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Marvel's Daredevil S2 *Spoiler Thread* |OT| Elektra Boogaloo - March 18th on Netflix
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darkhunger
Member
They hired a new costume designer, who I think killed it. The final costumes for DD, Elektra and Punisher were all pretty good, all things considered.
The prison fight actually impressed me more than the stairwell fight, mainly because I wasn't expecting to see Bernthal do choreography like that.
Night Hunter
Banned
Btw does anyone know what is up with the cursing in this show. They snuck in a slow motion fuck in season 1, and for the longest time I thought Disney didn't allow nudity and the word fuck, but in episode 3 Frank drops the only f bomb in the season and that left me severly confused.
I'm not sure what you're confused about. It's a more adult show with more cursing than other Marvel properties.
Night Hunter
Banned
I'm confused about the fact that they avoided the word fuck like a plague for the most part. Not only in the Netflix shows but the rest of the MCU as well. That made it seem like it was a rule set by Disney or something. That is until The Punisher just says it once in episode 02x03. The rest is all shit in all it's forms and variations. And that is what is confusing about it. If they are allowed to use it, why not use it.
Didn't she say that during their conversation on the rooftop? Right before The Hand attack the hospital.
ScreenSplitter
Member
It's really not hard to grasp.
MCU movies and ABC shows: suitable for kids
Netflix MCU shows: Not suitable for kids
You might also notice how in MCU movies they shoot bad guys who just fall down, but in Daredevil Kingpin turns a guys Skull into confetti.
plasmawave
Banned
Just finished it. Season 1 was better.
Season 2 is really unfocused and kinda messy. Too many things going on.
They should have focused on either Punisher or Elektra.
Season 2 is really unfocused and kinda messy. Too many things going on.
They should have focused on either Punisher or Elektra.
Night Hunter
Banned
I get that. The violence is not even part of my question. The questions is: If they are allowed (read: Disney is okay with using the word fuck) to use profanity, why don't they go all the way? This way it just seems weird. That's something that always bugged me about cable shows on AMC for example, but it's even more jarring in this instance because other Netflix shows have zero problems with it and they even used it once in DD.
Disney may have a limitation in place for how many times they can go to the well on certain words. General profanity is ok but going for the F bombs etc. usually gets limited to just stay in a Not quite R but borderline region.
You know for how unfocused this season might get towards the end, it kind of fits given the theme or nature of this season in relation to Daredevil since he's struggling to find balance between his job, personal relationships and being a vigilante. Also struggling in a way to "balance the scales" when it comes to justice between his view and Punisher's.
With that said, that doesn't make the plotlines themselves any better than they are. Punisher's plotline fizzled out pretty uneventfully and The Hand story was a pretty vague conflict. The finale episode is still great fun though and delivers on the action that S1's finale seriously lacked.
With that said, that doesn't make the plotlines themselves any better than they are. Punisher's plotline fizzled out pretty uneventfully and The Hand story was a pretty vague conflict. The finale episode is still great fun though and delivers on the action that S1's finale seriously lacked.
While I love Elektra in this show and the actress that plays her, the show starts it's decent into gibberish as soon as she appears. The season started out so strong and then the foot clan shows up and its like what is even going on? The threat of "the hand" is so nebulous and vague it's like who cares? I can't stand all the horrible Japanese dialogue, too.
If you're going to do a story on Yakuza and mystic mumbo jumbo at least hire a consultant to make it not hilarious. Like, even just fucking play one of the Yakuza games or watch some v-cinema or something. I really couldn't care less if it was like this in the comics or not, it just feels like a storyline ripped from something you'd see on rifftracks.
The ironic thing the best Japanese spoken on the show was spoken by the white woman.
Anyway, in the end it was still better than Jessica Jones, but not by a lot. Instead of wasting all their time on all the stupid ninja shit, they could have done something with the Blacksmith story. Instead both were dumb and underdeveloped. This season was like the TV drama version of having too many villains in the comic book movie.
If you're going to do a story on Yakuza and mystic mumbo jumbo at least hire a consultant to make it not hilarious. Like, even just fucking play one of the Yakuza games or watch some v-cinema or something. I really couldn't care less if it was like this in the comics or not, it just feels like a storyline ripped from something you'd see on rifftracks.
The ironic thing the best Japanese spoken on the show was spoken by the white woman.
Anyway, in the end it was still better than Jessica Jones, but not by a lot. Instead of wasting all their time on all the stupid ninja shit, they could have done something with the Blacksmith story. Instead both were dumb and underdeveloped. This season was like the TV drama version of having too many villains in the comic book movie.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Peter Shinkoda isn't a white woman! D:
Might as well cast Kane Kosugi tbh.
Why do you all hate Karen?
I never read the comics, don't know who Bullseye is too.
