Support NeoGAF

[Meier]

I just watched a Jon Stewart segment on this last night and it was excellent as usual. My biggest takeaway though... Jon Bursch is very clearly gay. I see that someone else pointed this out but it's absolutely obvious. What a weird circumstance.

 

[deadlast]

There's a big problem with making it legal. Especially when it comes to religious liberties. When you change the legal definition of marriage and make it a constitutional right, people of faith who object to what they believe is wrong will be forced to do things against their will. A Christian photographer will have to participate in a gay wedding. A baker will have to participate in a gay wedding. But let’s take this a step further for a second. Let’s say, hypothetically, the Supreme Court makes the marriage of a 9 year old to an adult legal, then anyone who is against this on moral grounds would not be able to object. If you are owner of a hotel, you would not be able to deny this couple of a room on their wedding night. If your preacher, you would be forced to marry this couple. If this was your daughter, you will have no legal right to stop it.
“Respecting everyone’s civil rights is unmistakably important, and the right to marry is unmistakably a civil right. But the “right to marry” is the right to enter into a very particular kind of relationship having distinct characteristics that serve important social purposes; the “right to marry” is not the right to enter a relationship that is not a marriage, and then force others by law to treat that relationship as if it were a marriage. Advocates for same-sex “marriage” ignore this distinction. Far from serving the cause of civil rights, redefining marriage would threaten the civil right of religious freedom: it would compel everyone—even those opposed in conscience to same-sex sexual conduct—to treat same-sex relationships as if they represented the same moral good as marital relationships.”
I have no doubt that gay couples can be great parents. However, that’s not the issue at stake here. The marriage between a man and a woman is the only institution that can bring forth life and bind a man and woman together for life for the sake of the child. Granted, this may not be the case for every marriage, but in principle, that is the objective. That’s way governments throughout the ages have recognized it as such and have a vested interest in promoting it. This is not possible within “gay marriage” because it is against natural law. In these cases, a child is deny a father or a mother.
As far as extending marriage benefits. You don’t have to be married to receive some those benefits. Anyone can use the power of attorney.

Behold the ignorance. Facebook is an amazing place.

 

[HylianTom]

One of my favorite parts of whenever a big case goes to SCOTUS is when editorial cartoonists address it..

We get some really memorable work each time a major decision comes down.

From 2013:

Really looking forward to some of the art that comes out in June.

 

[Ravidrath]

Someone did it, thankfully: set the oral arguments to John Oliver's all-dog SCOTUS clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwRYSjqWHUQ

 

[Volimar]

You know, Lady Justice making out with Lady Liberty is how I've always mentally pictured equality, too.

It's one of my all time favorite editorial cartoons.

 

[Yen]

Compared to Italy and Northern Ireland? Probably not, unless Northern Ireland gets a court ruling, though I'm not familiar with the specifics of Northern Irish law.

There was a motion (not actual legislation) on the matter last week, on the same day our Health Minister resigned for first saying gay couples were likely to abuse their children and a few days later, harassing a lesbian couple on their doorstep as he was electioneering.
That he resigned was significant: he was only made to resign as the DUP could end up propping up a Tory govt next week, but it was the first time in 40-odd years that they were held accountable for their homophobia.
It'll have to be the courts for NI, and I believe it is something that Amnesty are looking into.

 

[Sai-kun]

It's one of my all time favorite editorial cartoons.

Mine as well, it's definitely got a spot in my heart.

 

[metalslimer]

I know that most people are expecting a victory here but that doesn't stop me from being extremely nervous with this being a week away

 

[ivysaur12]

I know that most people are expecting a victory here but that doesn't stop me from being extremely nervous with this being a week away

I don't see any world in which this isn't a victory, for the reasons stated in the OP.

 

[metalslimer]

I don't see any world in which this isn't a victory, for the reasons stated in the OP.

Right logic tells me that but it's just hard to comprehend something so momentous only being days away

 

[davepoobond]

Right logic tells me that but it's just hard to comprehend something so momentous only being days away

I have the feeling we are going to get gay marriage legalized at the same time government subsidies for health care disappear for half the nation.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I don't see any world in which this isn't a victory, for the reasons stated in the OP.

Doesn't matter. If there's a chance, I'm gonna be stressed for the entire period going into this, haha.

 

[LOCK]

Will today be the day! It's likely going to be today or Monday, Friday would be odd going on history.

So excited!

 

[mclem]

Since when was Patrick Moore a Supreme Court Justice?

