Luckydude23
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So Max, when do you think the next episode will be up? Can't wait to see it!
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LeMaximilian
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Luckydude23 said:
It will be a standard Online Warrior episode, which will be all about small humor and ranked games. Trying to get it ready by end of night tonight.
Parallax Scroll
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That is fantastic. How did that even work? Is the whole walk animation invincible? Did you plan it that way?LeMaximilian said:Next episode of MVC3: The Online Warrior coming soon...sneak peek below
I'm gonna reiterate that one of the features I'd like to see added is online training mode. Or at least some way to play online with infinite time and infinite health. Sometimes I want to show a friend online how to do a combo, and the best we can do is pick characters with high health and take turns beating on each other for a few minutes.
Also, I did some local play for the first time the other day at a casuals gathering. Asus monitors look real nice in person. I got bodied real bad though. Like, "one player game that only the other guy is playing" bad. Against this Ammy/Shehulk/Phoenix player, I got ONE Zero combo going over the course of 3 matches. I did the relaunch and everything, then dropped the QCF+PP at the end. ;_;
Parallax Scroll
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So if you're right up in Iron Man's face like that, you're safe from the beam? As in, the beam's hitbox doesn't extend that far to the right?Ferrio said:
~Devil Trigger~
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its not invincibleParallax Scroll said:
Proton Canon has a long start up, when Wade DHCed in, by the time Proton canon got active, he already walked pass the Proton Canon active hit box.
edit: defeated!
Parallax Scroll
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So there's a safe zone right in front of Iron Man's face. Interesting. Thanks for the info guys!
LeMaximilian
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Parallax Scroll said:
The initial Proton Canon hyper has a shockwave that knocks back and puts you into the beam, which is why it's so good as an anti-air sometimes.
In this situation tho, Deadpool is at the perfect distance to be outside the shockwave, then walk into the neutral zone of the hyper...which is right up Iron Man's grill. I didn't think it would work this way, instead hoping the lv3 would eat the shockwave and enter the counter animation. But still funny as all hell.
FromTheFuture
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Yes, but I believe it works only after the beam has started. If you're too close to Ironman, there is this one hit that occurs like 180º in front of him when he's pulling out the cannon.Parallax Scroll said:
Parallax Scroll
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So here's where I'm at as far as character ability at this point, roughly from best to worst:
Zero - By far my best character. I'm actually hitting some pretty snazzy combos with him (buster relaunch, air loop) online now. I have a few tricks I haven't used outside the lab yet (buster charge button switching combos, even better air loop stuff, ground loop, sougenmu DHC glitch). Still need to work on turning more buster hits into combos.
Haggar - The character I've spent the second most time with. I've got solid combos with him, but I use him a lot less these days since he has some really terrible matchups.
Wolverine - I've learned his braindead easy combos. Still need to learn Berserker Slash -> Berserker Charge.
Akuma - Wolverine's best friend. I've got a couple decent combos and I know how to x-factor and shoot beams. It's enough to get by.
Sentinel - No fancy extended air combos, but I can do his basic stuff well enough.
Hulk - Easy damaging combos if people are dumb enough to get hit by standing C or S.
Ryu - Dropped him after I learned Akuma.
Ammy, Storm, Morrigan: I can do OK with these characters but really need more practice with them to really be effective.
Taskmaster, Dormammu, She-Hulk: I know a BnB but that's about it.
Dante, Wesker, Doom, Tron, Magneto: Still want to learn these guys.
Zero - By far my best character. I'm actually hitting some pretty snazzy combos with him (buster relaunch, air loop) online now. I have a few tricks I haven't used outside the lab yet (buster charge button switching combos, even better air loop stuff, ground loop, sougenmu DHC glitch). Still need to work on turning more buster hits into combos.
Haggar - The character I've spent the second most time with. I've got solid combos with him, but I use him a lot less these days since he has some really terrible matchups.
Wolverine - I've learned his braindead easy combos. Still need to learn Berserker Slash -> Berserker Charge.
Akuma - Wolverine's best friend. I've got a couple decent combos and I know how to x-factor and shoot beams. It's enough to get by.
