Wind's Howling
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Something tells me that a local fisherman or cargo ship will find some floating debri and not the Malaysian government. The level of incompetence I have seen the last couple of days is staggering to say the least.
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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Yeah I was in the cockpit during a flight to Majorca in the year 2000, I'm pretty sure this was only stopped after 9/11
Wind's Howling
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Pretty much. Yearly flights to Spain, Ibiza in the 90's had me talking and sitting with the pilots. This was quite a regular thing back in the day.
Betta Lines
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So just to reply to this, like many people are saying, I was also invited to the cockpit as a kid. I also remember my dad getting to sit at the 'jump seat' for an entire 12hr flight (from Malaysia, as it happens) because they mucked up his ticket and there were no seats available. It is these experiences that made me totally unfussed by the photos of the girl with the pilots in the cockpit. It seems totally normal to me. I haven't been on a plane for several years however.
Real-time streaming isn't going to make a plane more safe, just easier to find.
Broadcasting their GPS data via satellite is pretty much the only alternative. Radar's the best we've got as long-range detection and ranging is concerned.
Fjolle
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The better way to keep track of planes and boars are ADS-B (For planes) and AIS (For boats). These are already in use today (and ADS-B will be required in the future) and are the way sites like flightradar and marinetraffic are getting their data. These technologies have a couple of limitations that makes it hard to have surveillance everywhere all the time..
1: They require "line of sight", which as the earth isn't flat for boats are ~20 miles and ~200 miles (i think) for planes. This can be fixed by satellite surveillance...
2: They can be turned off. This can't really be avoided, but should prompt an investigation and it doesn't make the vessels invisible to normal radar (Which btw. has evolved a lot and isn't just a green blob any more).
I think that if this had happened near a functioning air defense you would at least have a track of where the plane went and possibly an attempt at interception by fighter jets.
I'm starting to think that aliens is the best explanation available right now.
Real time streaming diagnostics would be prohibitively expensive and in the end I don't think it gets us anything in a situation like this. ACARS can already be configured to send alerts to the ground when certain conditions are met and if that is damaged or turned off the same thing would be true of any persistent data connection.
It's consistent with everything they've been saying. Basically they last had confirmed contact with the plane around 1:30. Around 2:40 they saw some plane on radar which is suspected to be the missing plane but cannot confirm at this time. There was some earlier confusion as to whether the 2:40 plane is actually the missing plane.
SolidChamp
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Did you guys start scouring that Tomnod site that provides satellite images?
HeisenbergLannister
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So I decided to start a rewatch of Lost right now, and there was one scene in the Ipilot episode where I almost had to stop. They go searching for the cockpit, find it and the pilot is still alive. He tells them about what happened before the crash. "Communication went out. They couldn't see us. I turned back towards Fiji. We were a thousand miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place."
I kinda got goosebumps from how eerily similar it was to what's going on now. If I didn't know any better, I'd say this was just viral marketing for a new Lost spinoff.
Sadly it's not and real people are lost and almost certainly perished. Heartbreaking.
I kinda got goosebumps from how eerily similar it was to what's going on now. If I didn't know any better, I'd say this was just viral marketing for a new Lost spinoff.
Sadly it's not and real people are lost and almost certainly perished. Heartbreaking.
Fjolle
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I haven't found anything but clouds.
I did but is not working at the time being
Dorsal Axe
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I can't see anything. I have no idea what part of the ocean it's even showing me.
SilentxS3ud
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I'm seriously freaking out over this whole thing. So scary.
well after another try I just found 2 boats probably the same from the other day
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/22226
Opus Angelorum
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From the BBC:
That's when contact was lost.
Does anyone know how long the transfer of control would normally take? I would have thought it was a matter of minutes?
That's when contact was lost.
Does anyone know how long the transfer of control would normally take? I would have thought it was a matter of minutes?
Same here. Also it keeps breaking.
Don't know how they work there but usually no more than a few minutes, some even seconds depending on the traffic
What is this?
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/24873
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Interesting stuff.. For a not so experienced co-pilot, allowing people into the cockpit is well, pretty cocky.
