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[diffusionx]

Isnt this generally the trend in mutating viruses? More contagious but less deadly. It doesnt help the virus spread if it kills its host.

Yes. The problem is, even after almost six months of contrary evidence, people are still living in that overcrowded Italian hospital from March.

People still think this virus has a 15% fatality rate and kills healthy 20 year olds.

 

[Chittagong]

Some UK news:

• The 152 registered deaths from coronavirus in the week ending August 7 week is the lowest in twenty weeks
• Flu and pneumonia killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week
• six times as many people are now dying from flu and pneumonia
• hospital admissions have not spiked and that infections are only on the up because of more testing in badly-hit areas such as the North West
• ONS report — which is released every Tuesday — showed deaths from all causes are lower than the five-year average for the eighth week in a row

Flu and pneumonia killing six times more people as Covid-19

Latest data from the Office for National Statistics revealed flu and pneumonia killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the week up to August 7, compared to 152 Covid-19 victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[sinnergy]

Yes. The problem is, even after almost six months of contrary evidence, people are still living in that overcrowded Italian hospital from March.

People still think this virus has a 15% fatality rate and kills healthy 20 year olds.

Most don’t think that you get so much hospitalizations that it overloads your care system and that in return kills people, together with the virus that also kills ... it’s that simple .

but young people can have months of issues even with mild symptoms... I know at least one (she is 34) that still can only work for 40% and sHé was healthy with no real issues .
And still revalidating since March.
so even then you don’t want to get it.

 

[diffusionx]

Most don’t think that you get so much hospitalizations that it overloads your care system and that in return kills people ... it’s that simple .

No, it doesn't do that, it has not and will not. Despite all the hype early on, with people talking about Ferguson's models saying there was going to be a catastrophe even with a lockdown, systems handled it just fine. The fact is that the danger of this was always massively overstated.

That said, the regular flu overloads health care systems every few years and nobody talks about mass meltdown and catastrophe, it just happens.

but young people can have months of issues even with mild symptoms... I know at least one (she is 34) that still can only work for 40% and sHé was healthy with no real issues .
And still revalidating since March.
so even then you don’t want to get it.

A lot of us did get it, and didn't have any symptoms, or got symptoms similar to a flu. The official case numbers are vastly undercounted, by a factor of 10-100, fact is that tens of millions of people got it and recovered from it with no real issue at all.

 

[CloudNull]

Most don’t think that you get so much hospitalizations that it overloads your care system and that in return kills people, together with the virus that also kills ... it’s that simple .

but young people can have months of issues even with mild symptoms... I know at least one (she is 34) that still can only work for 40% and sHé was healthy with no real issues .
And still revalidating since March.
so even then you don’t want to get it.

Never use anecdotal evidence to make a point.

I know some one who had antibodies but never realized they had Covid. This must make my point more true since I said it lol

Give me hard, clean data to look at.

 

[12Goblins]

Some UK news:

• The 152 registered deaths from coronavirus in the week ending August 7 week is the lowest in twenty weeks
• Flu and pneumonia killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week
• six times as many people are now dying from flu and pneumonia
• hospital admissions have not spiked and that infections are only on the up because of more testing in badly-hit areas such as the North West
• ONS report — which is released every Tuesday — showed deaths from all causes are lower than the five-year average for the eighth week in a row

Flu and pneumonia killing six times more people as Covid-19

Latest data from the Office for National Statistics revealed flu and pneumonia killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the week up to August 7, compared to 152 Covid-19 victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Always enjoy your UK updates

 

[Jezbollah]

Party at Dr John's house yo!

 

[bigsnack]

That’s why when they talk about the % positivity I get very confused. Why would you expect that 95% of the people getting tested for this would be negative? And doesn’t that incentivize testing people you don’t suspect to drive down the positivity rate? My experience at the hospital is that because rapid testing is somewhat limited, we only test people we suspect could be positive based on symptoms or exposure. The whole thing seems crazy to me.

The idea you would spend billions of dollars testing for a disease and 90% of those tests are negative seems like an enormous waste both of money and supplies.