 

[GregLombardi]

I read everything in the OP but I'm still anxious too. Not sure why!

 

[TumblingHippo]

Matt Baume has a new video on how the opinion on gay marriage changed over the last couple decades: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWsTm4YJpRI

 

[Prompto]

There's a chance the decision is today? Hope it is. Pride celebrations will be even better this weekend.

 

[Macho Madness]

There's a chance the decision is today? Hope it is. Pride celebrations will be even better this weekend.

Today's decisions have already been made. It's either tomorrow or Monday.

 

[Prompto]

Ah ok. Either way its close.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

Today's decisions have already been made. It's either tomorrow or Monday.

Ether way, exciting times, if the telegraphing is true.

 

[Ravidrath]

Matt Baume has a new video on how the opinion on gay marriage changed over the last couple decades: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWsTm4YJpRI

Came to post this, and glad to see I was beaten - Matt is the best.

 

[Volimar]

Here's hoping for penny dancing gifs for all of America.

 

[MaddenNFL64]

Its amazing how fast all this happened. Can someone fill me in on how we went from banning gay marriage all over the country in 2004, to being a few days away from gay marriage legal everywhere? Was it the shitfest of the 2008 California marriage ban, something else? How'd popular opinion change so fast?

I remember the Kerry Bush election cycle, and it looking like this country was fucking doomed, to now, the culture warriors on the right getting their ass kicked.

Amazing.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

If Lafayette had more say in Louisiana politics we would be on the list by now. Stupid New Orleans.

Late to this thread, but wat

There's more to New Orleans than the conservative suburbs

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Late to this thread, but wat

There's more to New Orleans than the conservative suburbs

Yeah, hasn't the city of New Orleans come out supporting gay marriage? It's the rest of the the state that is having none of it?

 

[Miles X]

Its amazing how fast all this happened. Can someone fill me in on how we went from banning gay marriage all over the country in 2004, to being a few days away from gay marriage legal everywhere? Was it the shitfest of the 2008 California marriage ban, something else? How'd popular opinion change so fast?

I remember the Kerry Bush election cycle, and it looking like this country was fucking doomed, to now, the culture warriors on the right getting their ass kicked.

Amazing.

Seems to be a global phenomenon (outside of certain places, Russia, Asia and Africa). Personally I think the rise of social media and technology have had a big hand in it, no longer was it that the older generation controlled "the message"

 

[Omegasquash]

This says so much without saying anything at all.

 

[Macho Madness]

Its amazing how fast all this happened. Can someone fill me in on how we went from banning gay marriage all over the country in 2004, to being a few days away from gay marriage legal everywhere? Was it the shitfest of the 2008 California marriage ban, something else? How'd popular opinion change so fast?

I remember the Kerry Bush election cycle, and it looking like this country was fucking doomed, to now, the culture warriors on the right getting their ass kicked.

Amazing.

Courts. This wouldn't be done in a legislature anytime soon.

 

[GK86]

Really close.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Yeah, hasn't the city of New Orleans come out supporting gay marriage? It's the rest of the the state that is having none of it?

I'm not sure the city has much say in the matter. We are a most assuredly conservative state, but the opposition to gay marriage lies largely in the more rural areas and suburbs.

There is a healthy LGBT culture in New Orleans and has been since at least the 2nd half of the 20th century. It's an oversimplification to think it's just an expression of the whole "Big Easy" nonsense, but it has always been true in my experience that the majority of the city is very much a "live and let live" kind of community. I'll never forget the first time I saw a man in a dress on Canal St. about age 8 and how I seemed to be the only person who deemed it worthy of attention.

Not to be rude or anything, but I seem to recall Lafayette threatened to arrest Southern Decadence folks if they paraded in Lafayette when they were stranded away from New Orleans after Katrina.

I hope everyone's prepared for the consequences of gay marriage being legalized. When we introduced it here in Britain it rained blood for 40 days, there were plagues of locusts, and people were rounded up at gunpoint and forced to marry militant homosexuals.

How was that different from any day in Britain

 

[CCS]

I hope everyone's prepared for the consequences of gay marriage being legalized. When we introduced it here in Britain it rained blood for 40 days, there were plagues of locusts, and people were rounded up at gunpoint and forced to marry militant homosexuals.

How was that different from any day in Britain

Touché.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Well, Tomorrow will be exactly 1 year since SCOTUS struck down DOMA

So...

Expect the unexpected

 

[ivysaur12]

I probably should prep a new thread for tomorrow or Monday!

