Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Misguided said:
So I have not played Mass Effect 3, nor will I for a while, so I don't really care about spoilers too much. However, I have a question...

Apparently this ending is really fucking bad. Can anyone give me a recap as to what happens, why it's terrible, and why it's worth donating $25000 to get changed?
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Youtube it?
 
Misguided said:
So I have not played Mass Effect 3, nor will I for a while, so I don't really care about spoilers too much. However, I have a question...

Apparently this ending is really fucking bad. Can anyone give me a recap as to what happens, why it's terrible, and why it's worth donating $25000 to get changed?
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Basically, your choices throughout the series don't really matter. You get three arbitrary choices, all of which lead to the same ending movie with a different coloured explosion. Whatever you do, society as we know it is basically destroyed. Also, the motivation of the enemies is explained in under ten minutes by an unexplained god-like entity that takes the form of a random child who dies early on in the game.
 
Dresden said:
Imagine that Frodo got rid of the ring and is now lying there with Sam when a giant eagle picks him up and carries him into magic elf land where he is told by a tiny midget elf that he was the master behind Sauron and now Frodo has to make a choice between killing all the orcs and other such magical beings which would include elves, controlling them and becoming the new lord of dark shit or making everyone half-orc-elf-human-hobbit-dwarfs. Then you see a cutscene where green clouds explode from Mordor and there's a clip of everyone growing elf-ears.
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Haha. Perfect.
 
Dresden said:
Imagine that Frodo got rid of the ring and is now lying there with Sam when a giant eagle picks him up and carries him into magic elf land where he is told by a tiny midget elf that he was the master behind Sauron and now Frodo has to make a choice between killing all the orcs and other such magical beings which would include elves, controlling them and becoming the new lord of dark shit or making everyone half-orc-elf-human-hobbit-dwarfs. Then you see a cutscene where green clouds explode from Mordor and there's a clip of everyone growing elf-ears.
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Holy ballz this is like 50 times better than mine KUDOS! Honestly thats pretty close to perfect man.
 
Dresden said:
Imagine that Frodo got rid of the ring and is now lying there with Sam when a giant eagle picks him up and carries him into magic elf land where he is told by a tiny midget elf that he was the master behind Sauron and now Frodo has to make a choice between killing all the orcs and other such magical beings which would include elves, controlling them and becoming the new lord of dark shit or making everyone half-orc-elf-human-hobbit-dwarfs. Then you see a cutscene where green clouds explode from Mordor and there's a clip of everyone growing elf-ears.
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LOL, bravo
 
Ventrue said:
Basically, your choices throughout the series don't really matter. You get three arbitrary choices, all of which lead to the same ending movie with a different coloured explosion. Whatever you do, society as we know it is basically destroyed. Also, the motivation of the enemies is explained in under ten minutes by an unexplained god-like entity that takes the form of a random child who dies early on in the game.
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lol, i'm speechless XD
 
Dresden said:
I hope Bioware releases those player stats soon. I want to see what percentage of players played a soldier on action mode.
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When I was in line to pick up the game a lot of people were hating on the other classes. The underlying complaint being MOAR GUNZ. While I don't know how many people will have played on action mode I bet the over whelming majority will still play as a soldier, which is too bad since they are terrible.


Dresden said:
Imagine that Frodo got rid of the ring and is now lying there with Sam when a giant eagle picks him up and carries him into magic elf land where he is told by a tiny midget elf that he was the master behind Sauron and now Frodo has to make a choice between killing all the orcs and other such magical beings which would include elves, controlling them and becoming the new lord of dark shit or making everyone half-orc-elf-human-hobbit-dwarfs. Then you see a cutscene where green clouds explode from Mordor and there's a clip of everyone growing elf-ears.
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Best description of the ending ever.
 
Still haven't seen my version of Kei Leng's death. Because Thane and the Salarian from ME1 were dead, the ambassador dies, but Miranda survived. So, my Shepard says something like "this time, you don't have your damn gun ship" If I remember, I'll record it and youtube it.


Almost sounds like it's "hard" to actually have Kei Leng kill the abassador. Because he did, when I got upstairs to confront udina, he pulled out a doctored video, that made shepard look like I had shot the ambassador.
 
