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[pelicansurf]

Elvish Mystic is pretty similar in all those regards, except it's awesome to have in turn 1.

This is an elvish mystic with down side. Significant downside in some scenarios (v. mono red)

 

[aidan]

Good in Limited, but renown is just kind of there. Maybe when they become famous, only one more guy joins, like in Ghostbusters.

For some reason Renown on this card reminds me of Final Fantasy XV. Just a buncha dude-bros making noise.

EDIT: Actually the second-to-the-right person looks like a woman.

 

[ultron87]

I was totally baffled by that card till I realized it doesn't have to tap itself to tap stuff. Now I see why it is a rare.

 

[aidan]

I was totally baffled by that card till I realized it doesn't have to tap itself to tap stuff. Now I see why it is a rare.

Shuts down Siege Rhino, then trades with it in combat.

 

[duxstar]

The difference in wording on a card that makes it from a must have 4 of in most decks.

If The new Hierarch say's "Vigilance, Tap to add 1 color of any mana to your mana pool; Renowned if this creature deals combat damage to target player put a +1/+1 counter on it" It is a better Birds of Paradise, as is it's junk and shouldn't be played.

You literally need a way to A) make sure he comes down turn 1 every time, B) make sure he hits just so you are sure to get your mana, and C) keep him alive long enough to use it, at that point I'm just playing Shaman of Forgotten ways if i need ramp, at least he really jumps (3 to 5) and has an alternate win condition.

This post just got my green white aggro deck mind thinking though


Turn 1 Honored Hierarch, Turn 2 Gideon, Hierarch, Turn 3 Swing (maybe keep up dromoka's command), Gideon Flips, Untaps a Hierarch, pray they don't have languish

 

[Firemind]

Why do you guys want Hierarch 2.0? Noble Hierarch was terrible for Standard.

 

[aidan]

Why do you guys want Hierarch 2.0? Noble Hierarch was terrible for Standard.

I think people would settle for a playable a CMC mana-ramp elf.

 

[Keru_Shiri]

I think it's wrong to evaluate Heirarch as a mana dork. It seems better suited in aggro our midrange lists that could use high value 1-drops that can apply pressure as a 2-power accelerant. And if it's reliably drawing hate, then it's doing what most good 1-drops do. Time will tell, of course.

Edit: To clarify, I'm talking about Standard. I don't see this making a splash in Modern, at least not with the current card pool.

 

[Wichu]

4 Encase in Ice
3 Font of Fortunes
3 Font of Vigor
2 Silkwrap
2 Suspension Field
4 Banishing Light
4 Kruphix's Insight
3 Monastery Siege
3 Eidolon of Blossoms
1 Dictate of Heliod
3 End Hostilities
4 Starfield of Nyx
4 Flooded Strand
2 Forest
2 Island
4 Plains
4 Temple of Enlightenment
4 Temple of Plenty
4 Windswept Heath

ihavenoideawhatimdoing.jpg

 

[ultron87]

My Nekusar deck really didn't need another draw 7, but I'll take it. It's also a cute way to duck an end of turn trigger, though I don't have one in mind at the moment.

This surprised me but this doesn't actually work, or at least Nekusar doesn't get to damage off of it. Anything that triggers from them drawing the cards never gets to resolve because the stack gets emptied when the turn ends.

http://magicjudge.tumblr.com/post/122268068484/question-about-the-newly-spoiled-days-undoing

 

[y2dvd]

I think it's wrong to evaluate Heirarch as a mana dork. It seems better suited in aggro our midrange lists that could use high value 1-drops that can apply pressure as a 2-power accelerant. And if it's reliably drawing hate, then it's doing what most good 1-drops do. Time will tell, of course.

Edit: To clarify, I'm talking about Standard. I don't see this making a splash in Modern, at least not with the current card pool.

Even in standards, it's totally fair to evaluate it as a mana dork. I mean, any card that says "tap for mana" is being looker at as a mana accelerator. Hierarch simply ask for too much just to be able to tap for mana. Hell, you get vigilance after triggering Renown. At least give it beforehand so you can T1 drop, T1 attack and if dmg goes thru, 2nd main phase tap for Mana. Nope, you still gotta tap out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but not any counters will trigger renown correct? If I'm reading this correctly, you have to deal combat dmg.

 

[Wichu]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but not any counters will trigger renown correct? If I'm reading this correctly, you have to deal combat dmg.

Yep, it works exactly like monstrosity. The counters and 'being renowned' are completely separate - adding counters another way won't make it renowned, and removing counters doesn't stop it being renowned.