I've started really only paying attention to the hospitalization rate, and a much farther second metric would be the death rate. If 500 people a day are testing positive for the virus, but nobody is in the hospital, I see no reason to keep on restricting everyone, or even caring at that point. I walk by our neighborhood park a couple of days a week with my kids, and I just shake my head at the caution tape wrapped around the playground...

 

[FireFly]

That’s why when they talk about the % positivity I get very confused. Why would you expect that 95% of the people getting tested for this would be negative? And doesn’t that incentivize testing people you don’t suspect to drive down the positivity rate? My experience at the hospital is that because rapid testing is somewhat limited, we only test people we suspect could be positive based on symptoms or exposure. The whole thing seems crazy to me.

The idea you would spend billions of dollars testing for a disease and 90% of those tests are negative seems like an enormous waste both of money and supplies.

The wider the net you cast, the more cases you will be able to catch, and the less you will need to rely on other measures to control the virus. If we knew through some magical means exactly who had the virus at any given time, this crisis could be over by now. In fact, think about just how much money such a list of people would be worth.

 

[sinnergy]

Never use anecdotal evidence to make a point.

I know some one who had antibodies but never realized they had Covid. This must make my point more true since I said it lol

Give me hard, clean data to look at.

Wtf is your point ? It’s not a numbers game but people’s life . And it affected her life . That to me is worth more than graphs and numbers .

but statistics say young people are fine

And doing the basics like washing your hands , keep distance and avoid crowds or wear a mask when needed are not that big of a deal.

 

[cryptoadam]

Yale’s rapid COVID-19 saliva test receives FDA emergency use authorization

The YSPH-developed test, called SalivaDirect, has been used as part of an NBA testing program and will now be available to more diagnostic laboratories.

news.yale.edu

 

[sinnergy]

No, it doesn't do that, it has not and will not. Despite all the hype early on, with people talking about Ferguson's models saying there was going to be a catastrophe even with a lockdown, systems handled it just fine. The fact is that the danger of this was always massively overstated.

That said, the regular flu overloads health care systems every few years and nobody talks about mass meltdown and catastrophe, it just happens.



A lot of us did get it, and didn't have any symptoms, or got symptoms similar to a flu. The official case numbers are vastly undercounted, by a factor of 10-100, fact is that tens of millions of people got it and recovered from it with no real issue at all.

With restrictions in place , now imagine that number for the world population where everyone is invected almost at once ... which we never saw because we put measures up.

but we did saw close encounters, NY, Italy , Spain, France , Wuhan. Almost complete local collapses of the health care systems. Where military was needed to help and other treatments for cancer etc stopped.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Wtf is your point ? It’s not a numbers game but people’s life . And it affected her life . That to me is worth more than graphs and numbers .

but statistics say young people are fine

And doing the basics like washing your hands , keep distance and avoid crowds or wear a mask when needed are not that big of a deal.

But risk assessment is all a numbers game. That's just reality. I agree that basic measures like the ones you laid out are good ideas. But people want to know if they should send their kids to school. They want to know if they should go the church. Or a restaurant. And for some people, those things are fine and for others they might not be. The risk will never be zero. So people need to know how at risk they are. That's why anecdotes are not helpful when making decisions. We aren't talking about your friend who still isn't feeling well. I can sympathize with them, but we need to know whether or not their situation is common for this infection. My feeling is that it is not.

 

[diffusionx]

With restrictions in place , now imagine that number for the world population where everyone is invected almost at once ... which we never saw because we put measures up.

but we did saw close encounters, NY, Italy , Spain, France , Wuhan. Almost complete local collapses of the health care systems. Where military was needed to help and other treatments for cancer etc stopped.

No, that's not true. New York was not close to collapsing. First of all, the actual hospitalization needs were around 25% of what was predicted WITH a lockdown. Second of all, they brought in a giant navy ship and used the convention center as emergency hospitals. Turns out they treated a grand total of maybe 200 people in a month. Totally unnecessary and overblown.

This "muh hospital system collapse" is a myth, completely fake.

