Reports of explosions at a Moscow metro station, eyewitness claims two explosions
Video of the scene: http://instagram.com/p/qpLZQkBwuh/
https://twitter.com/lifenews_ru/status/490570938501849088
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Malaysia Airlines flight en route from Amsterdam shot down over Ukraine; no survivors
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Holy Shit.Reports of explosions at a Moscow metro station, eyewitness claims two explosions
Video of the scene: http://instagram.com/p/qpLZQkBwuh/
https://twitter.com/lifenews_ru/status/490570938501849088
It doesen't matter who that is or if that even happened in corrlation to the Ukrain, but things get bad right now.
JohnTinker
Limbaugh Parrot
more info,
Locals claim it was an accident (?)
http://instagram.com/p/qpKzKhkrua/
hashtag translation:
#Nothing to See Here/#Just a Few Explosions in Butovo. Ambulance, fire trucks and cops..everything is normal #It's South Butovo
Locals claim it was an accident (?)
http://instagram.com/p/qpKzKhkrua/
hashtag translation:
#Nothing to See Here/#Just a Few Explosions in Butovo. Ambulance, fire trucks and cops..everything is normal #It's South Butovo
BrokenEchelon
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I always envision him sitting in a giant executive chair in some study staring at this mural, sipping on a stiff drink, a single tear welling up in his right eye, thinking "I'll bring it back Comrade, I'll bring it all back."
The sooner he's dead the better.
It's pretty clear Russia moved in soldiers in Crimea during that crisis. Is it so unbelievable they're doing it in Eastern Ukraine? Maybe these professional soldiers made a mistake because they're operating as a dark cell? Putin needs plausible deniability.
Chittagong
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Finnish president says world risks heading towards a second cold war, that Putin's actions in the next few days are crucial.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2014071918504639_uu.shtml
http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2014071918504639_uu.shtml
Maninthemirror
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2 experts on CNN saying the audio by Ukraine might be fake
Us intelligence expert: audio came in too fast and too conveniently for such a big event, not even the us intelligence is this fast and efficient
Audio expert: the Audio is too clear and they are in stereo which can only happen when you capture the audio at the telephone company itself on the line connecting both the calls , he said nsa fbi and CIA dont have calls this clear in his 40 years of audio recordings
How could ukraine make this so fast then ?
Us intelligence expert: audio came in too fast and too conveniently for such a big event, not even the us intelligence is this fast and efficient
Audio expert: the Audio is too clear and they are in stereo which can only happen when you capture the audio at the telephone company itself on the line connecting both the calls , he said nsa fbi and CIA dont have calls this clear in his 40 years of audio recordings
How could ukraine make this so fast then ?
Midnight Phoenix
Member
Yes, they can now point to Ukraine, USA or EU and things can get ugly.
Oh, that was video. It can be just car, that lignite itself.
GasProblem
Member
Pfff, you guys don't even know what happened.
They made the call over a network that went through a Ukrainian telephone company and are wondering how the government got a recording?
Maninthemirror
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CNN live
TheDefinitionOfInsanity
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Indeed. I thought it was fake the first time i listened to it. The audio is way too clear and noise free for a mobile phone.
UnluckyKate
Member
what audio ?
Midnight Phoenix
Member
Can Ukraine government request recordings from mobile companies? Or was it recorded from intercepted radio signal.
It doesn't seem that clear to me. Listened to it on the nyt site and there's distortion on it that's definitely worse than most calls on my phone.
Technosteve
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why don't we have an aircraft carrier in the Baltic
Midnight Phoenix
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Fast judging, bad from my side : D
Some locals says that their mobile is not working, so that must be radio.
The one with the rebels discussing the plane they just shot down
Would be dumb. I don't even think they would need it to prove the origin of the missile.
ape2man
Member
really, wtf. please go away.
I agree.
The big problem is, that it's not unlikely that anyone from the ukrainian side got excited and fake this call, even if that wasn't needed. Hopefully CNN is full of shit again and they just got very lucky with the material.
Dum things happen when people get emotional and want to win a war. Quite literally right now.
maniac-kun
Member
I think theres an US warship.
ambientric
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All the more reason to wait for a full and detailed independent investigation before jumping to conclusions, assigning blame calling for action.
Unfortunately, given circumstances on the ground, this is unlikely to occur.
It was probably a set up from the own Russian Government
Oh get the fuck out of here.
Imagine this being your grandchildren's toy and seeing these fucking pieces of shit holding it up on the internet.
My daughter has a little stuffed seal that she takes with her everywhere. If she had been on that plane (and I hadn't), seeing one of these ******** holding up Fluffy would send me over the edge. I can't rationalize why it would, but I'd be filled with rage.
I made my comment before I read that. So perhaps I spoke rashly. But think about it from someone's perspective that may not have seen the video.
Ok, I'll stop here. You wrote a lot of words, blaming almost everyone except the Russians. Keep doing your thing, I'll just ignore you. If I want to get Russia Today theories at list I can get them directly from the source.
