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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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Sectorseven
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Yeah, I remember reading about a guy who built a 1:1 repro cockpit for his simulator.
SniperHunter
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There are so many states in India. I can imagine the plane flying flying over one or two states, not the entire country.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-undetected-Military/articleshow/32102334.cms
This is a much better source
Ace Harding
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This has been my theory all along. Everyone kept ruling out flying over land near India and China because it would have been "impossible" to do so without being detected and challenged. We'll see. My guess is that the airspace isn't as impenetrable as people think. You'd need people monitoring everything 24/7 and systems monitoring everything 24/7. I bet that doesn't happen everywhere.
The problem I have with this theory is how do you plan for it? Do you simply cross your fingers and hope no one is watching the skies? This wasn't a by the seat of their pants operation...it was meticulously planned and executed by people who knew exactly what they were doing.
Physics be damned.
SniperHunter
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This is a very hostile region. You got India and Pakistan who hate each other, China and India arent friends and there is US in Afghanistan. All nuclear armed countries with varying degrees of hostility, you think a 777 can just fly all over them?
No fucking chance.
Sectorseven
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They couldn't have flown below radar?
I have no doubt there are vulnerabilities and inefficiencies in the Indian and Chinese detection systems but if this was planned the pilot would have to know about it beforehand. He couldn't just go into India or China and hope he got lucky.
There's apparently massive tension between Shias and Sunnis in Malaysia too, to the point that aspects of Shia are criminalized. This could very well turn out to be an internal religious conflict too. I imagine they're going to dig extensively into the pilot and copilot's backgrounds...
SniperHunter
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-undetected-Military/articleshow/32102334.cms
No way did this plane fly over that region
I haven't read every post in this thread, but I don't think I've seen this theory posted yet:
MH370 shadowed another plane, specifically a KLM flight that would have been in the right place. Close enough, and it would have appeared as one plane to radar.
TCAS systems (to alert aircraft of other nearby aircraft) require the transponder to be turned on in both planes. So if MH370 had turned theirs off and were behind they would be invisible to the KLM flight.
MH370 shadowed another plane, specifically a KLM flight that would have been in the right place. Close enough, and it would have appeared as one plane to radar.
TCAS systems (to alert aircraft of other nearby aircraft) require the transponder to be turned on in both planes. So if MH370 had turned theirs off and were behind they would be invisible to the KLM flight.
Ace Harding
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True, which is probably why he flew over Myanmar, Bhutan, Tibet, and up through the Himalayas. I don't know why people aren't talking about that possibility.
Is such a thing possible for such a large plane?
I really doubt the plane landed somewhere. There would be many witnesses already if that was the case. The Boeing 777 is huge, you need to land that at an airport and it wouldn't go unnoticed. It would also mean that the mastermind behind this was able to trick air traffic controllers to allow them to land somewhere. And this suppose the military of whatever country they've crossed allowed an unidentified plane into the air space in a post 9/11 world. And even if you managed to land, you need to dispose of 240 people/bodies and hide the plane somewhere. The only solution to these problems would be that the country itself was part of the operation and that seems rather insane. There would be intelligence gathered at this point if that whole conspiracy really happened.
DrForester
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Except the wake turbulence would wreak havoc on the MH370 if it was flying anywhere near that close.
DrForester
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It's possible, but flying low would greatly reduce your top speed, and would greatly reduce the range it could fly.
I don't think the hijackers wanted the plane to land safely. Leul's Wiki page (the pilot) says this about the crash.
Leul on purpose flew near the coastline against the will of the hijackers.
Accept they initially wanted asylum no? Seems like the hijackers were just deranged. On top of that they had no concept of how much fuel was in the plane(i guess that could have happened in the current case too).
I watched a video on this after reading the earlier post.
Could wake issues be mitigated by flying above/below? Radar is two dimensional isn't it? (Distance not height).
If both planes are programmed to fly the same aviation corridors/waypoints wouldn't the autopilot lead them on the exact same path? Then for MH370 it's just a matter of slowing down until the KLM plane passes by.
DrForester
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Radar is line of sight. You would have to constantly adjust your position to be int he exactly same line as the other plane and never be in range of two radar stations.
So no.
Also, when flying on corridors over water (at least Atlantic corridors) pilots program in a flight path deviation of a few miles to add in some extra precautions against planes hitting each other.
It seems a bit strange they haven't done this already. Anyways initially I was more suspicious of the younger one. The older one was being described as a model citizen but today I think I read a report that the older one was heavily into politics, something we hadn't heard earlier.
SniperHunter
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Even if they are able to find the black box, we will never know what happened inside the cockpit. Since the pilots turned off the transponder and acars, they must have shut down the cvr as well. This is Silk Air 185 all over again
Razgriz-Specter
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Its not like the US Navy is stockpiling them, they are slowly decreasing them.
Half are stationed Atlantic, etc
Half are Pacific based
Or something like that I think.
Ace Harding
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Believe me, they have been digging into these guys from the moment the plane was discovered missing. By "they" I mean Malaysian authorities as well as US, Chinese, and likely other nations' intelligence.