 

[DeepBreath87]

No, that's not true. New York was not close to collapsing. First of all, the actual hospitalization needs were around 25% of what was predicted WITH a lockdown. Second of all, they brought in a giant navy ship and used the convention center as emergency hospitals. Turns out they treated a grand total of maybe 200 people in a month. Totally unnecessary and overblown.

This "muh hospital system collapse" is a myth, completely fake.

Not entirely. They fully exceeded their ICU capacity and probably some people died because of it. They had to create ICU beds in places that were not really set up for it and use staff that were not experienced or well trained in ICU level care. They did themselves absolutely no favors with the nursing home polices they implemented and probably killed a lot more people that way as well. But there is some truth to the system being pushed past its limits in some ways. New York obviously fucked up. There is a reason between them and New Jersey they have about 30% of the overall deaths.

That doesn't mean full lockdown was ever a good idea, however.

 

[cryptoadam]

I dont know why this annoying pillow guy is pushing this thing or why XiNN is giving him 20 minutes of air time.

 

[Aarbron]

ohh just piss off:

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I dont know why this annoying pillow guy is pushing this thing or why XiNN is giving him 20 minutes of air time.

til guy is still alive lol

 

[Joe T.]

Interesting theory. I’m not sure how much this is CCP alone though. There’s something about technology that has its own logic when anyone who wants power and control uses it. Why did Fauci fund gain of function research in Wuhan?

Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars

Biomedical research ultimately helps protect public health, Dr. Fauci argued in explaining his support for controversial research.

www.newsweek.com

Unfortunately I think we’re looking at a global group who want global dominance, so the model is corporate rather than national.

No doubt about that, though there are shared interests between the two.

I like to follow the money whenever I can and there's a ton to sift through with billionaires like Buffet (interesting side note, his sell off of bank stocks and reversal on gold), the Gates Foundation and China. Fauci's wife, Christine Grady, is head of Bioethics at the NIH and his youngest daughter, Alison, is a software engineer at Twitter. There's a large, tangled web riddled with conflicts of interest layered on top of each other that include the vaccine companies, CDC and FDA. It's an ugly mess screaming for more attention.



She's done some solid work putting together sourced info, worth taking a look at some of her threads. One about Fauci, the NIAID and the Wuhan lab here which touched on gain-of-function research. Moderna's history/work culture according to a 2016 STAT News story is quite something, too.


On the day to day happenings, activists in the press here are pressuring the provincial government to take masks a step further, questioning why they aren't mandatory outdoors like in other areas of the world. It's the same song and dance used to make indoor mask wearing mandatory last month, repeating questions with total disregard for the answers until the government eventually buckles. I'm no fan of the English voice over, but 49:46 timestamp:




Patrick Bellerose, Journal de Quebec: "We saw many jurisdictions impose mandatory masks outside, globally or partially. I'd like to know whether that is something that is possibly being thought of for Quebec?"
Horacio Arruda: "Possibly, depending on the response that people may have we could perhaps do so."

"Depending on the response that people may have." I'm glad that's how we decide public health measures in states of "emergency." It's all politics.

We only had 46 new cases reported in the last 24 hours and about 1,500 that are still active in a province of about 8.5 million, new cases in the double digits and falling for nearly a week, but yes, let's now make masks mandatory outdoors. If they go that route I'll become a peaceful protester and see if they still think "it's just a mask." Turnabout's fair play.

 

[cryptoadam]

AGE GROUP	NUMBER OF CONFIRMED CASES¹	DISTRIBUTION OF CASES (%)	RATE PER 100,000 PEOPLE	NUMBER OF DEATHS	RATE OF MORTALITY PER 100,000 PEOPLE
0-4 years	402	1.4	366.0	0	-
5-9 years	354	1.2	329.1	0	-
10-19 years	1,234	4.2	620.4	0	-
20-29 years	4,081	13.9	1,253.5	< 5	n.p.
30-39 years	3,889	13.2	1,184.9	< 5	n.p.
40-49 years	4,015	13.7	1,446.4	15	* 5.4
50-59 years	3,602	12.3	1,404.3	67	26.1
60-69 years	2,482	8.4	1,147.3	222	102.6
70-79 years	2,443	8.3	1,690.6	593	410.4
80 years and more	6,886	23.4	6,845.5	2,558	2,543.0
Missing	85	-	-	-	-
Total	29,473	-	1,426.8	3,462	167.6

Reopened May 25th, Mask mandate July 18th.

