the problem is that the game constantly stops the gameplay to ask if you need a tutorial. it ruins the pacing and the experience. it's terrible.
beautiful game though, the animation is especially fantastic.
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Mario & Luigi: Dream Team |OT| Us North Americans Don't Have Bros
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the problem is that the game constantly stops the gameplay to ask if you need a tutorial. it ruins the pacing and the experience. it's terrible.
beautiful game though, the animation is especially fantastic.
Da Brock people? Dey just have strong accents dont ya know. Well, not all 'o dem.
So it's like BiS where it stops you, but you can just say no? I found it a non-issue in BiS.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Time yourself to spring back up after it releases a bomb. Depending on the timing the bomb will go flying at an angle.
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Finally fought a hard boss. Loving the game a lot. Although I feel the animation isn't as fluent as BiS. Probably because BiS was mostly spritework whereas this game uses 3D models.
But it's dialogue. In an RPG. Does talking to NPCs also break up the gameplay?
Pretty much. Some things like Luiginary Powers and minigames force you into a quick instruction session, but even though peter out after a while.
The game introduces a new mechanic very often, so it's mostly for that. They're not offensive taken one by one, but if you're playing for like 2-3 hours straight you'll see a lot of them, and being taught how to move the circle pad each time is kinda annoying, on top of the frequency.
edit : that said, on top of that, there are also the parts where the game shows you what to do or even tells you the solution to a puzzle.
Im being facetious but it just seems like they were confused as to who would buy this game.... i mean if someone is skilled enough to level, buy equipment, assign moves etc etc to beat the end bosses.... WHY IN THE HELL is a tutorial needed to reiterate the basic mechanics late game?
This keeps getting said and I haven't seen it. Where does it happen? Spoiler it if necessary, I guess.
IS there? Everything so far has been new stuff.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Mario & Luigi: Dream Tutorials |OT|
Case in Point :
In the last major giant battle, the last dream sequence and a fair chunk of the last area - noted that sometimes it is not as much a tutorial of mechanics as explaining every single step of what to do in order...... i.e. 'luigi, that floor looks weak ! maybe use the jump move and see what happens'
still love it but the hand holding gets tiresome
Sleeplessnights
Banned
Oh okay, good to know. Thanks!
chickdigger802
Banned
best ost of the year?
sure.
sure.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I'm actually enjoying this more than BiS so far.
For one, the battles don't seem to drag on as long, and there's, so far, no annoying mini-game like the ones you had to do in Bowser's stomach. I also feel that the controls are more responsive and fluid and it's quicker to move around and jump. Two, I find the short and sweet Dream World segments to be far more pleasing and simple than the oftentimes annoying and trudging Bowser's Body segments.
Only problem I have is, yes, the general way the game keeps pausing to explain/talk is a bit annoying, and none of the characters so far stick out to me. Well, actually, I still love Broque Monsieur's over-the-top French, I really love the character, kind of want him in Mario Kart or something.
The music is phenomenal though.
For one, the battles don't seem to drag on as long, and there's, so far, no annoying mini-game like the ones you had to do in Bowser's stomach. I also feel that the controls are more responsive and fluid and it's quicker to move around and jump. Two, I find the short and sweet Dream World segments to be far more pleasing and simple than the oftentimes annoying and trudging Bowser's Body segments.
Only problem I have is, yes, the general way the game keeps pausing to explain/talk is a bit annoying, and none of the characters so far stick out to me. Well, actually, I still love Broque Monsieur's over-the-top French, I really love the character, kind of want him in Mario Kart or something.
The music is phenomenal though.
speaking of Mario characters I love, Bowser Jr. is in here I read?
I haven't hit that point so I guess I refrain from commenting until I do.
He's there, but he doesn't have a story role.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I thought about this, but what if those lines are Treehouse (they translate it, right?) poking fun at the original designers throwing in all the tutorials? Like even they realize the absurdity of it.
The Hermit
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That honor belongs to either Shin Megami Tensei IV (the Game menu theme is awesome!), or Fire Emblem Awakening (superb compositions, through and through).
Just got access to the Dozing Sands, and I have a question.
Is it currently impossible for me to return to the castle? The bridge is still out. This feels silly because they asked me to come visit them at the castle, and obviously they all went to the castle, so how the heck did they get there?
There's still loads of dialogue.
Neither of those is Shimomura. M&L is objectively better.
Objectively.
It gets repaired with no fanfare, but I'm not sure when exactly. For sure after you finish the events in the desert.
Reluctant-Hero
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You know you can skip them, right?
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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Is it funny and I mean "laugh out loud" funny?
Which is why I always loved the series, the humor.
How funny is it compared to past series?
Which is why I always loved the series, the humor.
How funny is it compared to past series?
After you're finish with the desert the bridge is finally fixed.
when you go back to the castle, go to the room where peach and toadsworth were sent to the deep part of the castle and enter the bottom right room for the X bosses.
Honestly, less. Bowser is still hilarious but he's not there that often. I laughed a few times, though. Some NPCs are funny, some are just annoying as fuck, like the Massif bros.