When the ship opens in the jungle, are the people who come out random?

When I did Synergy it was Joker and EDi, then as the camera was pulling back Javik was walking out.

When I did Destroy it was Joker and Javik, then as the camera was pulling back Liara came out.

In another Destroy video I've seen Joker and Garrus, no one comes out.

Dresden said:
I think they're all the same asides from different colors of explosions.
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Synergy: Shep runs into the light and becomes data, crumbles. Reapers go all green (not sure if they were destroyed, can't remember). Ship crash lands and Joker all green-indocrinated comes out of the ship.

Destroy: Shep blows up the machine and we get red light. Reapers explode, people cheer. Crash landing, no indocrination. Then in my ending I got the Shep lives thing.

I'm okay with the Destroy ending I got.
 
Dresden said:
Imagine that Frodo got rid of the ring and is now lying there with Sam when a giant eagle picks him up and carries him into magic elf land where he is told by a tiny midget elf that he was the master behind Sauron and now Frodo has to make a choice between killing all the orcs and other such magical beings which would include elves, controlling them and becoming the new lord of dark shit or making everyone half-orc-elf-human-hobbit-dwarfs. Then you see a cutscene where green clouds explode from Mordor and there's a clip of everyone growing elf-ears.
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That's.... fucking it exactly. Bravo.
 
Zomba13 said:
Kai Leng just seemed really stupid. Like, the idea of a Cerberus super agent was kinda cool but Leng was like, trying too hard to look cool and badass. It's especially funny with how easy he was to beat and how Shep beats him.


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Lmao. And just recently I met Casey at Starbucks... he said he liked my shirt, I don't believe him anymore. I'm going to burn it...

Also I had him sign all my games. Burn those too!
 
Dresden said:
Imagine that Frodo got rid of the ring and is now lying there with Sam when a giant eagle picks him up and carries him into magic elf land where he is told by a tiny midget elf that he was the master behind Sauron and now Frodo has to make a choice between killing all the orcs and other such magical beings which would include elves, controlling them and becoming the new lord of dark shit or making everyone half-orc-elf-human-hobbit-dwarfs. Then you see a cutscene where green clouds explode from Mordor and there's a clip of everyone growing elf-ears.
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10/10
 
bengraven said:
When the ship opens in the jungle, are the people who come out random?

When I did Synergy it was Joker and EDi, then as the camera was pulling back Javik was walking out.

When I did Destroy it was Joker and Javik, then as the camera was pulling back Liara came out.

In another Destroy video I've seen Joker and Garrus, no one comes out.
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It's Joker and EDI and someone else, unless you pick destroy in which case someone else replaces EDI.
 
Dresden said:
I had no idea what Thane was thinking, running to cereal ninja like that. He had a gun. Duder had a knife.
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He does take a few shots at him from a distance. I'd have to imagine kinect shields would be the reason why you'd get so close to execute someone. That was a big deal in the novels and such, but the games sometimes likes to forget about them in cutscenes.

Also given that Kai Leng is simply muscle and not a full villain, I don't see anything wrong with him. I wonder if the fact I've read Retribution (and not Deception) makes me more inclined to like him.
 
Where as, I knew nothing about Kei Leng's infamous past. He sent me taunting emails about killing the ambassador, then stole the VI away from me (fucking the universe over..well, at least the citadel and all it's citizens), and taunted me about that too. And fuck his gun ship.


Was enough for me to hate him and take pleasure in gutting him with an imaginary orange sword.
 
Jacob was a more interesting character when he seemed to be pissed off about stuff. He got screwed over compared to Miranda. Made him a dull old man basically.

Lonestar said:
Where as, I knew nothing about Kei Leng's infamous past. He sent me taunting emails about killing the ambassador, then stole the VI away from me (fucking the universe over..well, at least the citadel and all it's citizens), and taunted me about that too. And fuck his gun ship.


Was enough for me to hate him and take pleasure in gutting him with an imaginary orange sword.
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Sounds like a success. I loved it when he trolled me via email.

In a better world where Cerberus or the whole of Cerberus doesn't default to be villains, he is a renegade squad mate and you can talk to him about the time he pissed in a vase.