Only concern is maybe we flatten too much and didn't get any herd. Welp were an island so we can raise the bridges LOL.

 

[JordanN]

Been a while since I've been in this thread, but I had to share this.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

 

[cryptoadam]

 

[cryptoadam]

Louie G took the HCQ and said he got better.

 

[008]

Off topic: I think it's pretty shit places like Target, Lowe's, Walmart, Amazon, etc are booming right now while mom/pop and small business owners are getting screwed and closing down.

The essential/non-essential is killing small business. And that's a damn shame.

 

[cryptoadam]

 

[DeepBreath87]

Case numbers seems to be falling in the US pretty rapidly. We’ve gone from the 7 day average high of nearly 70,000 on July 25 to under 50,000 as of today. Deaths seem to have peaked about 2 weeks ago as well. We will see what happens when schools open. But good news. You can tell it’s getting better because CNN is bitching about Trump’s tweets again.

 

[cryptoadam]

Case numbers seems to be falling in the US pretty rapidly. We’ve gone from the 7 day average high of nearly 70,000 on July 25 to under 50,000 as of today. Deaths seem to have peaked about 2 weeks ago as well. We will see what happens when schools open. But good news. You can tell it’s getting better because CNN is bitching about Trump’s tweets again.

Don't worry gonna burn down a few Wendy's and restart up the riots.

 

[diffusionx]

It's getting to the point where the data on asymptomatic transmission is more solid than the data on masks, just like HCQ.

Off topic: I think it's pretty shit places like Target, Lowe's, Walmart, Amazon, etc are booming right now while mom/pop and small business owners are getting screwed and closing down.

The essential/non-essential is killing small business. And that's a damn shame.

all according to plan.

 

[prag16]

It's getting to the point where the data on asymptomatic transmission is more solid than the data on masks, just like HCQ.

Yep and for this reason I don't see school causing massive issues (and I still wouldn't even if they went back much closer to normal as far as 'mitigation strategy' than what most places are actually going to do.

I still maintain that the impact of masks, while unlikely to be zero, is nowhere remotely CLOSE to the billing of "by far the most crucial" factor. And potential downsides of masks are not well understood and/or not being considered. Maybe schools opening will shine some light on that, as everybody's grungy crotch goblins will be swapping, wiping the bathroom floor, spitting, and who knows whatever else is going to happen to those masks that will go right back on their mouths.

I haven't followed as closely lately, but I'm assuming people have posted the various tweet threads etc showing compelling evidence that this burns itself out somewhere between 15 and 25% seroprevalence, pretty much regardless of whether almost nothing was done, or the most authoritarian measures imaginable. This stuff needs to be on blast 24/7 to shut down the fearmongering morons, especially in my state where we're down in low-ish double digits in new cases most days, 0 deaths most days, in a population of 3.6 million... yet measures are only getting stricter and stricter.


Huge downturn in cases nationwide, and deaths also appear to have peaked. That'll continue to go down as well, trailing the collapse in cases. Time to go back to normal.

 

[Joe T.]

The title alone is likely to turn away the audience that would be best served by it, but came across what I think's a very worthwhile read for the pro-mask crowd. It doesn't get to masks until about the halfway point, though everything offered in the lead up helps lay a strong foundation for the argument:

Face masks make you stupid | Patrick Fagan | The Critic Magazine

In Joost Meerloo’s analysis of false confessions and totalitarian regimes, The Rape of the Mind, he coins a phrase for the ‘dumbing down’ of critical resistance – menticide.

thecritic.co.uk

Not only do face masks make it hard to breathe, but the evidence that they even work to stop the spread of coronavirus is limited at best. A popular brand of mask even carries a warning on its packaging that it “will not provide any protection against COVID-19”; as for preventing carriers from spreading the disease, a meta-analysis found, for example, that of eight randomised control trial studies, six found no difference in transmission rates between control and intervention groups (while one found that a combination of masks and handwashing is more effective than education alone, and the other found that N95 masks are more effective than standard surgical masks; bin-Reza et al., 2012). Non-surgical masks, such as scarfs and cloths, are almost useless (Rengasamy et al., 2010). Masks may even be unhealthy, causing a build-up of bacteria around the face (Zhiqing et al., 2018).

