Zomba13
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Pretty much everyone because it is a bad ending?
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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Pretty much everyone because it is a bad ending?
firehawk12
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Guys, I think a see a texture from Baldur's Gate in there. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
Yes because it is reaper tech. You dont see anyone else running around in ME with robot eyes unless they are indoctrinated.
BHAALSPAWNS
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Nobody notices him because BioWare's writers felt simply putting him there would tug on your heart strings because a poor wee little child is caught up in all this horror oh the humanity won't somebody think of the children.
Straight sex? GTFO Duck. :|
Toril must be somewhere in the Mass Effect universe.
EmCeeGramr
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Shepard got robot eyes in ME2. Because they put robot eyes in Shepard. Because Shepard hit a planet with his/her face.
Shepard was not indoctrinated in ME2.
The final area in ToB is that weird space temple...
So, it is like Star Wars after all.
ShockingAlberto
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I think, if they do add on to the ME3 ending, the indoctrination thing is going to be what they go with.
I'll say now that I am 100% positive they didn't plan it, though it probably occurred to someone along the way as a possible out in case they wanted to add more, but much of how ME3 was written was taken from fan theories and lines that were repeated on the internet, so I'm sure they're going to use it now.
I'll say now that I am 100% positive they didn't plan it, though it probably occurred to someone along the way as a possible out in case they wanted to add more, but much of how ME3 was written was taken from fan theories and lines that were repeated on the internet, so I'm sure they're going to use it now.
ElectricBlue187
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LOL
It's funny that Shepard would be fighting against the reapers while he's indoctrinated, killing like 3 or 4 of them, I don't see many husks doing cray shit like that
I can't believe anyone has to refute that.
Though it's nothing new. I remember talk about the eyes back when ME2 renegade shep had the red eyes.
Now I understand the hyperbole. BioWare did retroactively ruin the rest of the series . . . by creating indoctrination theorists.
Zomba13
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TIM fought against them. Well, not actually fight but tried to control them. He wasn't convinced they were space gods and would help us ascent to the next step of evolution.
Vire
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Interesting way of looking at the three choices:
Control - The Illusive Man - Desires to keep the Collector's Base intact to study it and the Human Reaper. The Human Reaper can be found in the Cerebrus Base. Reaper tech is used to create implants and indoctrinate soldiers into pseudo-husks.
Destruction - Anderson - Advocates the threat of the Reapers and their needed destruction since the events of Mass Effect 1. Always believed in Shepard.
Synthesis - Saren - Was led to believe by Sovereign that only submission to the Reapers would prevent trillions of lives being destroyed when the Reaper fleet arrived. Believed he was doing the right thing for the good of the galaxy.
Control - The Illusive Man - Desires to keep the Collector's Base intact to study it and the Human Reaper. The Human Reaper can be found in the Cerebrus Base. Reaper tech is used to create implants and indoctrinate soldiers into pseudo-husks.
Destruction - Anderson - Advocates the threat of the Reapers and their needed destruction since the events of Mass Effect 1. Always believed in Shepard.
Synthesis - Saren - Was led to believe by Sovereign that only submission to the Reapers would prevent trillions of lives being destroyed when the Reaper fleet arrived. Believed he was doing the right thing for the good of the galaxy.
Kaidan or Ashley, asking the hard questions no one in ME2 ever bothered asking.
Also I know this sounds weird but I thought Ashley looked better after she got beaten up.
Im not sayng he was, just that reaper tech was used to bring him back. Its of signifigance because robot eyes are not standard fare in the ME universe. Infact nobody else has them. So saying he has robot eyes because he is..............why am I even writing this?
ElectricBlue187
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You saved Boring Kaiden over Hot Space Racist?
Indoctrination is such a confusing and annoyingly artificial way of just describing basic hallucination. I can't imagine why they would opt for that versus the guy/gal passed out from injury/exhaustion and dreamed the ending of the game.
That's not preferable to the other theory? Why?
That's not preferable to the other theory? Why?
ElectricBlue187
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Maybe you were indoctrinated
Indoctrination is cooler!
Bitch wanted to kill my Husbandu. Fuck her. Krogan for life. <3
Vire
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Because it's not hallucination?
Indoctrination is basically mind control, or strongly influencing the person mentally and metaphysically.
I think you are missing the whole point.
I killed her too. When she started to act like a racist and talk about god I knew we would never get along. Seems like I didn't miss much as she looks like a gorilla in 3.
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lastplayed
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You should really watch his interaction with Shepard, so good
Last Hearth
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Because indoctrination makes the final confrontation with the Catalyst meaningful, it's still a struggle, with an outcome that affecting the galaxy riding on it. So the choice in it is important. A hallucination is meaningless, whatever Shepard decides is irrelevant.
