JetBlackPanda
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Uh yes that's how it works.
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Malaysia Airlines flight en route from Amsterdam shot down over Ukraine; no survivors
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Uh yes that's how it works.
Does it matter? Does anyone actually think NATO would go to war over this?
Maninthemirror
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If the EU did not have such deep gas ties with Russia, we would already be in the beginning of world war III
Obama knows NATO aren't going to go to war over this, so he can get away with saying that.
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It's the bomb, not gas that prevents war. Not that WW3 would come of this anyway.
cooljeanius
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No it wouldn't. People need to quit it with the hyperbole.
...no we wouldn't.
As if gas shortages would be anywhere near as bad as WW3.
War by Proxy.
"not saying it was Putin,
...but it was Putin"
That about covers it?
superdeluxe
Member
You would think if Russia is involved we would send defensive weapons to ukraine
helloresolven
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Yes, the Western World would obviously want to get into a war with the only other country that could destroy us all...
We may help militarily with suppressing the pro-Russian rebels now, but we will have no part in a direct war with Russia.
Maninthemirror
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You can pretty much guaruntee there would be NATO forces vs Separatists inside Ukraine if it were not for the deep economic ties between EU and Russia. The only reason the British did not come out so strongly as they did along with some other EU nations is because the global economy is so intertwined with each other and that includes Russia
Snkfanatic
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What....do people really think like this?
It's an illusion to think that anyone will start a war against Russia.
What are you talking about? NATO is not the world police and Ukraine is not a member of this organization. We have the UN for things like that and no warmonger organization.
They wouldn't go to war unless Russia actually invades them. The most they would do is more sanctions and other forms of punishment against their economy.
Ukraine has plenty of weapons already. No need to send more.
Mass_Pincup
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I don't understand people who talk about WWIII. The existence of nuclear weapon alone should prevent anyone to believe it.
If the EU did not have such deep gas ties with Russia they could embargo Putin out of power.
No your statements are so removed from reality it's mind boggling.
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I think it's a mixture of being influenced by the media (films/games) and only a basic understanding of these issues and what led to the previous world wars.
I think we should start a thread on that sometime, because while I think anyone who thinks WWIII will start over this is completely wrong, I don't buy into the notion that there will never be a WWIII simply because of the existence of nuclear weapons. I think it's a bad argument.
But that's not for this thread.
The USSR shot down a commercial plane in 1983 with fighter jets and nothing happened, with a US senator on board, during the Reagan presidency. Nothing happened then, I seriously doubt we will go to war, even if Russia said they did it. Obama is much more calculated then Reagan.
GasProblem
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A dutch journalist is saying that there are reports from Ukraine that the international investigators have been shot at at the scene of the crash:
https://twitter.com/erikmouthaanRTL/status/490167502018994176
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Taking this with a grain of salt though.
https://twitter.com/erikmouthaanRTL/status/490167502018994176
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Taking this with a grain of salt though.
RumblingRosco
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You know what I hate? Fucking these dumb mother fuckers (a girl I met years ago but haven't talked to since about 2011... time to unfriend this nonsense):
http://imgur.com/cAJOlSi
http://imgur.com/ke3fbWZ
http://imgur.com/usgeznj
They added the caption "We lose planes, not games" to the pictures.
Decided not to embed, but it's basically a costume some soon-to-be ex-FB friends made for "beer Olympics" that they have once a year; each team picks a country to represent and I guess they chose Malaysia. The party occurred about two weeks ago, so before the recent MH17 flight... but obviously after the MH370 disappearance from March. I guess there's no major point in sharing this, it just pissed me the fuck off and I guess exposing their idiocy some how makes me feel a tiny bit better.
EDIT: I should send this shit to the local news or Buzzfeed with their names and have it go viral, but maybe that's going too far.
http://imgur.com/cAJOlSi
http://imgur.com/ke3fbWZ
http://imgur.com/usgeznj
They added the caption "We lose planes, not games" to the pictures.
Decided not to embed, but it's basically a costume some soon-to-be ex-FB friends made for "beer Olympics" that they have once a year; each team picks a country to represent and I guess they chose Malaysia. The party occurred about two weeks ago, so before the recent MH17 flight... but obviously after the MH370 disappearance from March. I guess there's no major point in sharing this, it just pissed me the fuck off and I guess exposing their idiocy some how makes me feel a tiny bit better.
EDIT: I should send this shit to the local news or Buzzfeed with their names and have it go viral, but maybe that's going too far.
ErasureAcer
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I wonder what the USA's response would be if 300 Americans were on the plane. Since it's only 1 American...Obama can twiddle his thumbs. I'm not for war...I'm just wondering what the response would have been. I agree with others...nothing will come of this. Rebel fighters might stop shooting down planes for awhile but they'll be back to it within a year if they're still fighting Ukraine.
It's mind boggling that people are still acting as if sanctions against Russia would hurt Europe more than it would hurt Russia.
Have you guys actually read up on the subject?
If that happened, it would most likely lead to changes in legislation in both Europe and the US to alleviate the problems, obviously not fully, but partly. Russia would have a way harder time if they for example lost access to large parts of the capital markets.
I'd say the reason it hasn't happened yet is because it's not gonna be free, rather than the lack of efficacy against Russia.
Can't say that solutions like more fracking would be very popular either.
Have you guys actually read up on the subject?
If that happened, it would most likely lead to changes in legislation in both Europe and the US to alleviate the problems, obviously not fully, but partly. Russia would have a way harder time if they for example lost access to large parts of the capital markets.
I'd say the reason it hasn't happened yet is because it's not gonna be free, rather than the lack of efficacy against Russia.
Can't say that solutions like more fracking would be very popular either.
Ive been watching CNN, MSNBC, BBC and Fox News since this went down and the only one I've noticed that really even says anything about Obama, let along slams him non-stop is Fox. Saying he's scared, or weak, or how our waning influence is because of him, etc. Seriously, every single pundit, and every commentator they bring on throws a slam his way. Fox is hard to watch, because it's so obvious they are pushing an agenda, in every single show. I mean, every channel is biased, but Fox is by far the most obvious.
But we knew this.
TacticalFox88
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Every single person on that plane could've been American and the outcome would still be the same.
The US not doing much, if at all.
The US not doing much, if at all.
The Lamonster
Member
You might be happier if you don't worry so much about what other people are doing. There are idiots all around us, try not to get hung up on it - unfriend and move on.
I'm really concerned that this is going to be the start a Russian/US war
The Soviet Union shot down a civilian airplane that had a US congressman among the passengers, and that didn't lead to war at the height of the Cold War.
You can relax.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
I hope we don't do anything.
superdeluxe
Member
How far is Russia from the Netherlands?
GasProblem
Member
I don't actually, but if it's Russian planes the timing is pretty bad.
And Russia does flyovers all the time. They love doing it.
jufonuk
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That would be a massive mistake,
Russia would then step in as Russia borders the Ukraine. And stuff will hit the fan
Because everyone is powder-burned from Iraq and Afghanistan and the U.S. population just isn't going to support a war unless we are overtly attacked on our soil.
Besides, there is no need right now. Further, eff the EU, they need to step up and handle their own backyard.
Nikodemos
Member
Dude, seriously, no. That would be bad and stupid. What they could do, and not cause a huge international incident, would be to get a missile lock on the Tu-95, and keep it long enough to scare the crew shitless.
Read up on article 5 of Nato.
If Russia goes into a Nato country, it will be treated as an attack on New York or Florida.
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