Sentinel - No fancy extended air combos, but I can do his basic stuff well enough.
Hulk - Easy damaging combos if people are dumb enough to get hit by standing C or S.
Ryu - Dropped him after I learned Akuma.
Ammy, Storm, Morrigan: I can do OK with these characters but really need more practice with them to really be effective.
Taskmaster, Dormammu, She-Hulk: I know a BnB but that's about it.
Dante, Wesker, Doom, Tron, Magneto: Still want to learn these guys.
LeMaximilian
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Just wanted to get GAFs opinion on the subject.
With the current situation of how MVC3 is shaping up competitively and online, do you think the game should receive an overall damage decrease?
Besides things like the DHC glitch, lv XF and all the other stuff that's goofy about the game...I personally would love to see damage adjustments made to all the cast over the re-balancing periods that MVC3 will eventually go through.
Thoughts?
With the current situation of how MVC3 is shaping up competitively and online, do you think the game should receive an overall damage decrease?
Besides things like the DHC glitch, lv XF and all the other stuff that's goofy about the game...I personally would love to see damage adjustments made to all the cast over the re-balancing periods that MVC3 will eventually go through.
Thoughts?
Parallax Scroll
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I wouldn't mind turning Wolverine down a notch so he doesn't get one-hit kills so easily.LeMaximilian said:
I think certain characters should have their damage adjusted, some characters should be increased and some decreased, but I don't think the games damage level overall should be decreased.LeMaximilian said:
1. Because this encourages turtling and turtling sucks in general even if it's a viable strategy.
2. Matches become longer and the game already has scaling after using assists or throws first in a combo.
3. Phoenix becomes another balance issue depending on who's damage is nerfed and how much damage is lowered, etc.
4. With exceptions, infinites in general have been removed. ToD combos are in to kind of offset this and keep the craziness of Marvel in tact.
That's my two cents anyways.
Killa Sasa
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Marvel Comic Book heads:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434210
Free month sub of Marvel Digital, taken from OT side.
I still have to use the one from my SE of MVC3, but I don't even know where to begin tbh. Not huge on comics, but it's free, so eh.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434210
Free month sub of Marvel Digital, taken from OT side.
I still have to use the one from my SE of MVC3, but I don't even know where to begin tbh. Not huge on comics, but it's free, so eh.
Professor Beef
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For the people talking about adjusting damage, have you tried using the in-game damage adjustment/handicap thing? I remember during one of those MvC3 sessions around when the game was launched, Yipes was actually talking about it and wondering if people might actually use it by setting the damage down by one. He also said that it'd might lead towards more time-outs, but this was before all the madness we know now.
Riposte
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I think the basic mechanics of the game are quite fine. I think X-Factor needs to be nerf(either by a decent amount or by a huge amount) and DHC glitch should also be removed, but I also think OTG attacks are the real source of ridiculous combos. Would the game be better if you could burn a bar in order to quick recover from the "OTG" state? I guess it would sort of act like a combo breaker, but I don't think it would be all that invasive to Marvel playstyle.
This is a slippery slope of a question. Are we talking universal lowering of health or just re-tweaking of certain character's damage output?LeMaximilian said:
I am going to answer this the same way I answer every balance related question.
*X Factor nerf (universal nerf on all 3 levels especially on LVL3. Both speed and damage bonuses heavily adjusted especially for particular characters)
*DHC Glitch (it's pretty much adding insult to injury in a game with already high damage and X Factor. It doesn't belong in the game.)
*Buff lesser used characters and bring them up to speed with the current killers.
After these adjustments are made, then we can have a better idea of how the universal damage is in the game. It's high right now but so many times X Factor, DHC glitch or LVL3 hypers are in the midst that it's hard to tell really.
I will list some pros and cons to high damage in the game. I am assuming that every character in the game has a BnB combo that can do roughly 700K using either a meter, an assist or both (some will have higher some will have lower obviously).
Pros:
*Rewards rushdown, active style of fighting meaning there is less turtling and more of players trying to get in that one hit to start off the powerful combo.
*Less chance of timeouts. So less runaway, keepaway and zoning style of play.