My uncle was a pilot for the Yugoslav Airlines (whatever they were called) for 30 years. I remember me and my dad getting on a plane with him and him showing us around the cockpit. He flew all over the world for 30 years but retired from his service a few years before 9/11.
He said after 9/11 though nobody should be allowed in the cockpit which is pretty obvious. Weird for this pilot to just let people in like that.
We`re either looking at an incompetent pilot or terrorist attack IMO.
some people don't read all the rules, don't know all the rules or just don't consider the implications (until something serious happens). the guy that said that these ladies could have been terrorists is right.
Imagine how the families feel.
I think we all know that.
However watching all the reports here in Malaysia, its all about hope and praying for MH370, whenever they interview someone (anyone), its all about bringing them back home.
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"Safety"? Something like this would only matter when a plane has crashed.
Fjolle
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If it had crashed, the ELT would probably have sent out the location. Can't do that while under water.
Vietnam is deciding to resume full scale searches for the aircraft after all. Funny thing is it's doing so based off of news report and not anything the Malaysian government is telling them:
http://www.straitstimes.com/breakin...ing-malaysia-airlines-plane-after-temporary-s
http://www.straitstimes.com/breakin...ing-malaysia-airlines-plane-after-temporary-s
CadetMahoney
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I think Malaysian authority has played a very very poor media game so far.
I think they should have just said we don't know where it is right from the beginning and drew a big circle with a radius of 6000 miles and said its here somewhere and get everybody to start looking.
They've been too quick to suggest leads, expecting to find something and failing to find anything each time. You can't blame them if they are being honest and trying and failing, but it makes it look like they are contradicting themselves whenever there is 'new' information.
I think they should have just said we don't know where it is right from the beginning and drew a big circle with a radius of 6000 miles and said its here somewhere and get everybody to start looking.
They've been too quick to suggest leads, expecting to find something and failing to find anything each time. You can't blame them if they are being honest and trying and failing, but it makes it look like they are contradicting themselves whenever there is 'new' information.
THE:MILKMAN
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I can't believe there is no trace after 5 days. Boggles the mind.
What I don't get is if the plane crashed into the sea and is lying on the sea bed (the most likely scenario) surely someone somewhere would have picked up the automatic signal from the black boxes?
If there are no signals, doesn't that indicate there may not have been a crash at sea?
What I don't get is if the plane crashed into the sea and is lying on the sea bed (the most likely scenario) surely someone somewhere would have picked up the automatic signal from the black boxes?
If there are no signals, doesn't that indicate there may not have been a crash at sea?
They would have to be pretty close to the exact area to receive the signals from those. In that case they would probably find the plane with them.
Low frequencies can travel for a lot more than 15 miles. Your source says within 15 miles for "the search team". I'm doubting they are considering a US submarine to be part of the search team. As an ex Sonar technician (6 years in a sub) I assure you that a sub can find anything transmitting in the water.
It's easy to lose, it's just mind blowing these things are not constantly broadcasting their location with redundant systems that cannot be turned off.
Mo, have you ever seen.... a grown man naked?
Darren_z33
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If the search team has to be within 15 miles, what kind of range could the subs search?
Are any military subs with this tech being used for the search?
The Earth is gigantic and the oceans even moreso. We don't even know all the species of marine life in the ocean.
The ocean, especially the deep ocean, terrifies me. The underwater mountain ranges. Nightmare fuel species we do know about.
The area where the oil guy said he saw a burning plane.. Was that in a "deep ocean" area?
Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification. So we're pretty certain there's subs out there looking for this thing? (of course they would never confirm that but seriously asking that)
Very close, it's on the edge of the continental shelf, probably less than 100 miles from the deep ocean. If the wreckage ends up in the deep ocean, it will make things a lot more complicated.
I was watching the news and CNN was talking about some of the well-known airline disasters, and I had NO FREAKING IDEA that a plane had ever been shot out of the sky. Korean Airlines Flight 007. It entered Soviet airspace and an air-to-air missile took it out.
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