EDIT: People seem to think his design appeals to "anime/JRPG fans" or w/e. But to me is basically Evil Nightwing, a comicbook hero.
 
bengraven said:
Destroy: Shep blows up the machine and we get red light. Reapers explode, people cheer. Crash landing, no indocrination. Then in my ending I got the Shep lives thing.

I'm okay with the Destroy ending I got.
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That'd be my ending too. Sorry Geths, but without Legion, you guys are nothing but a bunch of toasters to me. EDI, I will miss her but I hope we can somehow rebuild her again.
 
The way the fans are reacting, the way some of the press is picking up on this, and the entire consensus on the whole thing pretty much forces Bioware to alter the ending, if they want to retain their brand loyalty.

Although a counter argument would be George Lucas.
 
Replicant said:
That'd be my ending too. Sorry Geths, but without Legion, you guys are nothing but a bunch of toasters to me. EDI, I will miss her but I hope we can somehow rebuild her again.
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Oh shit, that just dawned on me: we also destroyed the geth and I definitely destroyed EDI.

Oh well, shit happens. Don't be upset Joker...it's better to have loved and lost...besides in this future I'm sure there's some hologram anime girl sex thing coming out of Japan...
 
I really think making a thread about the Child's Play donations will help visibility. Is there a reason one hasn't been made yet?
 
Tajin said:
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Oh Bioware.

At least Tali turned out to be good looking.
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I mean... I guess... but tali seemed more petite than that woman. I don't think she'd fit in Tali's suit to be honest. I know it's weird that I focus on that but... Tali has really narrow shoulders. this woman doesn't really seem to.
 
bengraven said:
Oh shit, that just dawned on me: we also destroyed the geth and I definitely destroyed EDI.

Oh well, shit happens. Don't be upset Joker...it's better to have loved and lost...besides in this future I'm sure there's some hologram anime girl sex thing coming out of Japan...
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I keep thinking back to the bombshell about the PTSD Asari in the hospital. So, I figure, Joker's got other things to cry about. REAL STUFF TO CRY ABOUT.
 
Required reading:

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

Mass Effect 3 Ending-Hatred: 5 Reasons The Fans Are Right

5) Brevity

"Instead, they see one of 3 identical, context free scenes of the Normandy crash landing on a planet somewhere, followed by a nonsensical epilogue featuring a Grandfather and his grandson that almost seems to smugly imply that the gamers themselves were nothing but children who couldn’t fully understand these events. And adding insult to injury, they receive a message urging them to purchase DLC."

4) It is Confusing and Under-Developed

"This explanation for the entire history of the Mass Effect universe is the most precise example of all that is wrong with the end of Mass Effect 3. In essence, the player is told that everything they experienced has happened because it was going to happen, and will happen again. Making things worse, the player isn’t even provided with enough data or context for this to at least make some kind of sense. Instead, they’re simply baffled by events they cannot control, and left with far more questions than any “definitive” ending should have."

3) Lore Errors, Plot Holes
-Mass Relays blowing up
-Inferred Holocaust
-Normandy Escape

2) Key Philosophical Themes Are Discarded
- Tolerance & Unity
- Synthetics vs. Organics
- Free will

1) Player Choice Is Completely Discarded
"In short, players are provided with nothing remotely close to the unique, personal experience they were promised."

Conclusion:
"The fans don’t want to scrap the bleakness for some kind of enforced happy ending. They don’t want to replace one linear experience with another. What they want is the chance to experience the game BioWare explicitly advertised and for which they payed a substantial sum of money. They want to see how their unique experience plays out to the very end, and if they choose, to start over and make a completely different set of decisions just to see what happens that time. Ultimately, it’s BioWare’s call, but it couldn’t hurt for them to very carefully listen to what that community is saying, and seriously consider working on some calibrations."
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His arguments are pretty much spot-on.

rozay said:
I forgot to listen to her whole story, does anyone know what happened?
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It's Joker's sister the PTSD Asari is talking about.
 
Lime said:
The way the fans are reacting, the way some of the press is picking up on this, and the entire consensus on the whole thing pretty much forces Bioware to alter the ending, if they want to retain their brand loyalty.

