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Marvel vs Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds |OT2| Sold exclusively at Dollar Tree
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Got completely wrecked over 10 matches. 6 Ranked and 4 Player...
Its pretty frustrating when you can smack your friends around and then you cant do a damn thing as soon as you go online.
Blegh. The worst part is that my record sucks so I'm pretty sure my opponents get that edge of thinking they are gonna whoop on me from the get go.
Its pretty frustrating when you can smack your friends around and then you cant do a damn thing as soon as you go online.
Blegh. The worst part is that my record sucks so I'm pretty sure my opponents get that edge of thinking they are gonna whoop on me from the get go.
"God's Beard!"
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Other than the float overhead, I don't think Storm is really all that fast...
shaowebb
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Right now these are my teams.
RUSHDOWN
BERZERKER BARRAGE
TATSU
VERTICAL SHOT
I tend to gun it non stop on this team and use a lot of vertical shot coverage and tatsu's to get inside. So far they are my number one lineup with Ryu usually taking a lot of folks out during his utility tag ins.
KEEP AWAY
HAPPY TRIGGER
DISRUPTOR
COLD STAR
Cold star covering my spam tends to drive people up a wall. This team obviously is a scrub killer, but since all three characters are characters I know mad rushdown tricks with I tend to surprise people who think they got me figured out after I spam for a while and zone them.
They are usually troubled when they find out I prefer rushdown and that my keep away is my worst play style. This team gets way scarier if you get inside on them against me. Especially Deadpool.
IN THE WORKS TEAM
ANTI AIR GAMMA CHARGE
DRONES
PIPE
This team is being played with to handle overhead teams or rushdown teams with all their priority/invincibility setups. From mid screen out they are damned scary to face. Sent usually pushes them forward so he may need to go anchor later.
ALTERNATES I SWAP FOR ON ALL TEAMS
EITHER TORPEDO OR FLASHKICK
Here combos are great, her high low is godly, and her assists cover your jump ins or extend your combos like crazy. I often toss my point characters for her and will likely create a team just for her that styles her in that slot permanently.
WEB BALL
Great assists, hard to catch and once he puts pressure on you it is ON. I love him and wish I had a team for him. He does good in all spots.
ARMOR PIERCER
Mr. Comeback himself. Give him some meter and he puts everyone on the defensive as they start watching for any Bionic Arm fishing...and thats what you want. This guy is big damage on small combos which can all be extended pretty easily with zipline stuff. Don't know why his loop was taken out but whatever. He still destroys for me as anchor and is a top alternate.
RUSHDOWN
I tend to gun it non stop on this team and use a lot of vertical shot coverage and tatsu's to get inside. So far they are my number one lineup with Ryu usually taking a lot of folks out during his utility tag ins.
KEEP AWAY
Cold star covering my spam tends to drive people up a wall. This team obviously is a scrub killer, but since all three characters are characters I know mad rushdown tricks with I tend to surprise people who think they got me figured out after I spam for a while and zone them.
They are usually troubled when they find out I prefer rushdown and that my keep away is my worst play style. This team gets way scarier if you get inside on them against me. Especially Deadpool.
IN THE WORKS TEAM
This team is being played with to handle overhead teams or rushdown teams with all their priority/invincibility setups. From mid screen out they are damned scary to face. Sent usually pushes them forward so he may need to go anchor later.
ALTERNATES I SWAP FOR ON ALL TEAMS
Here combos are great, her high low is godly, and her assists cover your jump ins or extend your combos like crazy. I often toss my point characters for her and will likely create a team just for her that styles her in that slot permanently.
Great assists, hard to catch and once he puts pressure on you it is ON. I love him and wish I had a team for him. He does good in all spots.
Mr. Comeback himself. Give him some meter and he puts everyone on the defensive as they start watching for any Bionic Arm fishing...and thats what you want. This guy is big damage on small combos which can all be extended pretty easily with zipline stuff. Don't know why his loop was taken out but whatever. He still destroys for me as anchor and is a top alternate.
