Yea it's basically like Clueless.
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Marvel's Daredevil S2 *Spoiler Thread* |OT| Elektra Boogaloo - March 18th on Netflix
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Yea it's basically like Clueless.
And? Even Matt admits to Frank that maybe his way isn't working. But if they're going to kill, he'd rather they be pointing in the right direction.
Dang it...
PartlyCloudlike
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lol
Vulcano's assistant
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Talking about the DA. Reyes was the best antagonist on this (other than Frank). As evil as they may be, Nobu or the Blacksmith didn't really measured up, they more like just kind show up. I didn't really feel much for them.
StopMakingSense
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Yeah she was great. A nice step up from her great role in The Glades.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Yeah, Frank's relationship with Karen was very paternal. Best seen in the diner.
She was a good bad guy.
In the comics, Kagenobu Yoshioka was the founder of the Hand.
The "farm" concept is unexplained, but as far as I can tell they're basically using them as petri dishes to germinate a bunch of weird shit in blood then extracting it and using it for something related to that big coffin with Japanese text on it.
Speaking of which, did anyone write down what it said? That and the parchment where the ledger was supposed to be?
Mass_Pincup
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Matt did say at one point that his way wasn't working and that they should try Frank's. It depends on whether Matt believed Nobu's supposed immortality or if he kept burying his head in the sand.
Demoncarnotaur
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This season had some great bits, but I liked season 1 a little more.
Alandrus Sun
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I'm not arguing with you but the other poster was saying that maybe Matt didn't believe he was killing Nobu. He did, he chose to murder him and let Elektra kill those other jobbers.
Finished episode 10. Great episode but a few nitpicks. Why is Matt on the roof in full gear but he's not wearing the helmet? Also, during the conversation he had with the nurse (played by Rosario Dawson) Charlie Cox' English accent slips out a little bit.
Elektra feels like the weak link in the show. Not a terrible character. But she doesn't add that much I feel. I feel like they could have done a better job of incorporating The Hand without using Elektra or maybe using her in a more interesting way.
Elektra feels like the weak link in the show. Not a terrible character. But she doesn't add that much I feel. I feel like they could have done a better job of incorporating The Hand without using Elektra or maybe using her in a more interesting way.
SockyJohnson
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Came off nightshift and squeezed in the final three episodes I needed to complete the season before falling asleep.
Few quick thoughts:
How good is The Punisher!? Excellent portrayal. I hope that Marvel give us more of Bernthal's Frank Castle.
When Fisk is one screen... sogood.gif His last interaction with Matt was brilliant.
Personal opinion: I feel that season 2 suffers from lack of focus on a central villain.
Going from Mobsters, Pun, The DA, Kingpin, Blacksmith, Electra, The Hand etc often feels like they tried to fit too much in and as a result a few plot holes are left in its wake.
Few quick thoughts:
How good is The Punisher!? Excellent portrayal. I hope that Marvel give us more of Bernthal's Frank Castle.
When Fisk is one screen... sogood.gif His last interaction with Matt was brilliant.
Personal opinion: I feel that season 2 suffers from lack of focus on a central villain.
Going from Mobsters, Pun, The DA, Kingpin, Blacksmith, Electra, The Hand etc often feels like they tried to fit too much in and as a result a few plot holes are left in its wake.
I don't think Matt believed throwing Nobu off the roof wasn't going to kill him. I think he knew damn well what he was doing, especially after Elektra just got killed. But even then, Nobu came back once before. So maybe he just assumed Nobu could take the hit, and if he bothered coming back again, Matt would be ready for round 3.
NullPointer
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Nobu literally kicked it off of his head IIRC.
Lets look at the inspiration:
And can ya blame him?
Daredevil is doing the Arrow thing where they conveniently ignore any potentially fatal actions by the lead that isn't a bullet to the brain or sword to the chest count. DD hits people in the head a lot, he's done brain damage if not killed people from it. Just suspend your disbelief, Nobu wasn't a kill shot.
Yep it was hilarious.
Nobu was an intended kill shot, it was kind of a running thing through the series about him having to eventually go beyond what he should. It happen in conversations with Stick and Elektra
You should either keep watching, or if you finiahed it, fucking pay attention to what you are watching lol
Edit: I guess youre not done...in which case why are you in this thread
If it was an intended kill shot on Nobu of all people, it would've been a Stick style beheading.
There was a degree of respect between Karen and Frank. She proved herself to not just be a weak flower to him and that set the ground for that mutual respect.
Frank Castle is still Frank Castle up until the diner. Karen in some ways seems to be anchoring him from completely going over to the Punisher persona. Then when things go down in the diner and he bashes that guys skull open etc. and Karen comes out and is completely revolted you can see her reaction impacts Frank and its at that point he says fuck it and really begins to embrace Punisher and letting Frank die and tells her to get away from him.
