics aspects were ninjas, and even then they were failry one-note.
fixed? sigh
Sequence Six
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I don't think I fully understand the strategy of having MM be a mix of draft-friendly and Modern tools. Would the set suffer for being tilted towards being a bucket of Modern tools? Because I feel it's suffering for tilting in the other direction too far. You can still draft a clunky set and I don't think sales would suffer. Heck, it would be like suicide drafting with value cards. The set itself would be like a higher-value Chronicles.
It feels more like the draft aspect is a now baked-in excuse to keep the set's overall value down which makes the idea of it being called Modern Masters a little silly. Not outright silly, but a little silly. There has to be a better balance for the company and the customer than being stacked at mythic with a wasteland of value below.
It feels more like the draft aspect is a now baked-in excuse to keep the set's overall value down which makes the idea of it being called Modern Masters a little silly. Not outright silly, but a little silly. There has to be a better balance for the company and the customer than being stacked at mythic with a wasteland of value below.
I'd personally be a lot less interested in it if the limited aspect wasn't there. I don't really play modern (or constructed much at all, for that matter), so having a good limited format is the most important in my eyes; especially at the start of the summer to fill the gap between the last set in the block and the the next set.
From what I've seen, from a design and development perspective, the set is mostly good. The real issues are at the distribution and pricing levels. Ideally the set would have a lower MSRP and be as available as Conspiracy was last year, but I get that Wizards is super cautious about upsetting the market. It makes sense, but I wish they were just a little more aggressive in that area.
From what I've seen, from a design and development perspective, the set is mostly good. The real issues are at the distribution and pricing levels. Ideally the set would have a lower MSRP and be as available as Conspiracy was last year, but I get that Wizards is super cautious about upsetting the market. It makes sense, but I wish they were just a little more aggressive in that area.
Sequence Six
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Having a set be limited-focused is great. I hate the idea of it costing this much to draft, though, especially because of the presence of poorly distributed value cards specifically included for a different format.
Drafting is the primary way ALOT of players play Magic the Gathering (i.e. me) so having a good, draftable format does a lot to increase the appeal and use of the product. Otherwise they literally are lottery tickets and you might as well never buy packs.The issue of course is that cards like Serum Visions, Path to Exile and Spell Pierce are still great maindeck or sideboard cards in limited. So their exclusion for "the sake of limited", if that is the argument WOTC is making, is STUPID. Like Telling Time could easily be swapped for Serum Visions and the limited format would be the same (or better). Balancing constructed and limited concerns is hard for any set but when you have obvious $9 commons not getting reprinted or a large number of non-broken commons now taking up precious uncommon slots, I understand people getting frustrated.
"God's Beard!"
Member
If they can't figure out how to balance value reprints with the limited format just fucking get rid of the rarities and call it Modern Cube 2015. Stick everything in there, fuck it.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
They're trying to go two different directions here and not really seeming to put a ton of thought into either. I don't know much about draft, but all the experts are shitting on it pretty hard. The value is there for people (like me) trying to pick up modern staples. But...then I look at what I actually need.
Need for decks I play now
Vendlillon Clique - 4
Cryptic - 3
Noble Hierarch - 4
Spellskite - 1 or 2
Nice to have, or future potential deck adds. Also Goyf.
Emrarul
Karn
Daybreak Coronet
Iona
Hurkyl's Recall
Remand
Dark Confidant
Tarmogoyf
Fulminator Mage
Mox Opal
Cheap pick-ups
Bolt
Vines of Vastwood
When I actually quantified what I was looking for, it makes more sense for me to just buy the cliques, commands and heirarchs than the 2 boxes I had preordered. I lose out on the potential lottery of opening a Goyf, but I miss out on the potential disappointment of opening Comet Storms.
It's still hard to pass up on the boxes, but I spend that kind of money and end up with shit I don't need, that's just no good. It also brings to mind that the more they print Modern Masters, the less I'll give a shit about them. Eventually all I'll want is Goyfs.
Need for decks I play now
Vendlillon Clique - 4
Cryptic - 3
Noble Hierarch - 4
Spellskite - 1 or 2
Nice to have, or future potential deck adds. Also Goyf.
Emrarul
Karn
Daybreak Coronet
Iona
Hurkyl's Recall
Remand
Dark Confidant
Tarmogoyf
Fulminator Mage
Mox Opal
Cheap pick-ups
Bolt
Vines of Vastwood
When I actually quantified what I was looking for, it makes more sense for me to just buy the cliques, commands and heirarchs than the 2 boxes I had preordered. I lose out on the potential lottery of opening a Goyf, but I miss out on the potential disappointment of opening Comet Storms.
It's still hard to pass up on the boxes, but I spend that kind of money and end up with shit I don't need, that's just no good. It also brings to mind that the more they print Modern Masters, the less I'll give a shit about them. Eventually all I'll want is Goyfs.
4 color collected company deck is doing pretty well at GP Paris, looks like Collected Company jumped up a lot as a result. Up to $7-8 on ebay right now.
I didn't get a chance to watch the deck aside from listening to the stream on my drive to work this morning, but it uses Mantis Rider, Rabblemaster, Savage Knuckleblades, and Fleecemane Lions as some targets. Not sure if main or side, but the deck also used Ojutai's Command and Hornet's Nest.
I didn't get a chance to watch the deck aside from listening to the stream on my drive to work this morning, but it uses Mantis Rider, Rabblemaster, Savage Knuckleblades, and Fleecemane Lions as some targets. Not sure if main or side, but the deck also used Ojutai's Command and Hornet's Nest.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";163372966]If they can't figure out how to balance value reprints with the limited format just fucking get rid of the rarities and call it Modern Cube 2015. Stick everything in there, fuck it.[/QUOTE]
Obviously they can't. There are just too many variables. And fuck the limited format. The set would sell out regardless of whether it is a good limited format or not and the low print run pretty much means that people won't be drafting it one week after it releases even if they want to because the boxes would be sold out by then.
And letting Maro write those posts on that ridiculous blog he runs makes them look even more stupid and is a PR disaster just waiting to happen; the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because Magic players are so used to eating Wizard's shit that they just don't call them out on it.
Obviously they can't. There are just too many variables. And fuck the limited format. The set would sell out regardless of whether it is a good limited format or not and the low print run pretty much means that people won't be drafting it one week after it releases even if they want to because the boxes would be sold out by then.
And letting Maro write those posts on that ridiculous blog he runs makes them look even more stupid and is a PR disaster just waiting to happen; the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because Magic players are so used to eating Wizard's shit that they just don't call them out on it.
ThLunarian
Member
The answers Maro gave to the Serum Visions question and the Daybreak Coronet question side by side are just.... Jesus Christ. PR disaster is right
divisionbyzorro
Member
It means that they really don't understand what made Modern Masters 1 so special. We thought they knew what they were doing, but in reality it seems they might have just gotten lucky.
I wonder if they are aware of how terrible MM15 looks. Maybe it's the best limited environment ever!!!111, but looking at the set it feels simply horrendous and I'm willing to bet that you can make a great limited environment for $10 a pack without having Long-Forgotten Gohei and shit.
"God's Beard!"
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To be honest the limited environment doesn't look good.
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