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[Deleted member 47027]

You're pretty damn spot on here. Original Undertaker, along with Mr Perfect and the Million Dollar Man, was basically a definitive "wrestling" character. And you're right, I ate that corny shit up back in the day. They don't make characters like that anymore. The closest I think they've come to another character like that is either Bray or Demon Balor, but both of them are miles behind.

Also Undertaker is the last pure Vince McMahon creation that actually worked.

You're forgetting a little guy named

Daniel Bryan

 

[Sephzilla]

You're forgetting a little guy named

Daniel Bryan

Daniel Bryan was a HHH created character.

 

[Bluekaveli]

I bet there was a long list..

It's a top 15, this one was eye opening. I've recently been reading more about him and didn't know he did some of this dumb shit

The average wrestling has no clue who Kevin Dunn is, but he’s one of the most powerful people in WWE. Dunn has worked as a television producer for over two decades and is often referred to as Vince McMahon’s right hand man. Recent rumors have surfaced stating Dunn has gone out of his way to bury NXT talents coming up and is in a power struggle with Triple H due to their difference in ideologies. The word of mouth is Dunn has used his production power to show signs or accentuate moments that portray wrestlers he dislikes in a negative light. The hope is that Triple H will let Dunn go when the regime officially changes.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I'm probably late to the party here, but what is everyone impressions on the Monday Night Wars documentary? I just finished and I wonder what people think about it.

It was, not shockingly, one sided. I think they didn't give WCW enough credit for what they were doing early on to kick start the wars.

 

[Pikma]

It's a top 15, this one was eye opening. I've recently been reading more about him and didn't know he did some of this dumb shit

I fucking hate conspiracy theories and rumors but this makes waaay too much sense

 

[Sephzilla]

It's a top 15, this one was eye opening. I've recently been reading more about him and didn't know he did some of this dumb shit

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if this was true. NXT's forward momentum is fucking awful for Dunn's job security.

 

[Mahonay]

So many little power plays happening in WWE right now. Makes the product inconsistent as fuck. I look forward to when Haitch finally gets majority control over the main product, whenever the fuck that is. 2 years, 5 years...10 years??

At least it's good dirt sheetz material.

 

[jmdajr]

Nooo this was during there run in AAA i believe. I was reading about scumbags and they listed Mistico as one. Alberto even tried to make sure wwe didn't sign him because of his attitude lol

Lol. I remember when Sin Cara botched his finger and Del Rio did not give a single Fuck.

 

[Sephzilla]

Assuming the internal power struggle shit is true, I look forward to when HHH gets control of the main shows. I'm not sure if HHH will be a very huge upgrade over Vince/Dunn but I think the end result at the very least is that we'll get a more consistent TV product.

 

[Bluekaveli]

I fucking hate conspiracy theories and rumors but this makes waaay too much sense

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if this was true. NXT's forward momentum is fucking awful for Dunn's job security.

So many little power plays happening in WWE right now. Makes the product inconsistent as fuck. I look forward to when Haitch finally gets majority control over the main product, whenever the fuck that is. 2 years, 5 years...10 years??

At least it's good dirt sheetz material.

Here's some of it more in depth

Jim Cornette has referred to him as “the biggest enemy professional wrestling fans have”. He’s the main producer of all WWE products, and is said to be the 2nd in command right behind Vince McMahon. You can blame him for the following;

– The refusal to use the term “professional wrestling”, in lieu of “sports entertainment”.

-Using his influence to keep down those more inclined to the in-ring aspect over the sports-entertainment angle of the product. Specific names include; Cesaro, Dolph Ziggler, Dean Ambrose, and Daniel Bryan.

– Allegedly was involved in the frequent mockery of Jim Ross, including mocking his disability from Bell’s palsy, the cause of his drooping face.

-According to former headwaiter Alex Greenfield, discerned that the main thing holding back WWE Diva Kelly Kelly’s character was that she “needs to find some tits”.

 

[Kaladin]

Assuming the internal power struggle shit is true, I look forward to when HHH gets control of the main shows. I'm not sure if HHH will be a very huge upgrade over Vince/Dunn but I think the end result at the very least is that we'll get a more consistent TV product.