Frank Castle is still Frank Castle up until the diner. Karen in some ways seems to be anchoring him from completely going over to the Punisher persona. Then when things go down in the diner and he bashes that guys skull open etc. and Karen comes out and is completely revolted you can see her reaction impacts Frank and its at that point he says fuck it and really begins to embrace Punisher and letting Frank die and tells her to get away from him.
bananafactory
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So they never found out who the blacksmith was or did I miss something?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I don't think version of Frank Castle could ever completely become The Punisher. The version in the comics pretty much eventually burns most of his humanity out. This one is a lot more volatile and passionate and just overall human, which makes him so interesting.
Personally, I think the transformation into The Punisher begins in the cabin after he shoots Schoonover. Up until then, he's still hunting The Blacksmith, but once the object of his revenge is dead... he keeps going.
Frank's old colonel was the Blacksmith
He's totally humane to his neighbours in Welcome Back Frank. He even took that shy lady's cookies!
A part of me wanted Castle to play a more active role during the final battle instead of being on another rooftop. :/
broncobuster
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Nobu literally kicked it off of his head IIRC.
Lets look at the inspiration:
And can ya blame him?
There's a mini reference to that in the series. I'm sure it's been pointed out earlier in this thread.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Yeah! I wanted to see that fucking gatling gun used against a horde of ninjas.
? Frank's old colonel was the Blacksmith. They yell something at Frank before they blow up the boat implying they knew him. Then Karen put it together that they dead dudes being pulled out of the water were members of Castle's old squad.
He wasn`t in a position to stop either of them from killing anyone.
Also, not sure he particularly gave a shit whether or not Nobu died when he flung him off the roof. I think that`s pretty consistent considering how pissed he was about Elektra`s death.
bananafactory
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Ah, duh. I knew he was involved I guess I just never made the leap to him actually being Blacksmith.
Makes sense that killing him closed that part of Frank's arc then.
Thanks
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I like to think that Daredevil was okay with Frank sniping those dicks cause Nobu would have escaped otherwise. Plus he can't do shit about it anyways, so let it happen.
BlackNMild2k1
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the name of this thread should have been:
Marvel's Daredevil S2 *Spoiler Thread* |OT| The Punisher S1 - March 18th on Netflix
HOLY SHIT at Frank Castle
Marvel's Daredevil S2 *Spoiler Thread* |OT| The Punisher S1 - March 18th on Netflix
HOLY SHIT at Frank Castle
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I agree.
Vulcano's assistant
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I know shit about the DD comics, so I was actually expecting the Blacksmith to be a drug front for The Chaste to fund its war against The Hand, and it would end up making it all the more gray, plus tie up the two stories in some way.
CaviarMeths
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For real though, the first four episodes are some of the best TV I've ever seen. The monologue in the graveyard should make everyone else pull out of the Emmy race, even if Frank did say "you know" about 30-40 times in 10 minutes.
I think we all expected the Blacksmith to be something more interesting.
CaviarMeths
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CaviarMeths
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Ninja training, obviously. Mr. Miyagi had The Hand digging holes and waxing cars.
Vulcano's assistant
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I thought that urn they are using to bring people back to life is what was buried there.
ScreenSplitter
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Dude they can't even afford the CG for Avengers Tower in the NY skyline...Fin Fang Foom was sleeping down that giant hole, he will be the villain in the Defenders
Finished it. It was good but it sort of loses me towards the end.
My two biggest problems are:
1) The whole Blacksmith plot and the way that storyline fit into the season. They should've had the whole thing make sense while tieing it to the Hand plotline.
2) Karen. I fucking hate this character. This dude Matt literally had to spell it out to her that he's Daredevil. She's everywhere and it brings down every scene she's in.
My two biggest problems are:
1) The whole Blacksmith plot and the way that storyline fit into the season. They should've had the whole thing make sense while tieing it to the Hand plotline.
2) Karen. I fucking hate this character. This dude Matt literally had to spell it out to her that he's Daredevil. She's everywhere and it brings down every scene she's in.
CaviarMeths
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Tbf, I don't think it's something that anybody would suspect unless, like Elektra and Stick, they knew about his abilities beforehand. He's honest-to-god blind, which would cause anyone to write him off. It's not like Comm Gordon in Nolan's Batman, who really had no excuse for not knowing that Bruce Wayne is Batman.
Caddywompus
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I was really hoping Blacksmith was going to be a pseudonym for Smythe. And a vicious cycle takes place when Smythe joins forces with Fisk. Smythe creates Punisher, helps Fisk release Punisher, gets punished (Survives but in a wheelchair).
They dropped the ball at the end for sure. They should have just focused on Castle and Fisk, left all the supernatural destiny Elektra stuff out.
They dropped the ball at the end for sure. They should have just focused on Castle and Fisk, left all the supernatural destiny Elektra stuff out.