Also, I am not capable of being patient so I want to read everything I can.
This is my Daredevil checklist:
Anything else I should read?
I never read the comics, don't know who Bullseye is too.
Also, I am not capable of being patient so I want to read everything I can.
This is my Daredevil checklist:
- Daredevil by Frank Miller & Klaus Janson
- Born Again
- Daredevil by Ann Nocenti
- Guardian Devil
- Daredevil/Echoarts of a Hole
- Daredevil by Brian Michael Bendis & Alex Maleev Ultimate Collection
- Daredevil by Ed Brubaker & Michael Lark Ultimate Collection
- Daredevil by Mark Waid
Anything else I should read?
Did you never see the Affleck Daredevil film?
She got Ben killed pursuing a story that was irrelevant last season and this season she gets handed a job as a reporter out of nowhere just to give us the backstory on the Punisher. The writers also go out of their way to make sure she's in the middle of as much shit as possible.
I started seeing it a long time ago but decided that it sucked hard after 10 minutes.
Yeah, that hate is understandable hehe.
Bullseye was in that. If you can stomach watching the whole film - and I don't blame you if you can't - then you can find out who he is, etc.
Frank Miller's Man Without Fear is a must.
Also, Bendis basically did an alternate definitive ending to his run as if it didn't continue with Brubaker's and its called End of Days. I have yet to read it but I hear it's great.
Daredevil Father is a one off Joe Quesada written and drawn story that's hit or miss. I don't really care for his art but if you like Guardian Devil you might like this one. It's not too bad.
Daredevil Redemption by David Hine is another one off story that's more Matt Murdock investigating a good ol southern murder with minimal Daredevil and no Hells Kitchen. It's pretty good.
And how could I forget Daredevil Yellow, which is my all time favorite DD story. Just read it. It's Jeph Loeb and Time Sale, which should be enough to sell you on it (if you're at all familiar with their collaborated work). All I'll say is it's more of a love letter/Daredevil character study than any traditional DD comic.
The Quesada and Hine stories I mentioned aren't really necessary if you're only looking for the "best" DD stories. Though Man Without Fear and Yellow should be added to the checklist regardless in my opinion.
They're Hand ninja, as such they are mostly immortal through magic.
The teens in the hospital were brainwashed by the Hand and were being used as farms for the tainted blood needed for resurrection.
Stick wanted to kill Elektra because she was Black Sky, like the kind in the first one.
Stick just completely fucked up by not decapitating Elektra's dead corpse or cremating it.
José Mourinho
cocknose
I've been moaning about the ninja crap in the other thread. I really can't have it.
You forgot Born Again, which is the GOAT Daredevil Story ever
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
It's not out of nowhere, it's been evident on every occasions that she has a knack for finding things.
More_Badass
Member
I kind of wish the Hand was a bit more modernized. I get they're full-on mystical ninjas like in the comics, but threating police with arrows and running around in classic ninja outfits looks silly enough to make them hard to take serious as a legit threat IMO
Yeah I liked Karen this season alot more than last season. She was one of the only characters that actually seemed to care about what was really going on.
kylecoley182
Banned
i heard the ending of season, goes a major left turn for cannon. can anyone explain how? I'm so confused lol
I think that was already on their list but yeah Born Again is absolutely required without question.
The Outsider
Member
Ninjas. Ninjas everywhere.
Having a knack for finding things doesn't justify being handed a job as a reporter at a major newspaper with absolutely no credentials. The guy at the paper has no idea if she can write but is giving her an assignment and an office. She was nothing more than a source to Ben, not a writing partner.
Yeah, I mean she has definitely demonstrated a capability to investigate. She hasn't yet demonstrated, until the final episode of season 2, the capability to write an article.
The thing about her possibly going to law school made a lot more sense than her magically becoming a reporter.
The Outsider
Member
I just want to know how everyone at the Bulletin feels about her getting an office without even officially working there. :lol
Evil's Bane
Member
Just finished it.
INCREDIBLE first four episodes. After that Electra appears and, while she herself is portrayed well, everything she brought with her brings the show down a fair bit. The ninja stuff isn't really clarified so you have no idea what they're actually saving the world from. There's no tension. What's there isn't really interesting enough for me to want to find out about it either.
The Punisher's plotline was great throughout up until the end where they don't give it enough time to get the resolution it really deserves. Loved Berthanal as Frank. He nailed pretty much every scene he was in.
Ironically, the best scene in the entire season goes to Kingpin's brief bit with Matt in the interrogation room. Even when he's barely around, guy manages to steal the show.
Karen and Foggy step up their game a bit here. While Matt's fumbling around with Ninjas they get caught in the Punisher's arc, and they're given a lot more to do and do a great job as a result. I liked seeing them develop.
It was sad to see the law firm go their separate ways, but it honestly would have been way cheesier if everything worked out.
