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Marvel vs Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds |OT2| Sold exclusively at Dollar Tree
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Man people seem to have convinced themselves that Spider Man is a counter pick to Phoenix.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....
I respect Spider Man and all but to call him a counter pick to Phoenix is just bull shit. Especially when there are characters who can go kill Dark Phoenix head on like Dormammy and Magneto.
Richard Nguyen still has the best Dante. He basically builds like 2 and a half meter in one combo off of one Haggar assist hit. He can use meter and still come out on profit.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....
I respect Spider Man and all but to call him a counter pick to Phoenix is just bull shit. Especially when there are characters who can go kill Dark Phoenix head on like Dormammy and Magneto.
Richard Nguyen still has the best Dante. He basically builds like 2 and a half meter in one combo off of one Haggar assist hit. He can use meter and still come out on profit.
Isn't the reason people consider Spiderman a counter pick is because he doesn't have to deal with Dark Phoenix at all?
Out of all those set ups, apparently his is the only doable and plausible one in an actual match.
Out of all those set ups, apparently his is the only doable and plausible one in an actual match.
Let's look at the facts.rance said:
*To set it up you need to have Spider Man (or any other character) kill Phoenix low enough to the ground so that Spider Man doesn't get hit by the blast. Due to Phoenix's low health, this is sometimes difficult to do because she might die early into the combo.
*You need to have Spider Man alive until Phoenix is on screen. If you actually want Spider Man for the counter pick, then you can't have him on point on the risk that he might die. His assists suck for him to be played later on.
*Assuming that you are using some other character to get the first hit on Phoenix (like Wolverine or Wesker who can OTG > DHC into UWT), you need to have at least 2 meter on deck. Plus you need an OTG assist like Wesker's AFTER the UWT because it might not kill Dark Phoenix.
*If you don't have an OTG assist with Spider Man then you HAVE to X Factor for the one shot kill. If you miss it then you drop the match because you burnt X factor.
*Setup is fairly tight, there is a high chance of dropping it in a live match.
*Needless to say, you need a VERY SPECIFIC team for this to work and since you might not be using Spider Man you are basically left with Wesker + some other character because you want that OTG just in case you don't want to burn the X Factor for the kill.
And this is all assuming that you can play well enough with Spider Man and friends to A) survive until Phoenix comes up B) finish the combo in the correct height and not have Phoenix die before C) you are able to kill off the gatekeepers for Phoenix.
Situational is an understatement and you basically need to be very good with Spider Man already to incorporate this into your game. Even EvilRahsaan cannot put this in his game plan (well it's because he doesn't really need to as he uses Phoenix). Only person I know who can use this strat is FlashMetroid because he has all the set up ready and that's assuming his Spider Man lives long enough.
That's not how this works. If that were possible, Phoenix could've easily been killed by most LVL3s and beam hypers in the game because they remain active during the duration of the transformation. She can block after she transforms but she can't do much else (ie can't hyper cancel). She can basically be command/cinematic grabbed only.shaowebb said:
I spelled Richard Nguyen, the best Dante player, correctly.
He has technology with Dante that is way ahead of Ryan. I am not talking just combos but general match up awareness, pokes, hit confirms and utilization of tools. Ryan just does a great job of using Dante in his team with all the assists but Richard's Dante is the benchmark for Dante.
He has technology with Dante that is way ahead of Ryan. I am not talking just combos but general match up awareness, pokes, hit confirms and utilization of tools. Ryan just does a great job of using Dante in his team with all the assists but Richard's Dante is the benchmark for Dante.
Richard can do anything that Ryan can do and more. And he does it without using assists to extend combos. He got the Pop Shredder loop down, the Acid Rain loop down, all the teleport/bold cancel stuff and he can do it off of hit confirms that is generally unheard of. Like Crystal into Devil Trigger, Stinger + bold cancel from 3/4th screen on reaction, Carats into Devil Trigger and Air Guitar into Teleport all leading into a full combo.
Then his pressure/zoning game with Dante is just next-gen. I swear I see something new with this guy every time I watch him play.
Then his pressure/zoning game with Dante is just next-gen. I swear I see something new with this guy every time I watch him play.
I didn't get to see much of Rich tonight because I was too busy studying, but I still think 10 Stars has best Dante - he just doesn't have the best Dante team, maybe. He's extremely innovative in regards to opening you up with Tron and Bold Cancel and he HAS been consistent at GB - until recently, of course.
Oldschoolgamer
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Yea. 10 Star's Dante is pretty gdlk. If Richard/Ryan have the best Dante on the west, he definitely has it on the East.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Kimosabae said:
Oops. I dunno why I thought he was West.