NXT doesn't give me headaches with shaky cam and quick cuts as much as Raw does.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Lol. I remember when Sin Cara botched his finger and Del Rio did not give a single Fuck.

I don't remember this, you have a link?

 

[jmdajr]

Daniel Bryan was a HHH created character.

Triple H
✔
‎@TripleH

One of my favorite @WrestleMania moments ever.
Always have been and always will be an A+. #ThankYouDanielBryan

 

[jmdajr]

I don't remember this, you have a link?

https://youtu.be/28A2xkJIGys?t=27

 

[bjork]

Assuming the internal power struggle shit is true, I look forward to when HHH gets control of the main shows. I'm not sure if HHH will be a very huge upgrade over Vince/Dunn but I think the end result at the very least is that we'll get a more consistent TV product.

But Shane is going to be in control after he defeats the Undertaker

 

[klonere]

Vince is going to live forever. He will exist solely on a diet of disappointment in millennials and HGH. He will eventually morph into the God-Emperor of Mankind from WH40K.

 

[shanafan]

LOL I remember that segment. Good callback.

I tried to find this clip on YouTube, and came across this one instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zoMV_nN3LU

Guys, beware. This video reveals

Spoiler

wrestling is fake

.

 

[Bluekaveli]

https://youtu.be/28A2xkJIGys?t=27

BWAHHHHHHAAAAAHAHA! I wonder did he received an round of applause backstage

 

[Mahonay]

Here's some of it more in depth

I mean Kevin Dunn is a Vince yes man who also has also has his own agenda on top of that. Inherently gives him lots of power. And a man that has benefited greatly from Vince's very deep sense of responsibility to any commitments made verbal or written, in this case to Dunn's father.

Vince is going to live forever. He will exist solely on a diet of disappointment in millennials and HGH. He will eventually morph into the God-Emperor of Mankind from WH40K.

The 40K universe starts with Vince.

 

[shanafan]

https://youtu.be/28A2xkJIGys?t=27

1. Haha, Del Rio is the best.

2. What's up with his eye makeup?

 

[BronsonLee]

I will always and forever remember the times when Del Rio would just wreck Sin Cara with a German and then IMMEDIATELY kick him right in the face

Like, the bump isn't even finished and then bwop

 

[Browny]

Vince is going to live forever. He will exist solely on a diet of disappointment in millennials and HGH. He will eventually morph into the God-Emperor of Mankind from WH40K.

So HHH is Horus?

 

[klonere]

I mean Kevin Dunn is a Vince yes man who also has also has his own agenda on top of that. Inherently gives him lots of power. And a man that has benefited greatly from Vince's very deep sense of responsibility to any commitments made verbal or written, in this case to Dunn's father.

The 40K universe starts with Vince.

So HHH is Horus?

My god. HHH as Horus...its too perfect. Book it.

 

[Mahonay]

I will always and forever remember the times when Del Rio would just wreck Sin Cara with a German and then IMMEDIATELY kick him right in the face

Like, the bump isn't even finished and then bwop

Watching Del Rio curse out and continue to beat down Sin Cara after he stopped a match for an injured finger was really something to see. Cara is lucky Del Rio didn't turn it into more of a shoot beatdown.

 

[Browny]

My god. HHH as Horus...its too perfect. Book it.

Regal as Fulgrim
Finn as Magnus the Red
Samoa Joe as Mortarion

 

[Angry Grimace]

I fucking hate conspiracy theories and rumors but this makes waaay too much sense

It sounds extremely unlikely

 

[Mahonay]

It sounds extremely unlikely

Nah it really isn't.

 

[slightconfuse]

Dean Malenko is Esienhorn

 

[Angry Grimace]

Nah it really isn't.

Except literally all of their talent goes through NXT now so why would that make any sense unless you think Kevin Dunn is a NJPW sleeper agent sent to take down the company he owns a lot of from the inside

 

[Browny]

Dean Malenko is Esienhorn

Ravenor:

 

[Bluekaveli]

I wish Dean Malenko still wrestled 😔

 

[slightconfuse]

Chaos is easy

 

[Mahonay]

Except literally all of their talent goes through NXT now so why would that make any sense unless you think Kevin Dunn is a NJPW sleeper agent sent to take down the company he owns a lot of from the inside

NXT of the past 2 years is completely different as it's own product now. This is a pretty new skew to things. Are you going to tell me you haven't experienced countless moments that feel like self sabotage on RAW over the past couple of years?