*Phoenix is all the more a bigger gamble to play as when everyone has high damage.
*Since everyone can really hurt when they touch you, game is universally more "balanced" in the sense that everyone is a threat (this goes back to the ST days). You don't want to be touched with Captain America any less than you want to be touched by Wesker because both can lead to 700K+ health lost.
*More chance for comebacks and in general a match is always hype because something can always potentially happen.
*High damage is far more suitable for a 3v3 fighting game as compared to a 1v1 game.
Cons:
*Differences in character health isn't really a big difference when damage is high. So even though someone like Iron Man may have like 100K more health than Magneto, he is still valued less than Magneto for having not as good tools or not being as fast.
*Instability in matches. One match you will easily win over a lesser opponent, the next you will get destroyed because you got Happy Birthday'd.
*No real incentive to use the more difficult combos that do slightly more damage (since more hits = damage scaling). Basically you can pretty much learn a really easy 600K combo rather than learning that hard 750K combo because in most situations you are going to need to do two reps of both to kill a full health character.
*Since actual damage is high, chip damage is also high and this allows a character like Phoenix to dominate. This is one of the problems that is compounded by X Factor.
Overall, I am more in favor of keeping the damage the same but tweak the mechanics so that there isn't GROSS INFLATION of damage in the game (like XF and DHC glitch). Then changes to the lower end of the cast to bring them up to speed and THEN put it all to the test.
I would however say that some things do more damage than they should. Like Wolverine and Taskmaster do way more damage on their BnBs than they should be doing. Ditto for Phoenix. But that is more character balance and I am not going to touch on that. Help out Hsien Ko and buff her.
the_log_ride
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LeMaximilian said:
I'm in agreement with bomb, and others who have mentioned an adjustment to XF, and a removal of the DHC glitch.
If this happened + removal of any other remaining glitches, I'd be satisifed. Throw in another tweak to Sent's health, too. Raise it up to a cool million at least.
I've spent so much time in Training mode today, nowhere close to my first match. Right now my team is Jill/Trish/C.Viper. I decided from the beginning that either Jill or Trish was going to be on my team, trying to make it work with both. C.Viper is just for OTG Seismo assist, I literally went through the list of OTGs, said "Ooh, C.Viper," and went with it. It does happen to work really well with Jill's Hypers.
Haven't done shit really though, except with Trish. After some grinding, I can do the basic Trish combo pretty much everyone does, plus a modified version in the corner that ends with a ground Max Voltage for slightly more damage, easy DHCs or a throw reset. Really like Trish, definitely sticking with her.
Jill is alright, though I go for a pretty easy mode combo. Not even sure what assist to use, I might go Arrow Kick, since none of my characters have a wall bounce anyway.
Not even sure if I can tackle Viper. All I've done with her is try Seismo chains, with not much success. I can get 2-4 consecutive ones before fucking (and usually only two). Still got a ways to go.
Haven't done shit really though, except with Trish. After some grinding, I can do the basic Trish combo pretty much everyone does, plus a modified version in the corner that ends with a ground Max Voltage for slightly more damage, easy DHCs or a throw reset. Really like Trish, definitely sticking with her.
Jill is alright, though I go for a pretty easy mode combo. Not even sure what assist to use, I might go Arrow Kick, since none of my characters have a wall bounce anyway.
Not even sure if I can tackle Viper. All I've done with her is try Seismo chains, with not much success. I can get 2-4 consecutive ones before fucking (and usually only two). Still got a ways to go.
He may have gone to a better place but not to a better game.Ultimoo said:you guys make me bored, there is a tourney I can go to in the next two weeks, but after that, I might have to switch games.q has gone to a better place.
USD there is a nasty trick you can do with Trish to C Viper. Round Harvest, raw tag Viper and Focus Attack unblockable.
Nose Master
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LeMaximilian said:
As mentioned, DHC's and XF being toned down would be fine. I mean, there's already damage scaling options built into the game. What would be the point of making "normal" turn into "low?"