Edit: there is no point in discussing absurd things like why would Ukrainians shoot a plane coming from their side and generally shooting a plane when there are no "enemy planes" in this fight for them. Unless Russia is directly involved in the war with planes. While you also state that Russia has nothing to do with the separatist. So many logic fallacies in this that there is no point in continuing the discussion if you don't see them yourself.
I don't think he's incompetent, he just doesn't give a single fuck and knows no shame.
Otherwise I completely agree. That guy needs to go and I don't care how.
Yo, context. I think plenty of people already stated, that he put it down and make a cross. If people are disrespectful and plundering - this guys right there a that moment isn't.
shinobi602
Member
Imagine this being your grandchildren's toy and seeing these fucking pieces of shit holding it up on the internet.
Maybe I'm just always positive but the voice inside me highly doubts these soldiers actually take pleasure in this...I don't think they're in a cheery mood that 300 innocent people died...
Who's to say what's even going on in this image? Maybe he's paying respects, maybe they're all getting ready to do just that, who knows...we need to have a level head before jumping down their throats right away.
Questioning-Psychics-over-the-disappearance-of-MH370-CNN?
That CNN?
In fairness, nobody in that image looks cheery or like they're gloating. There's no context to it.
There is the original video. But people just assume that it's something negative, while it's just some guy holding a toy.
Really, I am not with the rebells, but we should stay with the shit they really do and not some assumptions that are false.
Midnight Phoenix
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There is a video, he take this doll to pose for journalists and saying: "Let's make everyone to see, whom those bastards shut down".
He hold it only to pose for camera, that then russian news can make header something like "Ukrainian punishers shut down plain with kids".
ambientric
Banned
Agreed. Despite the tragic loss of life, this was a mistake, equivalent to manslaughter.
The understandable initial response is to want to pull the trigger, punish those responsible.
Instead, the best outcome will be, Russia to cut off supplies/support to the separatists. The Ukranian government to call a ceasefire and negotiate a truce with the separatists. An eventual federalization of the eastern ukranian provinces.
Further escalation of the conflict, supplying of military equipment by the US to the Ukranian government, backing Putin into a corner, will only risk a proxy war.
Midnight Phoenix
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They do this twice and every time it is payed with life of solders, that just human as civilians. They already shut down air plain. 49 solders died.
The scene is from this video.
I can understand it, since I can speak Russian (although I'm not a Russian) and he says something along the lines of :"Now everyone has seen whom they (I think he is referring to the Ukrainian Troops) shot down. Do you see?" while he is holding up the toy.
So he's just blaming Ukraine again.
God, you put hidden context into the context I thought was the hidden context. Jesus Christ.
welp, ok, I stand corrected.
captainnapalm
Member
I also thought it was fake. Just too convenient. And it was up on Youtube so quickly with graphics and pictures representing each guy talking. Suddenly there's a militant voice and it cuts to this picture of a scary looking guy terrorist dude all in black. It would have been funny and a little absurd if the situation wasn't so grave.
It can't be stressed enough how untrustworthy the government in Kiev is. Bunch of oligarchs and corrupt politicians that took power by force, filled with far-right elements. They immediately labelled separatists 'terrorists' and started bombing them, leading to over 1000 deaths and counting and thousands and thousands of refugees fleeing the area.
And despite the terrorist tag they were given, the separatists themselves, prior to this plane incident, had not taken the war to Western Ukraine or civilians at all, they only defended their own territories and targeted the military. Kiev, meanwhile, has been aggressively bombing them and bombing civilian areas in the east.
This is also obviously why the separatists are so distrustful and borderline hostile towards foreign elements coming to inspect the crash site. They are in a war zone during wartime and of course have already been declared guilty in the foreign media.
The government in Kiev also uses wild and inflammatory language all the time that makes one question just how rational they are as players in this conflict. They absolutely could have a hand in this tragedy as well, it's far from impossible.
Midnight Phoenix
Member
Found this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3h9EQ0YxgU#t=35
Translation:
Beautifully shot down, yes?
This is hunta air plain shut down.
It is fly so beautifully.
Blya smoke going.
Looks like plain fly and it was shut from RPG from somewhere.
And he beautifully came down.
Good job DNR.
Translation:
Beautifully shot down, yes?
This is hunta air plain shut down.
It is fly so beautifully.
Blya smoke going.
Looks like plain fly and it was shut from RPG from somewhere.
And he beautifully came down.
Good job DNR.
Midnight Phoenix
Member
This is true for radio? Just curios, as using mobile phone, when it can be turned off by Ukraine is little stupid. They must have radio as well.
What context? He picked up this doll just that photographers can make photo of him with a doll. You can see how he posing under claps of camera shutters.
I agree with all of you, and like I said I spoke rashly. However, a person who is grieving the loss of a child in a situation like this would not be rational. I was merely looking at it from the perspective of someone who may have seen this picture without the additional context.
Not to mention the Occam's razor in play here.
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