Dahbomb said:
You act like using assists are a crutch. They're only a crutch if you have an assist that is useless as a point character. No one is going to snap in Dormmamu or Ammy because of their assists. Even if they were going to, Ryan can still play both of them effectively. I'd say maybe Richard is the better Dante, but how has he actually placed at some recent tournaments? I haven't seen him since WNF. Did he play at Revel?
USD said:
I'm not saying you're wrong but in what regard? He can do most of the Dante specific combos and he's actually ahead of others in some regards, with larger BC Stinger variations and Hammer setups I haven't seen before. He's so technically versatile, he does something new seemingly every match. I'd criticize him for using Tron and Iron Man, but he still hasn't cemeted his team yet.
Heavy's Sandvich
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This has arrived, no idea what I'm doing.
Any suggestions of videos I can watch to help me out?
Also, what about a noob team?
Any suggestions of videos I can watch to help me out?
Also, what about a noob team?
Ogrekiller
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This should be mandatory for any aspiring MvC player.Heavy's Sandvich said:
Tips for teams from the best:
Justin Wong (paraphrased): To be successful, pick two established "good" characters, and then pick the one character you really want to play. You'll probably be okay.
Combofiend: The biggest things that make a great character: high health, a spammable jump C, and are really able to capitalize off of an air throw.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I completely forgot those guys made that video.
Cheers mate, will look into this.
Cheers mate, will look into this.
Grecco said:
I'm convinced that all Capcom staff were advised to say nothing about MvC3 DLC until all the events and Shadow Battles were released. Since this was kind of an experiment for Capcom, they probably thought that these timed release events would satisfy people's need for continued support while they worked on other stuff. A gross miscalculation.
sixteen-bit
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Svensson doesn't know the difference between "uninterested" and "disinterested"
Karsticles
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Professor X has not been crippled for a long time, I have been told.
When I played people particularly atrocious at MvC2, I would do nothing but fly around with Sentinel while calling the Corridor assist - so trollsome.
IMO, start by looking at the SRK hyper guide for characters you are interested in.
Play 100 matches with that character, and then watch it again.
I'm not too hyped about Super unless the netcode is drastically improved. Every single character I want in this game has only the slightest chance in hell of making it in. Plus, I'm actually at a point where I kind of like my team, so even if my most-wanted characters got in, I'm not entirely certain that I would pick them up.
Karsticles
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Anyone want to play a game? For Super MvC3, we assume 10 new characters total, and we post 3 lists:
1) Dream list: this list is entirely characters you would earnestly consider putting on your main team just by aesthetics alone because you love them so much. No consideration is given regarding the likelihood of the characters chosen.
2) Nightmare list: this list is the worst character roster that could possibly be chosen for Super MvC3, while still remaining entirely realistic (so, no Bone Claw Wolverine, Aunt May with super powers, etc.). This list is so disappointing that you might actually consider not buying the game.
3) Marketing list: the list you think would sell the most games; no consideration is given to whether you like the characters on the list or not. You just think these characters would sell a ton of copies.
Mine:
Dream List:
Capcom:
Mega Man Classic
Nina (BoF2)
Rathalos
Captain Commando
Firebrand
Marvel:
Venom
Carnage
Blackheart
Dr. Strange
Iceman
Nightmare List:
Capcom:
Megaman Volnutt
Regina
Leon Kennedy
Jon Talbain
Frank West
Marvel:
Silver Surfer
Cyclops
Dare Devil
Elektra
Squirrel Girl
Marketing List:
Capcom:
1) Mega Man X
2) Frank West
3) Phoenix Wright
4) Vergil
5) Strider Hiryu
Marvel:
1) Venom
2) Ghost Rider
3) Juggernaut
4) Cyclops
5) Gambit
1) Dream list: this list is entirely characters you would earnestly consider putting on your main team just by aesthetics alone because you love them so much. No consideration is given regarding the likelihood of the characters chosen.
2) Nightmare list: this list is the worst character roster that could possibly be chosen for Super MvC3, while still remaining entirely realistic (so, no Bone Claw Wolverine, Aunt May with super powers, etc.). This list is so disappointing that you might actually consider not buying the game.
3) Marketing list: the list you think would sell the most games; no consideration is given to whether you like the characters on the list or not. You just think these characters would sell a ton of copies.