The fact that masks likely don’t even work brings us to the final reason that wearing one inculcates stupidity and compliance: through a bombardment of lies, contradictions, and confusion, the state overwhelms your ability to reason clearly.

All of us browsing through this thread, regardless of where we stand on the issues, already know the emboldened line to be true.

"Follow the science" and "trust the experts"? Well, to quote the CDC: "In community and home settings, the use of facemasks and respirators generally are not recommended. However, for certain circumstances as described in Table 1, a facemask or respirator may be considered, specifically for persons at increased risk of severe illness from influenza." This virus is supposed to be far more contagious, but masks will magically work when they don't with the flu?

There's a reason masks weren't adopted in March/April and it wasn't to protect PPE supplies (clever distraction, though). Health ministers/specialists/"experts" with any shred of credibility still remaining today place more importance on distancing and hand washing than masks, there's a reason for that, too. I've yet to see anyone provide the scientific evidence that backs up the decision to make masks mandatory in public spaces... Yeah, you guessed it, there's a reason for that, too.

 

[BadBurger]

It baffles me people still don't listen to simple science, and we still have no federal response matching that of the numerous nations that have recovered or are well into recovery. Reopening schools - what could possibly go wrong?


Notre Dame moved classes online a week into the fall semester to stop the spread of new outbreak:

Notre Dame and Michigan State Shifting Online as Campus Outbreaks Grow (Published 2020)

After 147 people tested positive for the coronavirus, Notre Dame said it would shift to remote instruction for at least two weeks. Michigan State told undergraduates not to come to campus.

www.nytimes.com

After four COVID-19 outbreaks in one week, UNC Chapel Hill reverts to online-only classes:

After four COVID-19 outbreaks in one week, UNC Chapel Hill reverts to online-only classes - The Boston Globe

North Carolina’s flagship university canceled in-person classes for undergraduates just a week into the fall semester Monday as college campuses around the US scramble to deal with coronavirus clusters linked in some cases to student housing, off-campus parties and packed bars.

www.bostonglobe.com

3rd Cherokee County school closes due to new COVID-19 cases:

3rd Cherokee County school closes due to new COVID-19 cases

CANTON, Ga. (CBS46) -- A third Cherokee County school has temporarily closed due to newly reported cases of COVID-19.

www.cbs46.com

Also from Cherokee County, Georgia - More than 2,000 students, teachers and staff quarantined after outbreak following school reopenings:

More than 2,000 students, teachers and staff quarantined in several schools | CNN

For many US schools welcoming students back, a return to in-person learning was abruptly halted after new Covid-19 cases.

www.cnn.com

Wow, usually one has to go out of their way to find antiscience, COVID deniers, and anti-maskers. /r/conspiracy/ on Reddit, Infowars, maybe the comments section in a Ben Shapiro video.

 

[Joe T.]

It baffles me <snip>

I know. It wouldn't if you had the science and data on your side.

 

[cryptoadam]

Meh every country has an outbreak at schools its not something unique to the US. Eventually u will get it right. How many of those were even symptomatic?

 

[BadBurger]

Meh every country has an outbreak at schools its not something unique to the US. Eventually u will get it right. How many of those were even symptomatic?

Does it matter when asymptomatic people spread the virus?