They are busy profiling everyone on board that plane I am sure.
We aren't decreasing them at all, the only aircraft carrier to get decommissioned in recent years is the Enterprise, and that's because it was old as dirt. It's already being replaced by the Gerald R. Ford, which should be in the fleet in a couple years.
And we have carriers stationed in Norfolk, San Diego, Japan, and Washington, although the Navy is trying to move at least one of the Norfolk based carriers to Mayport, Florida.
Still begs the question of why Australia? Europe is closer though still too far away.
That Leul guy is a badass, holy shit. He's lived through 3 hijacking!
breakfuss
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I actually appreciate this post. Need a little bit of levity around here.
My dad seems to think the plane was destined as an attack on Diego Garcia military base: (https://www.google.com/maps/place/D...2!3m1!1s0x249273fe6d69b0ad:0x3b3c07570eb0d1c5)
It's one of the most strategically important military bases in the world for the US thanks to it's location and isolation. It's also thought to be home to some CIA black ops and interrogation centers, used during the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's primarily used as a home port for US Navy logistics ships. Judging by the google maps images available, they have at least ten B-52 bombers stationed there in addition to other aircraft (as well as two baseball fields and two tennis courts, fun).
It's close geographically, and it represents a location of some controversy thanks to reports that detained terrorist suspects were illegally held and tortured there in the last decade or so.
Thought it was an interesting theory. Looks like the range of the plane could have gotten it there with the fuel load if it had taken the south route they suspect it could have gone.
Obviously no information suggests that, but if you were a terrorist in that part of the world and wanted to make a statement, that sure would be one way to do it. Interesting to think about, in any case.
It's one of the most strategically important military bases in the world for the US thanks to it's location and isolation. It's also thought to be home to some CIA black ops and interrogation centers, used during the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's primarily used as a home port for US Navy logistics ships. Judging by the google maps images available, they have at least ten B-52 bombers stationed there in addition to other aircraft (as well as two baseball fields and two tennis courts, fun).
It's close geographically, and it represents a location of some controversy thanks to reports that detained terrorist suspects were illegally held and tortured there in the last decade or so.
Thought it was an interesting theory. Looks like the range of the plane could have gotten it there with the fuel load if it had taken the south route they suspect it could have gone.
Obviously no information suggests that, but if you were a terrorist in that part of the world and wanted to make a statement, that sure would be one way to do it. Interesting to think about, in any case.
SniperHunter
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Very interesting
Yep, I've been there before.
foxuzamaki
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seriosly, how hard can it be in todays time
Ether_Snake
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Yep, everyone focused way to much on this satellite thing when all indications have been that nobody has any idea. The Indian ocean remains the most likely place considering the known flight path.
Like you were stationed there, or you took a nice vacation and visited the troops?
Maninthemirror
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you cant fly there blind.
DrForester
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How large is this base? The plane would be low on fuel and while they might be able to damage a few buildings, just look at how (relatively) little damage was done to the pentagon.
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Why would it be flying blind? The known path aligns with that location, and by the end there would be daylight too. It would seem highly risky though, because the plane would likely be spotted. But I guess the hostages on board would be used to cause hesitation. One way or another it puts the US in a difficult position if it has to take it down.
It kind of makes sense actually.
PantherLotus
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Please stop assuming the corridor is where the flight ended. That's just the last signature they have from it. The problem is that it couldn't have gone much further than 30 min - 1 hour from those two big red lines considering it had been in the air 7+ hours when that ping hit.
ramuh
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Even if there is a satellite image somewhere in some country, maybe the image could give away capabilities that they don't won't disclosed? I dunno.
I think the world (the part connected by internet/etc) sometime forgets how vast our planet is. Such a huge place, and a lot of water. To me for it to be this long gone without finding it means it is probably in the ocean somewhere.
My last ship pulled in there for a couple days while on deployment several years back. I think we were getting fuel or something, don't really remember. There wasn't a whole lot to do there except drink(which for us was great since it had been a little while since our last port), but there were a ton of planes and some USNS ships there.
Conflict NZ
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Can anyone explain why they don't have a GPS in the black box that activates when an event occurs (such as no longer receiving signals from onboard the plane)? I know that in the event of an ocean crash it would be useless but if it's somewhere over land wouldn't that give a good enough reading to locate it?
PantherLotus
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Haven't seen it posted here but CNN is reporting that officials are now focusing on the South Indian Ocean route.
3,000 - 5,000 permanent stationed military personnel and civilian employees. Also has 213,000 cubic meters of fuel storage tanks. Diego Garcia was the staging point for a lot of the US Navy's ops in the Middle East during the 1990 Gulf War. If you manage to effectively target and destroy the logistics operations of the base, it creates a tough situation for the US military in the region.
EDIT - It's also got anchorage facilities for the largest aircraft carriers in the US Navy. As mentioned above, it's a popular port for USNS ships and other non-combat vessels (hell, just look at the google maps link I provided to see how many big ships are in the lagoon).
Sectorseven
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Isn't there an additional transponder that goes off on impact?
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