 

[Amir0x]

This is going to be an amazing strings of wins for justice, but this is the one I'm most excited for.

It's going to happen, there really is nothing to be worried about. But I can't wait to hear the words.

 

[DOWN]

Feels rude to make us wait until Monday lol

 

[Ke0]

Because then it means their bible is wrong.

Wouldn't be the first time their bible was considered wrong in America. In fact this would be like the 4th time.

1. Slavery
2. Interracial Marriage
3. Women's Rights
4. Gay Marriage.

At some point you gotta come to terms with reality vs a 2,000 year old book that's been translated like 90 times.

 

[Paskil]

The first page of the new thread better be nothing but Penny gifs.

 

[ivysaur12]

The first page of the new thread better be nothing but Penny gifs.

And a second page asking who's that and "god I hate that gif" and "that fucking green dress". GLORIOUS TEARS

 

[massoluk]

Well, Tomorrow will be exactly 1 year since SCOTUS struck down DOMA

So...

Expect the unexpected

Or expect the expected...

 

[AbsolutBro]

I've had this as my phone wallpaper since it came out. Love it.

 

[Paskil]

And a second page asking who's that and "god I hate that gif" and "that fucking green dress". GLORIOUS TEARS

And a single post of that Community chainsaw gif.

 

[ivysaur12]

And a single post of that Community chainsaw gif.

Too on the nose tbh.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

The Fair Housing Act and Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare") rulings went so damn well today that I have a terrific feeling about the outcome of Obergefell. I'm thinking/hoping/predicting that they understand how symbolic and historic this case is and are waiting until the very last minute of this term, figuratively speaking, to go out on a decisive, momentous move for equality.

Never say never, and lord knows I've been stunned and/or disappointed by the Roberts Court before, but I really think this one is going to go well. It's going to be a beautiful day.

I've felt good about this case since the Prop 8 and DOMA verdicts were issued. Even better with the speed of the case happening and going to the court. I've never been more confident of a victory, yet also never more stunned at how fast progress on at least one front has come.

 

[FelixOrion]

I was at the SF Pride parade after Prop 8 got struck down in 2013, and that was an amazing feeling to be around.

If this passes, I can't imagine what it'd be like out there this year. I'm kinda sad I won't be there to see it.

 

[cajunator]

Yeah, hasn't the city of New Orleans come out supporting gay marriage? It's the rest of the the state that is having none of it?

"In September, state District Judge Edward Rubin, of Lafayette, ruled the ban unconstitutional. The case involved Angela Costanza and her wife, Chasity Brewer. Rubin ruled that Constanza may adopt Brewer’s son and be listed as a parent on his birth certificate.

Rubin’s ruling, which was suspended pending appeal, only affects the state’s 15th Judicial District: Lafayette, Acadia and Vermilion parishes. The case has been widely overshadowed by federal cases, including another September ruling in which U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman in New Orleans upheld Louisiana’s ban."

Lafayette judge was on the right track but ultimately the power was in the hands of a new Orleans court

 

[mugwhump]

KENTUCKY

Kelly Noe and Kelly McCracken

What!? A Kelly can't marry a Kelly! It's too confusing!!

 

[FelixOrion]

What!? A Kelly can't marry a Kelly! It's too confusing!!

"It's Adam and Eve, not Eve and Eve!!!!!!1!!!!1111"

 

[krypt0nian]

From our (Orlando Gay Chorus) 25th Anniversary show last week.

Do You Hear the People Sing? from Les Mis. We sang it at the 2013 Marriage Equality Rally along the beautiful Lake Eola in downtown Orlando in front of tens of thousands, and eventually the state was granted marriage rights.

Let's hope this trend continues tomorrow.

 

[Tomita]

I wish I could attend Pride to celebrate </3 Still sort of anxious despite the OP and stuff.

 

[CDX]

Tomorrow, June 26th, is not only the (2 year) anniversary of US v. Windsor and Hollingsworth v. Perry, it is also the 12th anniversary of Lawrence v. Texas, the historic Kennedy-penned decision which declared unconstitutional many state-level anti-sodomy laws and presaged so much of the forward progress on gay rights in the last decade. It's also just 2 days apart from the anniversary (June 28th) of the Stonewall Riots and, not coincidentally, Pride events in many places.

A historic date indeed.

Wow, I hadn't realized that until just now, that both the Lawrence v. Texas decision and the Windsor decision share the same June 26th anniversary day.

Maybe we will get the decision tomorrow and not have to wait until next week.