Mine:
Dream List:
Capcom:
Mega Man Classic
Nina (BoF2)
Rathalos
Captain Commando
Firebrand
Marvel:
Venom
Carnage
Blackheart
Dr. Strange
Iceman
Nightmare List:
Capcom:
Megaman Volnutt
Regina
Leon Kennedy
Jon Talbain
Frank West
Marvel:
Silver Surfer
Cyclops
Dare Devil
Elektra
Squirrel Girl
Marketing List:
Capcom:
1) Mega Man X
2) Frank West
3) Phoenix Wright
4) Vergil
5) Strider Hiryu
Marvel:
1) Venom
2) Ghost Rider
3) Juggernaut
4) Cyclops
5) Gambit
Master Milk
Member
I laughed way too hard at this. Oh Capcom fans, I feel so bad for you sometimes.Karsticles said:
Karsticles said:
Dream List:
Capcom-
Ken Masters
Phoenix Wright
Captain Commando
Cammy White
Leon S. Kennedy
Marvel-
Psylocke
Ms. Marvel
Venom
Rogue
Cyclops
Nightmare List:
Capcom-
DmC Dante
... really, that's the only thing that would make me consider NOT buying it. They could put any throwaway character in here and it wouldn't matter to me. I'll upgrade as long as the lobby system and netcode are improved.
Marketing List:
Capcom-
Frank West
Strider Hiryu
Mega Man
Marvel-
Emma Frost
Venom
Ghost Rider
Carnage
Dr. Octopus
sixteen-bit
Member
I want Juggernaut. Instant GOTY amongst friends.
sixteen-bit
Member
I wouldn't mind a retail release if it improves the IU by cutting down on loading and saving screens.enzo_gt said:
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Ooooh, wish lists. It's been so long. I only really want two specific characters though:
Phoenix Wright needs a representative, and while I could think of a moveset that would work for him, I can't think of one that I'd actually like to use. Whip fighting is more straightforward and up my alley, though.
The OTG queen of TvC deserves another outing. TvC Roll is more fun than any Vs series incarnation of Mega Man to date, at least.
And then pick any one of Jedah, Lord Raptor, or Donovan for a 4th DS.
Phoenix Wright needs a representative, and while I could think of a moveset that would work for him, I can't think of one that I'd actually like to use. Whip fighting is more straightforward and up my alley, though.
The OTG queen of TvC deserves another outing. TvC Roll is more fun than any Vs series incarnation of Mega Man to date, at least.
And then pick any one of Jedah, Lord Raptor, or Donovan for a 4th DS.
This is one of the fastest-loading games I own, even before installing to HD._dementia said:
sixteen-bit
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As a PS3 player, I jelly.Sixfortyfive said:
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Professor X gets crippled and decrippled on and off again. Don't know the exact number of rotations but yeah, currently he's uncrippled.
My new character want list
Marvel
Green Goblin / Hob Goblin (dlc costume alt)
Silver Surfer
Cloak / Dagger
Carnage
Mephisto
Ash Williams (Marvel Zombies vs. Army of Darkness)
Capcom
Strider
Gene
Asura's Wrath guy (cool way to promote the game before release)
Kyosuke
Edward Falcon
Marvel
Green Goblin / Hob Goblin (dlc costume alt)
Silver Surfer
Cloak / Dagger
Carnage
Mephisto
Ash Williams (Marvel Zombies vs. Army of Darkness)
Capcom
Strider
Gene
Asura's Wrath guy (cool way to promote the game before release)
Kyosuke
Edward Falcon
Mister Wilhelm
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What do I want?
Marvel:
1.) SQUIRREL GIRL - Although they'll probably say they can't make her work due to RAM issues...
2.) Venom - I'd like to see him play kind of like a mix between Hulk and Spiderman rather than his MVC 1/2 incarnations. Powerful super armor attacks combined with mobility options and clever web traps kind of like Makoto's command throw tricks.
3.) Doc Oc - I think he has a ton of potential to be a flexible grappler character. It would be nice to see him have a lot of tricky "teleports" with his arms.
4.) Nightcrawler - He should be what Jill could be.
5.) Green Goblin - Level 3 super = goblin glider rape.
6.) Juggernaut - Same as his previous molds, just more viable.
7.) Daredevil - Like Deadpool with stronger offense and less spam.
8.) Blackheart - Even though Dormammu kind of replaced him, I miss the guy.
Capcom:
1.) Leo (Red Earth) - Really could do well in this game, always loved his playstyle.
2.) Firebrand - Should play sort of like Twelve with lots of flying/instant overheads.
3.) Jedah - Just slightly modified to fit in. His projectile attacks would make excellent assists for lockdown.
4.) Anakaris - Same as above.
5.) Strider - Yep.
6.) Urien - Now this is an odd choice, but I really think they could do amazing things with him in MVC3 if they make his reflectors bigger and change up his rushdown/combos a bit, though with the projectile priority system it would be a nightmare to make him work correctly.
Marvel:
1.) SQUIRREL GIRL - Although they'll probably say they can't make her work due to RAM issues...