Prototype-03
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God's Beard said:
I'd like to know what you're basing on this "team chemistry." She has good assists... One of two overhead assists and one of the best OTGs in the game.
SolarPowered
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Hsien-Ko manages to hide all manner of weapons in her sleeves alone. Just imagine what else she is hiding.enzo_gt said:
Ogrekiller
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SolarPowered said:Hsien-Ko manages to hide all manner of weapons in her sleeves alone. Just imagine what else she is hiding.
Speaking of Hsien-Ko...
http://www.justin.tv/2ggaming/b/283354575
Huge upset when Airtola takes it over Combofiend in Grand finals repping dat godly assist.
shaowebb
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SolarPowered said:Hsien-Ko manages to hide all manner of weapons in her sleeves alone. Just imagine what else she is hiding.
Necrophiliac approved.
EDIT: Man this is one helluva derail. It's like that time they were taking shots off camera on a Yipes stream and he started commenting all bout Storm being a hotty.
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66 hit shield slash combo produces maximum saltiness!Ogrekiller said:
Hsien-Ko is too classy. Good girls aren't fun. I mean she could be a closet freak, but you don't have the assurance of a bad bitch. Now Dorm is a bad bitch. Just listen to this kinky shit.SolarPowered said:Hsien-Ko manages to hide all manner of weapons in her sleeves alone. Just imagine what else she is hiding.
#44 :lol This guy has the ultimate serial rapist VA :lol
Apologies for derail.
"God's Beard!"
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Prototype-03 said:
Have you tried using those assists with different teams? they bounce the opponent at weird heights that a lot of characters can't take advantage of. Jill, for instance, would have to base her combos around saving her bounces to convert an OTG to continue the combo, severely restricting her. For characters with quick air combos that can capitalize, it's pretty good. For the overhead, it's range is shorter than Akuma's, so finding a good time to use it is hard, basically faking a jump in or really specific resets to make real use of it. Other than that, her hypers are really awkward for DHCs and THCs.
That said, she works really fucking well with magneto because of hyper grav, which is a happy top-tier coincidence. Hyper grav is such an amazing assist, only one like it in the game.
Prototype-03
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God's Beard said:
There's far less useless assists in the game. If anything, she's in the upper 50% in how good her assists are. Sure, she's not Tron, Doom or Sent, but she has REALLY good assists based on how REALLY good she's actually is.
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God's Beard said:
You need more combat experience
"God's Beard!"
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Ain't that the truth. When i say things like this, I just mean overall options and overall synergy with the whole cast. I'm aware that in reality, everyone's a specialist with a unique team that they use for unique reasons that work. I'm just trying to understand the mechanics as best as possible.QisTopTier said:
That said, more list time. I'm working on a chart of characters with the most dangerous instant overheads.
So far:
Trish(with assist) - hits most of the cast into full combo
Storm - all of the cast into full combo
Dr.Doom - All of the cast into hyper(can't dash cancel when low to the ground)
C.Viper - Most of the cast into full combo
Wolverine(with assist) - hits most of the cast into a full combo
Amaterasu(with assist) -all of the cast(?) into full combo
C.Viper- most of the cast into 50/50
Any others?
Prototype-03
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God's Beard said:
Your problem is that you're saying you're trying to understand the mechanics but you haven't discovered a single thing that can help. Also your theory crafting doesn't work. They're just not viable in a real match. If you have so much time coming up with the theory, I'd recommend trying it in an online match. Player matches are there for a reason. If not that, then at least the CPU. You've already put so much coming up with combos that you have no idea how to connect the first hit.
edit: There is no "some teams doesn't make sense but doesn't work." You're just not understanding why it works.
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Massive porn downloads all at onceFerrio said:
"God's Beard!"
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I can add viewtifulo joe: most of the cast, with assist.