Pandemic now driven by 20s, 30s, 40s group, many asymptomatic: WHO

The World Health Organization said on Tuesday it was concerned that the novel coronavirus spread was being driven by people in their 20s, 30s and 40s, many of which were unaware they were infected, posing a danger to vulnerable groups.

www.hindustantimes.com

WHO Blasts 'Vaccine Nationalism' in Last-Ditch Push Against Hoarding

Nations that hoard possible COVID-19 vaccines while excluding others will deepen the pandemic, World Health Organization (WHO) chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Tuesday, issuing a last-ditch call for countries to join a global vaccine pact.

www.nytimes.com

Beyond that, which country has had the kinds of school outbreaks we have had? Having to close back down again within days and quarantine thousands? Honestly curious.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Does it matter when asymptomatic people spread the virus?

Pandemic now driven by 20s, 30s, 40s group, many asymptomatic: WHO

The World Health Organization said on Tuesday it was concerned that the novel coronavirus spread was being driven by people in their 20s, 30s and 40s, many of which were unaware they were infected, posing a danger to vulnerable groups.

www.hindustantimes.com

WHO Blasts 'Vaccine Nationalism' in Last-Ditch Push Against Hoarding

Nations that hoard possible COVID-19 vaccines while excluding others will deepen the pandemic, World Health Organization (WHO) chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Tuesday, issuing a last-ditch call for countries to join a global vaccine pact.

www.nytimes.com

Beyond that, which country has had the kinds of school outbreaks we have had? Having to close back down again within days and quarantine thousands? Honestly curious.

 

[BadBurger]

One study ending March 6th? We've known asymptomatic people are spreaders since, I'll continue to trust the CDC and WHO who pull daily data from numerous sources and real-life, observable data. That study was out of date within a week.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

One study ending March 6th? We've known asymptomatic people are spreaders since, I'll continue to trust the CDC and WHO who pull daily data from numerous sources and real-life, observable data. That study was out of date within a week.

You didn't cite any actual data. You cited authoritarian talking points without data to back it up. WHO even came out and said there's little risk of asymptomatic spread back in June, they just modified it because of the blowback they received, kinda like how they did an about face on masks, person-to-person trasmission and so many other things, why trust an organization that's been consistently wrong and has changed its story so many times? You want to trust the CDC, though? Okay, that's interesting considering all the studies they've cited on mask science says masks don't do squat, so you must be an anti-mask person?

 

[BadBurger]

You didn't cite any actual data.rson?

Well I don't have to. The CDC and WHO does it for me. They have great websites one can use to model all kinds of data. We've also observed outbreaks amongst gatherings of asymptomatic people. We see it almost weekly at this point.

The aforementioned school openings. The various parties in the news that led to outbreaks. The churches that tried to hold services with asymptomatic people that led to outbreaks. Sports trying to reopen and numerous asymptomatic athletes spreading it. Etc, etc, etc.

It's like some of you don't read the news. Even late night talk show hosts have been discussing these events for months.

Edit: oh, and can you provide a single link to the CDC advising that masks are ineffective? A single link to an article on their site?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Well I don't have to. The CDC and WHO does it for me. They have great websites one can use to model all kinds of data. We've also observed outbreaks amongst gatherings of asymptomatic people. We see it almost weekly at this point.

The aforementioned school openings. The various parties in the news that led to outbreaks. The churches that tried to hold services with asymptomatic people that led to outbreaks. Sports trying to reopen and numerous asymptomatic athletes spreading it. Etc, etc, etc.

It's like some of you don't read the news. Even late night talk show hosts have been discussing these events for months.

You're saying they can track the source of specific outbreaks and have done so? Can you link me to any? Can you link me a single source that shows asymptomatic people definitively started an outbreak? Also what does outbreak mean here? How many people testing positive after a big event actually tested negative prior to it? How much of this is just because of more testing being done and there's no actual identifiable source for where they got it or when? These are questions I'd like answers to and I certainly wouldn't trust people who have been so wrong so many times, I even forgot their living on surfaces BS! Hah! Tell me something, since we're having such big outbreaks why aren't hospitalizations and deaths up?

 

[BadBurger]

You're saying they can track the source of specific outbreaks and have done so? Can you link me to any? Can you link me a single source that shows asymptomatic people definitively started an outbreak? Also what does outbreak mean here? How many people testing positive after a big event actually tested negative prior to it? How much of this is just because of more testing being done and there's no actual identifiable source for where they got it or when? These are questions I'd like answers to and I certainly wouldn't trust people who have been so wrong so many times, I even forgot their living on surfaces BS! Hah! Tell me something, since we're having such big outbreaks why aren't hospitalizations and deaths up?