 

[aidan]

Yep, it works exactly like monstrosity. The counters and 'being renowned' are completely separate - adding counters another way won't make it renowned, and removing counters doesn't stop it being renowned.

Since they're already printing double-sided cards in the set, it would have been fun if they'd used it for Renown.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

If the goal is to just print enough things to make it so Twin HAS to be banned, I salute them:

Kolaghan's Command is the only "real" Modern removal spell where this is advantageous over Pestermite. While it hits for 3 instead of 2, it has no evasion so it gets blocked all day. And it doesn't hit lands. This thing is a trap.

 

[Keru_Shiri]

Even in standards, it's totally fair to evaluate it as a mana dork. I mean, any card that says "tap for mana" is being looker at as a mana accelerator. Hierarch simply ask for too much just to be able to tap for mana. Hell, you get vigilance after triggering Renown. At least give it beforehand so you can T1 drop, T1 attack and if dmg goes thru, 2nd main phase tap for Mana. Nope, you still gotta tap out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but not any counters will trigger renown correct? If I'm reading this correctly, you have to deal combat dmg.

Well, you CAN evaluate it as a mana dork, but I think it's unreliable as one, compared to Elvish Mystic etc. I just don't think it's meant to serve the same role as things like Noble Heirarch or Sylvan Caryatid, despite the obvious parallels.

 

[Bandini]

Kolaghan's Command is the only "real" Modern removal spell where this is advantageous over Pestermite. While it hits for 3 instead of 2, it has no evasion so it gets blocked all day. And it doesn't hit lands. This thing is a trap.

Yeah, I don't see this going into Twin decks. It's a nice limited card, though.

 

[acheron_xl]

This surprised me but this doesn't actually work, or at least Nekusar doesn't get to damage off of it. Anything that triggers from them drawing the cards never gets to resolve because the stack gets emptied when the turn ends.

http://magicjudge.tumblr.com/post/122268068484/question-about-the-newly-spoiled-days-undoing

Huh. I hadn't considered that. That is one cleverly designed card.

 

[Angry Grimace]

zzzzzz

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Hey that's a cool card. I could put that in my Melek deck either in place of or alongside Arcane Melee.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Hey that's a cool card. I could put that in my Melek deck either in place of or alongside Arcane Melee.

Its one of those EDH cards that's sort of neat but I'd probably never even look at once and just throw it in my bulk box.

 

[Matriox]

Etrian_Oddity, why not add me.

So far Ive only intended on drafting but mtgo experience has been better than I expected. Might build something inexpensive for standard/modern.

EDIT: forgot to mention I'll add you when I get on lol, Matriox24

EDIT 2: Anyone know any good bots to sell to? Or do I just need to find some in trade and check offers? I packed a tarmogoyf and a noble hierarch from my MM2 draft and it seems theyre worth something online.

 

[y2dvd]

Not halfway through spoilers yet but they need to reveal something to get excited about because these cards are boring thus far.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Not halfway through spoilers yet but they need to reveal something to get excited about because these cards are boring thus far.

Tundra reprint would be good enough for me.

 

[WanderingWind]

Spoiler season is so fun.

 

[manipulate]

zzzzzz

they need to put this on a 2/2 body

 

["God's Beard!"]

Shadow of Doubt is 8 bucks? What the hell?

 

[Angry Grimace]

Not halfway through spoilers yet but they need to reveal something to get excited about because these cards are boring thus far.

This is like Born of the Gods-tier so far.

 

["God's Beard!"]

M15 had:

Goblin Rabblemaster
Stoke the Flames
Nissa, Worldwaker
Perilous Vault
Radiant Fountain
Hornet Queen
Hornet Nest
Reclamation Sage
Soul of Theros
Pro Tour Top 8 God Card Genesis Hydra

Chord of Calling reprint
Painland reprints
Urborg Reprint


ORI has:

Strictly worse versions of every old card
Flipwalkers
...

 

[Matriox]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";169613354]M15 had:

Goblin Rabblemaster
Stoke the Flames
Nissa, Worldwaker
Perilous Vault
Radiant Fountain
Hornet Queen
Hornet Nest
Reclamation Sage
Soul of Theros
Pro Tour Top 8 God Card Genesis Hydra

Chord of Calling reprint
Painland reprints
Urborg Reprint


ORI has:

Strictly worse versions of every old card
Flipwalkers
...[/QUOTE]

To be fair we havnt seen the lands yet. Also Languish. Otherwise yep, Origins isn't really looking to change the game, but I've been wrong about card evaluation before.