Uhh... haven't discovered a single thing that can help? Breaking down which characters have instant overheads to be afraid of, constructing max damage BnBs, breaking down frame data to find the best frame traps and block strings, exploring resets? I'm sorry none of this is useful. Maybe I'll go play Starcraft. I don't know if you've noticed or not, but all i've been doing this past week is playing player matches. I have a few hundred now. It's not much, but the main thing holding me back is moving my characters around and I'm getting better at it. I test all my teams online now. When I watch other people play, i literally take notes on how they move, how they set up openings and bait people. Justin Wong. Mike Ross. Marlinpie. Marn. I have a whole page of notes dedicated to just how fucking Clockwork moves Doctor fucking Doom. I'm not stupid.
The things i post in this thread aren't my minute-to-minute learnings. they're the things I think are especially interesting that I've come up with on my own. Things that I think are funny or look weird. For the first month the game was out, I was the ONLY person in this thread to post anything new about Thor. 90% of this thread is people reacting to streams and videos or bitching about DLC. I'm sorry if your pedantic ass who's been systematically dismissing everything I post for the last 15 pages doesn't want me to talk about the fucking mechanics of the game we're all supposedly playing. I'm not a long time Marvel 2 player. Almost everything in this system is new to me and I'm trying to understand it.
And I have no idea what the fuck your edit says.
Prototype-03 said:
Uhh... haven't discovered a single thing that can help? Breaking down which characters have instant overheads to be afraid of, constructing max damage BnBs, breaking down frame data to find the best frame traps and block strings, exploring resets? I'm sorry none of this is useful. Maybe I'll go play Starcraft. I don't know if you've noticed or not, but all i've been doing this past week is playing player matches. I have a few hundred now. It's not much, but the main thing holding me back is moving my characters around and I'm getting better at it. I test all my teams online now. When I watch other people play, i literally take notes on how they move, how they set up openings and bait people. Justin Wong. Mike Ross. Marlinpie. Marn. I have a whole page of notes dedicated to just how fucking Clockwork moves Doctor fucking Doom. I'm not stupid.
The things i post in this thread aren't my minute-to-minute learnings. they're the things I think are especially interesting that I've come up with on my own. Things that I think are funny or look weird. For the first month the game was out, I was the ONLY person in this thread to post anything new about Thor. 90% of this thread is people reacting to streams and videos or bitching about DLC. I'm sorry if your pedantic ass who's been systematically dismissing everything I post for the last 15 pages doesn't want me to talk about the fucking mechanics of the game we're all supposedly playing. I'm not a long time Marvel 2 player. Almost everything in this system is new to me and I'm trying to understand it.
And I have no idea what the fuck your edit says.
Damn. GB going in. Someone's about to get Noel Brown'd in this thread.
To be fair though, Prototype-03, how are combos, combo extensions, resets and synergy analysis not helpful or viable in a real match? Kind of a weird comment to make. GB admitted a while back that he's not good at actually implementing such, but a lot of the stuff he comes up with is pretty interesting to read and applicable should someone learn the execution.
To be fair though, Prototype-03, how are combos, combo extensions, resets and synergy analysis not helpful or viable in a real match? Kind of a weird comment to make. GB admitted a while back that he's not good at actually implementing such, but a lot of the stuff he comes up with is pretty interesting to read and applicable should someone learn the execution.
Prototype-03
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God's Beard said:
I have not learned anything new that you have had posted that I haven't had learned in SRK previously. Thanks.
enzo_gt said:
Have you read some of the stuff he says? Have you read his tier listing? Shout outs to Viper's bad synergy.
There is so much wrong with that first statement besides grammar. So basically you have a problem with him discovering stuff here, rather than reading it on SRK? So to learn anything it has to be on SRK and discovered on SRK or else it is not a viable resource for information and thus irrelevant and not helpful to anyone?Prototype-03 said:
I disagree with his tier list, but you'd be hard pressed to find any two people who actually agree on a tier list for MvC3. People are opinionated, so what? I don't really pay attention too much to full combo notations that GB puts up because frankly, I can't pull off any of that shit because I suck too much at this game. This goes not just for GB, but everyone else that posts stuff in this thread. The synergy stuff I pay attention to because it's actually relevant and helps me learn some mechanics better. I don't see what your actually upset about, it seems your just overly upset because GB is posting stuff that is redundant to you, and somehow discredits his opinion entirely and makes it worthless entirely.