How could I resist the guy whose vocabulary is 95% "Special" and "Shepard"?
Because indoctrination fits in with the established storyline? The story starts with you fighting an indoctrinated Saren so it *works* to have Shepard going through the same process.
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Zomba13
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I love RoboShep.
Robo shep scares me.
Also, if you got the medical thing in ME2 doesn't it remove the robo bits? I play a Paragon so I dunno if you kept the glowy eyes etc if you use that option. I used it and I think I still got glowy eyes in the end while during the game had fully normal looking eyes.
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BTW in case anyone didn't get it I'm 95% positive those pics with Shepard having TIM eyes in ME2 is editted on the PC.
Real Shep in ME2 has normal eyes until you go renegade, then the red starts to filter through the cornea.'
edit: Hmm, I could be remembering incorrectly. Roboshep above has the same pattern as TIM's. Time to go boots up ME2.
Real Shep in ME2 has normal eyes until you go renegade, then the red starts to filter through the cornea.'
edit: Hmm, I could be remembering incorrectly. Roboshep above has the same pattern as TIM's. Time to go boots up ME2.
Win win. They get attention and money for Child's Play.
dragonelite
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I think indoctrination is like Mass effect Omelet du fromache on every question ;p.
That explanation is going to be a lot harder to write out of and has a real series of problems with it (as the thread ha rehearsed many times). And I don't feel that it is at all consistent with what actually happens in that part of the game. In terms of choice, the reapers' unclear motives make it sort of confusing to me why they would allow what was offered to be offered.
Point is to sell dlc!
Could be a bit of both really. The entire ending can be seen as a mental struggle between Sheps subconscious and the Reapers, with two of the three "choices" resulting in Shepard giving in to the Reapers and allowing true indoctrination to occur with then the last, destruction resulting in a triumph of the will and freeing him/herself from Reaper control.
In both Merge and Control Shepard clearly becomes Huskified prior to disappearing, where as in Destroy s/he can actually survive in the end and never turns.
The pieces are there, but I am extremely skeptical this is what it all means and why it all plays out that way. We shall see soon enough hopefully.
ElectricBlue187
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You avatar has robotic eyes. You're indoctrinated.
Even ElectricBlue187's avatar's eyes are blue.
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Honestly, the eyes just prove that Shep had a lot of implants, not that he was indoctrinated.
Look. Here's a screen of EDI's eyes. She's a robot. Is she indoctrinated, too?
EDI is a synthetic so she's an indoctrinator (see robot joker) not the indoctrinated
Zomba13
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Yeah, the guy posted as much on the next page.
Infinite Justice
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i see what you did there..
EDI and her body are made from reaper tech. I'm not saying anything else beyond that, just pointing it out.
lastplayed
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Indoctrinated
Freeza Under The Shower
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Just a minor question about relative changes:
if you save the collector base, what differences are there when you encounter the human reaper?
It was really wierd running into that thing, in particular when getting the damn IFF and oh yeah the whole 'one does not simply go trough the Omega relay' was like, the only plot point ME2 had.
...and the IFF is on the Normandy. On earth. With the Alliance. Where cerberus couldn't get to it without alerting EDI. yeah.
well, at least they "dealt" with ME2 huh? By completely ignoring it, aside from character reunion.
The "piles of bodies nobody notices" are kind of disturbing though. Why would I have to see that shit when it's just casually throw into the dialogue? Why that, but not, oh I don't know, far more crucial plot elements like Anderson?
Also: those piles come directly from ME2. Same texture, same everything. Much like the 2d pigeons in the citadel.
if you save the collector base, what differences are there when you encounter the human reaper?
It was really wierd running into that thing, in particular when getting the damn IFF and oh yeah the whole 'one does not simply go trough the Omega relay' was like, the only plot point ME2 had.
...and the IFF is on the Normandy. On earth. With the Alliance. Where cerberus couldn't get to it without alerting EDI. yeah.
well, at least they "dealt" with ME2 huh? By completely ignoring it, aside from character reunion.
The "piles of bodies nobody notices" are kind of disturbing though. Why would I have to see that shit when it's just casually throw into the dialogue? Why that, but not, oh I don't know, far more crucial plot elements like Anderson?
Also: those piles come directly from ME2. Same texture, same everything. Much like the 2d pigeons in the citadel.
Ok so they were red but they turn blue if you succum to the indoctrination, thats the signifigance not that his face is burning off so now you can see his robot eyes. You can still see whatever reaper tech they use to rebuild him is still red underneath so his eyes actually have changed color. But I suppose that would happen anyway if he was turning into a reaper and it was space magic. Do you wan't it to be space magic?
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