Although a counter argument would be George Lucas.
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I'm still willing to give them another chance with conditions if they never do anything about the ending. If they at least admit they messed up and show genuinely good product with DA3 I could accept this as they company as a whole had way too much on its plate at one time what with an MMO, ME3, and I'm sure w/e next gen stuff they are prepping for. Its not fair to condemn the company because they let a writer do a bad ending. That would be like condemning the entirety of ME3 for its ending which I don't think the majority wouldn't do.

I started flipping though the emails you get from the iOS app reminded me how great Javik was/is. Its disappointing that he was DLC and not everybody will play with him and its probably the last time he will show up in anything.
 
Lime said:
It's Joker's sister the PTSD Asari is talking about.
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oh wow really? I'll listen to her next playthrough...after I hear what bioware's stance on the ending is. It's basically killed any interest in replaying the game for the moment :/
 
rozay said:
oh wow really? I'll listen to her next playthrough...after I hear what bioware's stance on the ending is. It's basically killed any interest in replaying the game for the moment :/
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Just pretend the Indoctrination theory is real and look for clues everywhere.
 
Dresden said:
Just pretend the Indoctrination theory is real and look for clues everywhere.
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I don't believe it's true.

This is also coming from someone who beat ME2 six times. I haven't even redeemed my online/collector's pass or from ashes, as I was planning to do both for my second playthrough lol
 
Just beat the game, and yea the ending is pretty terrible. They should've just ended it with Shep and Anderson sitting there as opposed to all the space magic.

I'm sure its been asked 100 times but is considered the "best" outcome? Destroy all synthetics with high enough EMS or whatever?
 
Sir Garbageman said:
Just beat the game, and yea the ending is pretty terrible. They should've just ended it with Shep and Anderson sitting there as opposed to all the space magic.

I'm sure its been asked 100 times but is considered the "best" outcome? Destroy all synthetics with high enough EMS or whatever?
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I think the "best" is supposed to be the destroy route, where you see shepard take a breath.
 
Sir Garbageman said:
Just beat the game, and yea the ending is pretty terrible. They should've just ended it with Shep and Anderson sitting there as opposed to all the space magic.

I'm sure its been asked 100 times but is considered the "best" outcome? Destroy all synthetics with high enough EMS or whatever?
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I guess since Shepard lives after that one that's the one they consider the best, yeah.

Which is pretty shitty.

Hey guys, there's an ending where Shepard lives! Oh, and you kill the Geth. That happens, too.
 
so now the "media" is waking up and reporting that the ending may be a problem? why wasn't it mentioned before hand? wouldn't be surprised if some of the sites are in the pockets of EA lol
 
Sir Garbageman said:
Just beat the game, and yea the ending is pretty terrible. They should've just ended it with Shep and Anderson sitting there as opposed to all the space magic.

I'm sure its been asked 100 times but is considered the "best" outcome? Destroy all synthetics with high enough EMS or whatever?
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No One Knows which is the best ending!

I mean, Control at least, Shepard dies, while (in my mind) telling the Reapers to go launch themselves back to the Void for all eternity. Doesn't destroy the tech/Geth/Edi, doesn't DNA rape the universe.

But Destroy has the possibility of Shepard "living" but for how long?

But since all 3 end up with no more mass relays (and the question of "does this kill dozens of solar systems, including Sol"), and The Normandy and unknown crew members, stuck on a planet somewhere.

So...INDOCTRINATIONATION
 
Lime said:
Has there been any news on the sales of ME3 yet?
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I remember reading it sold over 800K copies in NA. I can't find a source though.

mercenar1e said:
so now the "media" is waking up and reporting that the ending may be a problem? why wasn't it mentioned before hand? wouldn't be surprised if some of the sites are in the pockets of EA
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They've been in the pockets since DA2.


I wish there were a timeline to see the fall of its Metacritic score.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/dragon-age-ii

It seems ME3's user score is at a 4.9 now. That's such a shame because the game is a solid A or A-.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-3
 
hateradio said:
I remember reading it sold over 800K copies in NA. I can't find a source though.


They've been in the pockets since DA2.


I wish there were a timeline to see the fall of its Metacritic score.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/dragon-age-ii

It seems ME3's user score is at a 4.9 now. That's such a shame because the game is a solid A or A-.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-3
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it was at 2.0 1-2 days after release.. somehow metacritic was notified and some of the reviews taken down
 
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