Prototype-03
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Ferrio said:
Admit it. You just like to use lag tactics and using that as an excuse.
enzo_gt said:
Have you read his post? He says he's posting new information. He's not. His synergy? Have you read his Viper opinion? I would die to have that assist on X-23. ANY of her assists, in fact.
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I swear that's how he gets me with she hulk every time.Prototype-03 said:
"God's Beard!"
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Prototype-03 said:
Oh I'm sooooooorrry your majesty, next time I post anything purely for your benefit, I'll be sure to have the royal trumpeter play so you know it's coming.
Also, nothing I've ever posted about Thor has ever been on the Thor forums. I posted raw tag combos before Marlin Pie made his videos. I'm just trying to start discussions, and you just casually trash everything like some asshole. I'm not here to prove I'm better than anyone because I'm not. I'm not trying to show off because I don't know everything. I put things I find in this thread so people can give me advice that isn't "you haven't discovered a single thing that can help". I'm not somebody that goes out to major tournaments. I just do this because it's fun, I want to help other people and help myself get better to keep me busy in my downtime, that i'd rather not spend arguing with people. So you can kindly shut the fuck up.
Prototype-03
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God's Beard said:
I never said you were proving you were better than anyone. I can tell you suck by some of the posts you make. I'll go ahead and not respond to you anymore. This is retarded.
He said he discovered things that help and was the only one to post new findings in this thread about Thor (benefit of the doubt goes to him, since I saw no one else post anything about Thor in this thread really). Nowhere in there did I read he found some world exclusive combo or anything, just was reporting on the new things he found or found helpful, that no one else pointed out in this thread, hence being new things posted. I think your just getting a bit riled up over something semantic as the definition of "new".Prototype-03 said:
Prototype-03
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enzo_gt said:
I have never commented on his combos. I'm sure that his combos are better than mine. He makes theories that doesn't make sense. I remember him talking about Jill's instant overhead combos and told him it doesn't work in a real match because it doesn't work on crouching opponents. These are the things I care about, not some "theoretically, it should work." Believe me, the first thing I did after I learned that she had a loop based on that, I tested it out in a real match.
Infinite Justice
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After reading this scuffle it seems that GB is doing way too much Theory fighter and not trying to see if they are viable in an actual match.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
All proto is trying to say is basically "don't act knowledgeable and post stuff as fact with out confirming and making sure things work solid first." I mean training mode tricks and gimmicks are cool and stuff, but that's all they are in the long run unless they can be put into real combat situations. I doubt proto would even of snapped if you played the game and were able to come to your own conclusions about stuff, the main problem is we already seen that most of the stuff doesn't work or is a slim chance of every happening from experience.
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Beaten D:<
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Infinite Justice said:
Beaten D:<
"God's Beard!"
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I'll admit that I didn't think that one through very well. I was very excited.Prototype-03 said:
QisTopTier said:
I think the problem is that when I say I have something new that's "crazy" or "batshit", they think I mean amazing and useful, when I literally mean you would have to be batshit crazy to use it, but it's hilarious.
If his combos are better than yours.. then is that not something that can help someone if they have the execution? Isn't the first thing you were saying was how he hasn't posted anything helpful?Prototype-03 said:
And about the theories, isn't that why they're theories? Meant to be put into practice to then deduce some sort of conclusion? I mean, if GB says he puts his combos out there to get feedback, and then you give him feedback (assuming you did) like he wants and this creative discussion prospers until there is some sort of viable combo or conclusion reached? I can see if you said some of his theories were not helpful in practice, but saying he hasn't discovered a single thing that helps is kind of contradictory considering your agreement with his ability to construct combos, which are pretty cut and dry when it comes to usefulness, should you get that first low hit in. Maybe it's not useful to him, but he puts it out there, should it be useful to someone.
Basically what I'm saying is, don't be so quick to discredit something when it can be helpful somehow to someone else, or foster discussion into something that is useful.
He admit this too, he's been playing theory fighter for a month+ and is only putting it into practice now.Infinite Justice said:
"God's Beard!"