I'm only a few hours in, so I was referencing the tutorials when battling enemies.
but yeah, empty dialogue does break up the gameplay.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Kind of so-so.
I haven't found any of the ML games to be that funny, even the first one wasn't as funny as Paper Mario.
They rely on, in this one at least, way too much "hipster" speak for the Toads and such for humor. Like the Toads say stuff like "dude, he's SO out!" and other try-hard irreverent dialogue.
I've laughed a few times, Broque Monsieur's over-the-top French accent is great, and some of the animations are cute.
Bowser's always good for a grin.
By the way, do you guys constantly use Bros. attacks on boss battles, or just balance it out with normal attacks?
In RPGs like this where you have access to some really physical attacks early on (Lunar and Grandia series as well), I always have trouble deciding whether or not to just spam special attacks till I run out of MP, specifically on bosses.
By the way, do you guys constantly use Bros. attacks on boss battles, or just balance it out with normal attacks?
In RPGs like this where you have access to some really physical attacks early on (Lunar and Grandia series as well), I always have trouble deciding whether or not to just spam special attacks till I run out of MP, specifically on bosses.
I usually like overleveling then toying with bosses with my weaker attacks, but in DT since I'm going with a Stache and POW oriented build I can't afford to give bosses extra turns to hit me, so I spam those nukes till they die. Unfortunately some of the later Bros. Attacks are pretty stringent about their qualifications for an "Excellent" attack.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I don't think the beginning is boring, there are some tutorials, but even though I play the game for the second time now (the first time I just rushed through the digital copy for review, now I'm playing for completion on a proper retail copy) I still had fun, because the fighting is superb and the tutorials are rather short and often times even skipable (you get asked if you need explanation).
there's humour but it's way less than the previous games. It basically all comes from Mario and Luigi animations and visual gags, some of them really made me laugh out loud. There are some humorous characters but nothing like Fawful or Bowser in the previous games
chickdigger802
Banned
rocket skateboard + hammer.
bros attacks are quite good in this. I still wish they would bring back the bros attacks from the first game though.
bros attacks are quite good in this. I still wish they would bring back the bros attacks from the first game though.
Pretty accurate. Lots of "oh no the ground fell out from under us" *mario and luigi look at eachother, then fall.
The animations are great, I laugh audibly if I'm in a good mood when playing.
I've beaten a couple of bosses now, and most of them have taken quite a long time. It has me seriously wondering if they mucked with the boss HP again like they did before (I think it was in Partners in Time).
There's some seriously hilarious lines in there, sometimes not directly in front of you. For example, when you go to Brickle's house and
That got a huge laugh out of me. I think there's quite a bit of stuff like that if you're paying attention. NPC dialog is also pretty hilarious at times.
There's some seriously hilarious lines in there, sometimes not directly in front of you. For example, when you go to Brickle's house and
he gets thrown off the platform near his workers, they're like "You OK?" and "Boss Brickle!" and then one of them is like "Can I have next weekend off?"
That got a huge laugh out of me. I think there's quite a bit of stuff like that if you're paying attention. NPC dialog is also pretty hilarious at times.
I'm with you. I've played for four hours and the game is far from boring. It's charming and inviting and so beautifully polished that I'm enjoying being eased in, and the few tutorials that I didn't skip were very brief. I particularly impressed with the amount of character that the sprites bring, and the 16-way animation combined with the 3D backgrounds just feels so right, they nailed it.
Don't let the RPG snobs keep you away from this brilliant experience!
chickdigger802
Banned
it doesn't help that boss attacks can take quite a bit of time.
I was putting it off until I 100% Pikmin 3...which was last night. Looks like I'll be starting this today.
Ugh, that was one reason why I didn't like PiT, just felt like the battles dragged on, ESPECIALLY the last boss (I think it took me 30-45 minutes). The first dream world boss battle felt a bit long, but that was probably because A.) I only have Mario to attack with, so it's 1 turn for attacking compared to two outside of the dream world/past games, & B.) some of them have attacks that last a bit longer. It feels a bit more justified here than in PiT at the moment because the mechanics are different.
RobFox64tm
Member
I definately hate being stopped so often in this game, but I also understand how confusing this game would be to new players if the tutorials weren't there. Other than that though, I'm actually enjoying this game quite a lot. What got me the most was how outstanding the music is in this game. Very Super Mario RPG-ish, but with a much grander sound. I know it's the same composer as that game and the other M&L games, but the music in this one seems to callback to the original SNES game more than the others did.
rockmanjoe
Member
I'm loving this game so much. The expert challenges are a BRILLIANT addition to the series and I love how it rewards players for their skill. I hope they bring those back for future M&L games.
The spritework is amazing, so many frames and different little animations that give it a ton of charm.
And I can't stress enough how godlike the music is. This is easily one of Shinomura's best.
The spritework is amazing, so many frames and different little animations that give it a ton of charm.
And I can't stress enough how godlike the music is. This is easily one of Shinomura's best.
I can't stop listening to the boss battle theme. It's amazing. <3 Shimomura.
I don't get the joke/punchline
I don't get the joke/punchline
Even within the Mario universe, I actaully really liked Sticker Star's OST.