 

[Jhriad]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";169612382]Shadow of Doubt is 8 bucks? What the hell?[/QUOTE]

It was in Patrick Chapin's Grixis deck at GP Charlotte as a one of and thus it was bound to jump. Welcome to the new world of Magic card prices.

 

[kirblar]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";169612382]Shadow of Doubt is 8 bucks? What the hell?[/QUOTE]
0 reprints. It's been high for a while.

 

[bigkrev]

It's actually been a 10 dollar card for a while[/URL] and it's starting to drop in price a little bit

 

[red13th]

More boring spoilers, yey.

 

[bigkrev]

Clash Pack foil, just to really drive home the fact they think this is a good card

 

[ultron87]

Pretty good Seeker of the Way alt art at least!

 

["God's Beard!"]

0 reprints. It's been high for a while.

I'm not saying it jumped, it just blows my mind that a card that is an occasional 1-of as a throwaway cantrip is so much.

 

[GregLombardi]

zzzzzz

What is wrong with you people.

This is insane.

 

[kirblar]

What is wrong with you people.

This is insane.

In what competitive format, exactly?

 

[GregLombardi]

In what competitive format, exactly?

EDIT

WHOOAAA I misread that card. I'm dumb, sorry.

Very dumb! I thought it said "insant and sorcery spells you cast cost 1 colorless to cast", not 1 less.

I am very dumb!

 

[phazedplasma]

so if I put a 1/1 counter on something does it become renown. It seems confusing.

 

[bigkrev]

so if I put a 1/1 counter on something does it become renown. It seems confusing.

No, it's like Monstrous.

 

[kirblar]

so if I put a 1/1 counter on something does it become renown. It seems confusing.

No, it's like monstrous. They're going to run into trouble if they keep doing this type of mechanic so often.

 

[OnPoint]

so if I put a 1/1 counter on something does it become renown. It seems confusing.

No. The renown status is not tied to the counter, I believe.

EDIT

WHOOAAA I misread that card. I'm dumb, sorry.

Very dumb! I thought it said "insant and sorcery spells you cast cost 1 colorless to cast", not 1 less.

I am very dumb!

We've all done this. lol

 

[y2dvd]

Clash Pack foil, just to really drive home the fact they think this is a good card

Let's think it more fun ways to make this card legit lol. Maybe something like "tape for G mana. If creature is Renown, it gains Vigilance and can tap for any color mana." Boom, better card right there.

What is wrong with you people.

This is insane.

You can't say it's going to be insane and give no speculations as to why lol. I don't think this will be worth losing a whole turn on.

 

[GregLombardi]

You can't say it's going to be insane and give no speculations as to why lol. I don't think this will be worth losing a whole turn on.

I have backtracked on my insane statement because I misread the card completely. It would be insane to run it.

 

[aidan]

Let's think it more fun ways to make this card legit lol. Maybe something like "tape for G mana. If creature is Renown, it gains Vigilance and can tap for any color mana." Boom, better card right there.

Even tapping for colourless initially would make it more playable.

What other sort of cards would need to be revealed to make it playable? Something that makes all other creatures on your side of renowned?

 

[acheron_xl]

Even tapping for colourless initially would make it more playable.

What other sort of cards would need to be revealed to make it playable? Something that makes all other creatures on your side of renowned?

Big Dave, the Hero-Maker
2G
Legendary Creature - Human Dude
Renown 3
When Big Dave becomes renowned, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control with renown that isn't renowned. They become renowned.
2/3

edit: ok, still doesn't make Heirarch awesome, but whatever.

 

[aidan]

Big Dave, the Hero-Maker
2G
Legendary Creature - Human Dude
Renown 3
When Big Dave becomes renowned, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control with renown that isn't renowned. They become renowned.
2/3

edit: ok, still doesn't make Heirarch awesome, but whatever.

1
Bedazzled Microphone
Artifact
Tap: Target creature is renowned until end of turn
Microphone check, one, two, what is this?

 

[G.ZZZ]

Hierarch just needed vigilance before being renowned and it would've been a good card. But w/e it's not like green lack good mana critters.

 

[Keru_Shiri]

Even tapping for colourless initially would make it more playable.

What other sort of cards would need to be revealed to make it playable? Something that makes all other creatures on your side of renowned?

Social Media Expert
W
Creature- Human Advisor
Creatures you control are renowned.
"This is sure to go viral!"
0/1