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enzo_gt said:
This is exactly it, thanks. Even IFC Yipes said he was going to keep to himself and stay in the lab for a month once the game came out. All I'm doing is seeing what I can find on my own, deciding what I like the most, and putting stuff out there for feedback.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Honestly, it's just meh when something is posted that isn't correct or a good idea and players that are wanting to learn see it and are like OMG THIS SOUNDS AWESOME. D: It doesn't help anyone improve.
If you want you could get more games in with gaffers, shit I don't do anything all day. Best way to learn is to well get your ass handed to you til 1. You figure out how to use the idea correctly 2. Come to the conclusion said idea doesn't work.
Like some of the character listing stuff oh god so much misinformation
If you want you could get more games in with gaffers, shit I don't do anything all day. Best way to learn is to well get your ass handed to you til 1. You figure out how to use the idea correctly 2. Come to the conclusion said idea doesn't work.
Psh, I would think at least you, Q, of all people would have some patience to see if this shit worksQisTopTier said:
I always thought that really high level competitive players like you liked experimenting and trying different things out to see the options they have in battle through experimentation in Training mode and whatnot. I can see how it can be a waste of time though if you just like adhering to BnBs.
That tier list was a laugh though. I can't possibly make one as amusing as it.
See, this is the only way I learn anything, or I'll do the same thing forever. I HAVE to get the shit kicked out of me to learn, it's the only way. If I don't I'd still be Meteor Smash > Super all day erry day. If it wasn't for me asking people on Live who kicked my ass for tips, I wouldn't have learned how to use my Unibeam assist + Zero dash combo to get pretty much a free combo on the less observant.
"God's Beard!"
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QisTopTier said:
Do you know how long it took to type all that shit out? I was mad tired by the time the actual numbers came and started filing in random stuff D:
I knew I'd be the only one with the patience to do a full list, so I wanted to monopolize that shit.
You know what? I think for the next two weeks, I'm only going to play Jill/Thor/Doom. I think it's safe to say that that's a team pretty uniquely mine with 2 characters I've already broken down, so I'll just run it into the ground against ranked and player matches. We'll see what happens.
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Ya'll are taking this way too seriously...
Maybe we should bring this kind of passion to our matches with gaffers instead of the forums.
Maybe we should bring this kind of passion to our matches with gaffers instead of the forums.
"God's Beard!"
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Yeah, I mean I'm no champ but I'm definitely Filipino, so how hard could making up a tier list be?
Pretty hard, apparently.
Pretty hard, apparently.
SolarPowered
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I'd bet on it.enzo_gt said:
Edit: lol at Markman's stick.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I play gaffers all the time, also you jumped the gun on me enzo I probably spent almost as much time as god's in training mode. But I still have double the time in matches played.
I do exactly what I've been saying I try stuff out in training "traps and so forth" Then a hour later or so I take it into real fights.
edit: No offense but god's doesn't stand a chance vs proto right now.
I do exactly what I've been saying I try stuff out in training "traps and so forth" Then a hour later or so I take it into real fights.
edit: No offense but god's doesn't stand a chance vs proto right now.
Our wins are even most of the time.
Infinite Justice
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enzo_gt said:
Well i personally think the "lag" time between them is a bit much and could have been used for possible elimination instead but thats just me.
Prototype-03
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SolarPowered said:
Maybe we are... But that's what makes it interesting. To be honest, I was more upset at GB posting as if some of the theories are facts. I can see some players trying to soak that information in when he's wrong. I mean, I appreciate the fact that he's trying to help, don't get me wrong. But I'm only getting mad because he HAS the game... He HAS been testing the combo so why not go into the matches himself to test out the theories? I know, I know... He JUST started playing and testing it out. I'm sure he'll even out in the end but you have no idea how it irked me with some of his theories. Can we at least agree if you're new to the game, you'll at least try to look at that tier list that GB made? I can only imagine how much it would HURT the person starting out, NOT help. THIS is where I get mad.
enzo_gt said:
If by MarkMan's stick, you mean his private parts. I'm in.
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