Check my edit. I have a feeling you fell for a bogus hoax that was circulated throughout far-right social media.

Edit: also I am working on a late-night go-live for work right now, distracted. Just wanted to add we in the US are continuously seeing new cases and deaths. I am not sure where you're getting your info. Here is the CDC's latest:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.

www.cdc.gov

Compared to yesterday: 39,318 New Cases, 1,172 New Deaths

Did you really think it was magically going away?

Anyway I have to get back to work.

 

[ManaByte]

School Reopenings Linked to Union Influence and Politics, Not Safety

School closures have affected over 55 million K–12 students in the U.S. since March as the nation deals with the coronavirus pandemic. Although numerous

reason.com

 

[DeepBreath87]

We will see what happens. Some schools are going to be open. Then we will know. We can all talk shit, but the proof will be in the pudding. Some kids will definitely test positive. We will have to see whether that actually becomes a problem or not.

Kids themselves don’t get that sick, statistically speaking. It’s very comparable to the flu in children. There is a question about how much they spread the disease to adults who may be more vulnerable.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Edit: oh, and can you provide a single link to the CDC advising that masks are ineffective? A single link to an article on their site?

Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures

Pandemic Influenza—Personal Protective Measures

wwwnc.cdc.gov

This is of course ignoring that even for COVID specifically they weren't advising wearing masks for... the first 3-4 months of 2020?

Check my edit. I have a feeling you fell for a bogus hoax that was circulated throughout far-right social media.

Edit: also I am working on a late-night go-live for work right now, distracted. Just wanted to add we in the US are continuously seeing new cases and deaths. I am not sure where you're getting your info. Here is the CDC's latest:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.

www.cdc.gov

Compared to yesterday: 39,318 New Cases, 1,172 New Deaths

Did you really think it was magically going away?

Anyway I have to get back to work.

New asymptomatic cases interest no one, it's also down. In the USA anyone dying of COVID-19 is counted as a COVID death, multiple sources have already confirmed this, yet we're still down on deaths. If there are outbreaks show me higher hospitalization rates, show me higher death rates.

Do you realize even by CDC's numbers that's a 0.03% death rate which is influenza levels? on 8/14 they confirmed over 400k new cases so in 4 days we're down to 39,000 in a day? That's a dramatic decrease.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

Is-Is the virus fizzling out?

 

[DeepBreath87]

Is-Is the virus fizzling out?

It’s definitely getting better. That’s why you don’t see articles about hospitals maxing out capacity anymore. If the current trajectory holds, we will be back where we were in June in a few weeks.

 

[frostyxc]

School Reopenings Linked to Union Influence and Politics, Not Safety

School closures have affected over 55 million K–12 students in the U.S. since March as the nation deals with the coronavirus pandemic. Although numerous

reason.com

Can we dissolve teacher's unions, already? Think about the savings! Anyway, I'm all for firing all low/medium risk teachers that refuse to go back to work -- like Reagan did to the air traffic controllers way back when -- but I'm guessing that's not doable since they're not federal employees. It's nice to dream, though.

 

[bigsnack]

Is-Is the virus fizzling out?

Based on where I live, yes. Cases are down, positivity rate is down, deaths are way down. People here are agreeing to the required rules but are no longer doing anything beyond that. Outdoor seating at restaurants is open and packed every day at lunch, etc. as mentioned, there’s some promising data showing that the potency of the virus maxes out when the population shows 15-20% antibody expression.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

School Reopenings Linked to Union Influence and Politics, Not Safety

School closures have affected over 55 million K–12 students in the U.S. since March as the nation deals with the coronavirus pandemic. Although numerous

reason.com

I suspected this, but it's good (and infuriating) to see it confirmed.

 

[carlosrox]

The Stadia of world-ending pandemics.



Whatever happened to this? Now it's in vogue to wear masks! I thought I might kill somebody's grandma if I don't wear a mask??