Damn DahBomb, your the king of massive analytical posts. *breathes in*Dahbomb said:
I agree that anti-Phoenix technology is evolving slower than Phoenix technology, but just like Sentinel, you better believe that changed instantly after that Tokido showing. For a long time I've been saying TokidoTech has been the future of Phoenix tech and that appears to still be the case because he is not just relying on the gimmick bits of Phoenix, and playing OVERLY safe to make sure precious Phoenix isn't touched, but expanding her uses as a fully fledged character out in battle, making people fear the 420K health character sans-gimmick.
I think its fascinating you did note that she is the only one with a combo breaker mechanic in the game. Not that this is utilized completely because Phoenix can't auto-punish whatever combo she breaks, but the neutralization of the instance of combat is worthy of note.
But with Anti-Phoenix tech I'm seeing way too many parallels with the emergence of Anti-Sent tech. A metagame may have emerged, but I definitely don't see this being the metagame that defines Phoenix' place in the roster/combat in the long run because you KNOW that anti-Phoenix tech is coming, and will put people on blast at Evo. Much like how Sent was put on blast.
Also, you say every character is top 5, etc. too often. You yourself listed the value of Wolverine, Wesker and Magneto that can dictate the flow of the match. That's 3 characters I think already that have more influence on the match than Phoenix, and I think are arguably better rounded characters, Phoenix is STILL too much of a risk. The Phoenix mirrors and Wong/Tokido grand final was a HIGH stakes match, especially for Tokido. I fully understand the value and sheer power that Phoenix can add to a team, BUT, the instability and injection of a mass amount of chance (from the incoming 50/50 as well) is what makes her a highly volatile property that you must constantly make sure you are catering to, and not Top 3 material for me. That instability is still there whether you are a top tier player or an average joe. Don't get me wrong, she'll always be good, always has been, but she'll never confidently find her way into the highest tiers so to speak because of that volatility. Sidenote: I also don't buy when people say that "without DP she's fine, she has healing field!" because I think expending 1 meter periodically to make a character viable in matchups is some bullshit justification.
And despite Justin's moderate success at his anti-Phoenix team, he was still visibly struggling every bit of the way. I'm hype for (I forget who)'s meter burning combo that wrecks Phoenix based off of chip alone. Desperate times call for desperate measures. But man, the fact that these mechanics exist and we can talk and discuss them in depth, theory fighter or not, technical or not, makes me just love this fucking game even more for how deep and complex it is all around. This is my personal GOTY and nothing else I can see topping it.
LakeEarth said:Awesome stuff.
But in that video, Master CJ says he's dropping Dormammu cause he's too slow
:'(I'm not expecting complete Evo saturation of Phoenix. She-Hulk is more likely really, and HAS been used more, and people don't say shit about that. I suppose she's not broken, but the one time a supposed broken character is used, the stigma is cast over it even though the supposed non-broken characters aren't complained about when they show up everywhere.Adam Prime said:
That said, I was cooking up a Phoenix team 2 months ago, maybe I should get back at it
omg this fucking game!!!!!! on my 3 level up matches i faced nothing but goddamn high lords!!!! i'm trying to level up and this fucking game keeps taking me down!! is there no 4th lords online right now? god this is so frustrating. i was about to even beat one but of course his x factor wesker saved him just like many get saved by him.
you should get an xbox. at night its filled with high lords, comic lords and 1st lords. i can go several matches and not face one 4th lord but several way higher ranked players. i don't even mind playing them but not when i'm trying to level up. what rank are you ultimoo? because once you reach 4th lord you will hardly face any lower ranked players.Ultimoo said:
smurfx said:
She just needs more momentum behind herself. In DS3, her air dash was great to use simply because of how quickly it came out, how fast she moved and the litte bit of slide to it in the ending. In MvC3 though, using it is akin to her saying "derp I'mma just chill up here, not like anything bad will happen rite gaiz"
*Falls on drones/gets Jam Session'd/regular ass Shoryuken'd out of the air before touchdown*
That's not even taking into account that ugly plop of a finish she has for her air dash. It's like the law of gravity just turns itself back on once she reaches max distance and that's one of her biggest problems. She's just insanely punishable off her air game and in a high mobility based fighter, that's guaranteed death for a character.
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