All in all, I thought it was alright, but it didn't touch Season 1 at all. About on par with Jessica Jones's first season.
INCREDIBLE first four episodes. After that Electra appears and, while she herself is portrayed well, everything she brought with her brings the show down a fair bit. The ninja stuff isn't really clarified so you have no idea what they're actually saving the world from. There's no tension. What's there isn't really interesting enough for me to want to find out about it either.
The Punisher's plotline was great throughout up until the end where they don't give it enough time to get the resolution it really deserves. Loved Berthanal as Frank. He nailed pretty much every scene he was in.
Ironically, the best scene in the entire season goes to Kingpin's brief bit with Matt in the interrogation room. Even when he's barely around, guy manages to steal the show.
Karen and Foggy step up their game a bit here. While Matt's fumbling around with Ninjas they get caught in the Punisher's arc, and they're given a lot more to do and do a great job as a result. I liked seeing them develop.
It was sad to see the law firm go their separate ways, but it honestly would have been way cheesier if everything worked out.
All in all, I thought it was alright, but it didn't touch Season 1 at all. About on par with Jessica Jones's first season.
They could do an original story for Defenders, but Daredevil Season 3: Born Again is a must.
I don't understand why this matters.
I think he's just saying it's odd that they don't say fuck as much as you'd expect.
Evil's Bane
Member
Also, one minor thing I spotted when Matt's walking through that hallway at the end: Was Nelson and Murdock across the fucking hall from Alias Investigations or did I read that wrong?
The Outsider
Member
Atlas Investments. Likely a reference to Atlas Comics. Was also visible in season 1.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
I think it read "Atlas".
Alandrus Sun
Banned
Agreed.
But, why? What exactly makes those two so damn compatible? The fact that they both lie to each other constantly? We aren't given any reason as to why their relationship should be a thing, it's equally weird when S1 seemed to be building up Foggy and Karen. Also, I would expect Matt to take at least a little bit of time to grieve for Elektra before getting into another serious relationship.
Evil's Bane
Member
Ah. Alright, my bad.
Just finished. Want more. Liked most of it, loved a lot of it, and only had a few grumbles. I echo those saying it should have been Elektra or Frank, to hone the focus, but it worked quite nicely to have Karen focus on one side of it to keep it ticking over.
Bernthal killed it though; whenever he wasn't on screen, or the Punisher plot line went quiet, I was anticipating his next appearance. I NEED a Punisher spin off.
Holy fuck was it brutal though, at times. Refreshing though, because I felt the Punisher was really wel lhandled. They didn't shy away from his aggression or violence (
), but would I be wrong in saying it's one of the best depictions we've had of a proper anti-hero? They didn't shy away, or get all wishy washy, and delved deep enough into Frank that it balanced out really nicely. It's so easy to either go full on killing machine, with nothing to juxtapose it with, or hold a character's arm behind their back and insist on a no-kill scenario because they're in the good guy's world now.
I think with where the MCU is due to head, and the other comic TV shows and their respective tones, that Marvel/Netfix is easily my favourite, and most anticipated, universe.
Luke Cage in September, but what's the schedule after that? I dare say, like the fast track for DD S2, they may adjust the schedule based on the response to this (please, Punisher spin off).
Bernthal killed it though; whenever he wasn't on screen, or the Punisher plot line went quiet, I was anticipating his next appearance. I NEED a Punisher spin off.
Holy fuck was it brutal though, at times. Refreshing though, because I felt the Punisher was really wel lhandled. They didn't shy away from his aggression or violence (
Shotgun to the face
I think with where the MCU is due to head, and the other comic TV shows and their respective tones, that Marvel/Netfix is easily my favourite, and most anticipated, universe.
Luke Cage in September, but what's the schedule after that? I dare say, like the fast track for DD S2, they may adjust the schedule based on the response to this (please, Punisher spin off).
The Outsider
Member
We'll just have to wait a little bit longer for Matt and Jessica to cross paths!
Scheduling is a good question. JJ S2 got greenlit, but it's still unclear if it will be pre or post Defenders. Netflix doesn't seem too keen on having more than 2 shows released per year, but I hope they move it to 3 post-Defenders so we can get Punisher and maybe another Marvel Knights inspired show - Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, that sort of thing. They could also combine Luke Cage and Iron Fist into a Heroes for Hire show instead of giving each an additional season. All in all, I hope we don't have to wait too long for DD S3. There's a lot of territory still to be mined - The Hand/Elektra, Matt/Karen, Kingpin, Bullseye.
Calm waterfall
Banned
Yes, i felt the same way. Regardless of their tradition modern weaponry will seem much threatening than arrows. It looked silly when they were running through the streets.
the_firewithin
Member
so is there any reason why i didnt have the Luke Cage teaser at the end of my finale?