2.) Venom - I'd like to see him play kind of like a mix between Hulk and Spiderman rather than his MVC 1/2 incarnations. Powerful super armor attacks combined with mobility options and clever web traps kind of like Makoto's command throw tricks.
3.) Doc Oc - I think he has a ton of potential to be a flexible grappler character. It would be nice to see him have a lot of tricky "teleports" with his arms.
4.) Nightcrawler - He should be what Jill could be.
5.) Green Goblin - Level 3 super = goblin glider rape.
6.) Juggernaut - Same as his previous molds, just more viable.
7.) Daredevil - Like Deadpool with stronger offense and less spam.
8.) Blackheart - Even though Dormammu kind of replaced him, I miss the guy.
Capcom:
1.) Leo (Red Earth) - Really could do well in this game, always loved his playstyle.
2.) Firebrand - Should play sort of like Twelve with lots of flying/instant overheads.
3.) Jedah - Just slightly modified to fit in. His projectile attacks would make excellent assists for lockdown.
4.) Anakaris - Same as above.
5.) Strider - Yep.
6.) Urien - Now this is an odd choice, but I really think they could do amazing things with him in MVC3 if they make his reflectors bigger and change up his rushdown/combos a bit, though with the projectile priority system it would be a nightmare to make him work correctly.
I ALREADY DID THIS A LONG TIME AGO!!!Karsticles said:
I just want Vergil, Strider and Gene in this game. I have some Marvel favorites (like Juggs, Psylocke) I want but these take priority over most.
Also LOL @ Spider Woman before Venom rumor. Although it's Capcom so you never know. June 30th MVC3 DLC date? HIGHLY UNLIKELY!
But I honestly expect SOMETHING from Comic Con. Nitsuma was here in the States and had a little meeting with Marvel. Of course it was talk about SMVC3 and how/when they should unveil it and with what characters. Marvel of course puts all their eggs in at ComicCon so they said ComicCon.
This is all guess work but it's educated guess work.
sixteen-bit
Member
I'd think Marvel has a much bigger say than Capcom.Dahbomb said:
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Dream List:
Capcom:
Strider
Vergil/Nero (either would work for me)
Gene
Asura's Wrath guy
Juri
Marvel:
Carnage - I know he's hated among other nerds, but I prefer the sleeker symbiote build and I think he has a cooler moveset potential
Gambit - Cartoon Gambit was awesome, he's more of a douche in other interpretations but again I think he could be very fun to play
Nova - Cosmic Marvel needs some love, gravity based powers would be unique
Green Goblin
Blink (Exiles) - Teleport/zoning + ability to teleport opponents would make a fun playstile
Bonus: Amingo - I seem to be the only person who wouldn't mind to see him return as a joke character
Nightmare List:
Capcom:
Megaman Anything - don't care for the series at all, X is okay but beyond that...
Lady
Any Resident Evil character - series has enough good representation right now
Phoenix Wright - maybe they can work it out, but I fear he'd be too gimmicky
Frank West
Marvel:
Punisher
Ghost Rider
Beast
Squirrel Girl
Uuhm...Cable
Marketing List:
Capcom:
1) Mega Man X
2) Frank West
3) Phoenix Wright
4) Vergil
5) Strider Hiryu
Same list as someone else and altough I dislike 3/5 picks, it's realistic
Marvel:
Venom
Miss Marvel
Dr. Strange
Green Goblin
Gambit
Capcom:
Strider
Vergil/Nero (either would work for me)
Gene
Asura's Wrath guy
Juri
Marvel:
Carnage - I know he's hated among other nerds, but I prefer the sleeker symbiote build and I think he has a cooler moveset potential
Gambit - Cartoon Gambit was awesome, he's more of a douche in other interpretations but again I think he could be very fun to play
Nova - Cosmic Marvel needs some love, gravity based powers would be unique
Green Goblin
Blink (Exiles) - Teleport/zoning + ability to teleport opponents would make a fun playstile
Bonus: Amingo - I seem to be the only person who wouldn't mind to see him return as a joke character
Nightmare List:
Capcom:
Megaman Anything - don't care for the series at all, X is okay but beyond that...
Lady
Any Resident Evil character - series has enough good representation right now
Phoenix Wright - maybe they can work it out, but I fear he'd be too gimmicky
Frank West
Marvel:
Punisher
Ghost Rider
Beast
Squirrel Girl
Uuhm...Cable
Marketing List:
Capcom:
1) Mega Man X
2) Frank West
3) Phoenix Wright
4) Vergil
5) Strider Hiryu
Same list as someone else and altough I dislike 3/5 picks, it's realistic
Marvel:
Venom
Miss Marvel
Dr. Strange
Green Goblin
Gambit
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