 

[Bluekaveli]

WWE has announced on Twitter that Cesaro will be returning to the ring during the WrestleMania Revenge tour in Europe next month.

Cesaro will be in-action at the April 15th live event in Amsterdam, Netherlands at the Ziggo Dome, which indicates he will be wrestling at the other shows on the tour. Cesaro has noted in recent interviews that he will not be cleared in time to compete at WrestleMania.

.

Hilarious

 

[slightconfuse]

Read that as the Ziggler dome

 

[Conrad Link]

Sting and Daniel Bryan retire in the same year?

Like, seriously, my two all time favs from completely different eras manage to retire within months of each other.

F**k wrestling.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Ravenor:

I forgot about 11-12 but reading about it makes me gag. Cena v Ace over Punk v Bryan main event. No one gave two shits about that feud and it was a damn main event.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

NXT of the past 2 years is completely different as it's own product now. This is a pretty new skew to things. Are you going to tell me you haven't experienced countless moments that feel like self sabotage on RAW over the past couple of years?

I slammed the guy, but Breeze is the perfect example

 

[Bluekaveli]

I fucking hate these lists. How in the fuck did Kama not deserve to be in NoD. Everyone knows you must have muscle and he was the perfect guy, he was a damn legit fighter and intimidating.

 

[Sephzilla]

NXT of the past 2 years is completely different as it's own product now. This is a pretty new skew to things. Are you going to tell me you haven't experienced countless moments that feel like self sabotage on RAW over the past couple of years?

I slammed the guy, but Breeze is the perfect example

-- The Ascension was literally never given a chance upon being promoted.
-- Tyler Breeze gets nothing.
-- Sami Zayn re-debuts and his backstage segment is demoted to Youtube
-- Neville loses his first name, gets a goofy cape, has no character.
-- Everything about Rusev post-Cena

Kevin Owens is basically the only HHH NXT guy that hasn't been completely squashed yet.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

NXT has pretty much hit its ceiling with it fulfilling the role it's currently playing. If it should be bigger, it needs a different role as a show.

 

[Fox318]

anyone here watching the MSG NCAA wrestling?

 

[Adree]

I wish Dean Malenko still wrestled 😔

Hell yes. Guy was ridiculously smooth in the ring. His Jericho feud is one of the best.

 

[JavyOO7]

The Ascension being made into nobodies so quick into the main roster still hurts my soul...

 

[Deleted member 47027]

The Ascension being made into nobodies so quick into the main roster still hurts my soul...

They're still somebody to me. Especially Konor.

 

[Prompto]

-- The Ascension was literally never given a chance upon being promoted.
-- Tyler Breeze gets nothing.
-- Sami Zayn re-debuts and his backstage segment is demoted to Youtube
-- Neville loses his first name, gets a goofy cape, has no character.
-- Everything about Rusev post-Cena

Kevin Owens is basically the only HHH NXT guy that hasn't been completely squashed yet.

What about Sasha Banks, Charlotte, and Becky? They seem to be doing pretty well.

 

[Sephzilla]

The Ascension being made into nobodies so quick into the main roster still hurts my soul...

I'm not an Ascension fan at all but watching them get buried on arrival was painful to watch.

What about Sasha Banks, Charlotte, and Becky? They seem to be doing pretty well.

Touche, actually.

 

[Adree]

NXT has pretty much hit its ceiling with it fulfilling the role it's currently playing. If it should be bigger, it needs a different role as a show.

At some point they might need to split the actual developmental people off. I like seeing them though and they are getting to learn from some of the best in the business.

 

[Adree]

What about Sasha Banks, Charlotte, and Becky? They seem to be doing pretty well.

I think Charlotte is finally getting to where she needs to be but Sasha and Becky haven't really progressed much (and in some ways regressed) from NXT.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

At some point they might need to split the actual developmental people off. I like seeing them though and they are getting to learn from some of the best in the business.

I agree completely. And they do for the live events. And they've managed to make NXT a brand where failure doesn't stick with you forever like it appears to on Raw. People are more forgiving to another WWE product pretending like it's not the same. So it's helpful for some.