He's not rating the rest of the game, he's rating the game.
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He's not rating the rest of the game, he's rating the game.
The ending makes me feel the game is much worse, even though I totally loved it in retrospect.
It's a reasonable review.
The score isn't honest at all.A bad ending doesn't justify a 5 out of 10.
Right.
Why not? He goes to great lengths to make an assertion and then justify with evidence why he feels that way. He looks critically at the game and considers it a failed piece of art, which should tell you how seriously he's taken the medium and the series. This is not some slapdash review cobbled together for hits.
He's not rating an ending. He is rating the totality of the experience. You need to do better than this if you're calling his review dishonest.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Here's how I would do my scores
3pts for gameplay
3pts for graphics
4pts for story
If multiplayer is invoked then
5pts for miltiplayer
3pts for gameplay
3pts for graphics
4pts for story
If multiplayer is invoked then
5pts for miltiplayer
gameplay should be above everything else.
Haunted
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That's why everyone needs to stop giving a shit about scores and read/discuss the actual review text instead.
I'm not calling the review dishonest, just the score.The ending is a tiny part of the whole game, it's not bad to the point of making the rest of the game bad.
The score is negative, even if the review might be positive.
Rebel Leader
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I like my stories but you see my point right?
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Deleted member 81567
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Funny how Gears had a better trilogy closure.
I don't understand how gameplay is weighted less than story in a video game.
Robot Pants
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Ah Gears and Mass Effect.
Two of my favorite franchises born and killed in the same generation.
And all either had to do was stay true to what they established in the first game, and not take themselves so seriously in the final two.
Two of my favorite franchises born and killed in the same generation.
And all either had to do was stay true to what they established in the first game, and not take themselves so seriously in the final two.
Jake Tower
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I'd give it a C. If the endgame was satisfying, make it a B-.
For the record, I'd put ME1 at B+ and ME2 at B.
And I loved those games.
That depends entirely on why a person is playing a game, certainly in the case of Mass Effect story is far more significant to most players than it is in, say, Call of Duty. I can only speak for myself, but for me, story/characters/setting are more important when it comes to Mass Effect than gameplay. Of course given that conversations are a major gameplay component in Mass Effect, it's hard to distinguish between the two, but you know where I'm coming from.
As how it should be done. That's why I like Spill's reviews. Their score is not a number but rather a suggestion.
That totally depends on who is playing and on the genre of the game.
I have been trying to think of a game that had a less satisfying ending than ME3, but I have been drawing a blank. Even almost two weeks later, I still am scratching my head as to what the hell anyone at Bioware was thinking.
That's your opinion. I think the shooting in the ME series finally reached "competent" levels with ME3 but it's still pretty clunky. I sure as hell didn't get into this series for the gameplay.
Insofar as they still do reviews (video reviews at least), they don't really stick to their own scoring system. I mean, they've essentially created a rather complex points scale anyway with all the high rentals and low full prices and what not.
Jake Tower
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Right, the entertainment is going to be synthesized* from gameplay, story, etc in a RPG like Mass Effect. Strength in one can prop up shortcomings in other areas. For me, ME1 and 2 pulled this off much better than 3, which has more issues in all its constituent parts.
*heh
I can see how some people would prefer that, but I'd take the evolved gameplay of ME2 over the better storytelling of ME1 any day.
Of course. And that competent level achieved in ME3 that prevents me from turn back and play ME1 again, it's just too clunky.
AdmiralSnackbar
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Why couldn't it have been both? :<
ME3 was both.
When?
Agreed.
Let me correct myself, not better storytelling, but better main story (even though ME2 has an awesome story if you count it's ME3 closure, ME1 still had the most cohesive main goal)
Freeza Under The Shower
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yup. Even with all the retconning (well, some anyway) and daddy issues, that was pretty much a-ok.
Tweaking Insane to be instant death ruined the co-op for me and my buddy though. Two guys fighting for dear life was pretty much the core 'Gears of War' experience. Making that four players and having to balance difficulty against it made that experience impossible. Which makes replaying the campaign on higher levels a no-go, sadly.
Horde mode was still awesome though, aside from the whole 'you need to unlock executions'.
Still: All in all that was 60 bucks well spent. Brimming with content, easter eggs, unique multiplayer maps, I mean: sheeeeeet.
ME3 is kind of shameful compared to Gears 3, in my opinion.
Last Hearth
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The more I think about it, the more I think the screw up started with ME2.
The collectors should not have been building a human reaper, they should have been building a 2nd Citadel, so the Reaper can come back from dark space. Shepard and team only partially succeeds in stopping them at the end. The 2nd Citadel is destroyed but the the Mass Relay part of it works long enough for all the Reapers to come through.
Shepard and company beats a hasty retreat to the Omega-4 Relay, and blows the relay up, in order to prevent the Reapers from coming through and quickly reach the rest of the Galaxy. Now the Reapers have to physically travel to the next Mass Relay, which will take a year or so, this buys the time for Shepard to try to warn the rest of the Galaxy at then end of ME2.
Also, while destroying the half finished Citadel, Shepard finds the construction plans for the 2nd Citadel, and it is through the reverse engineering of that plan that humans reach a greater understanding of what the Relays are and later come up with the design for the Crucible super device to fight the Reapers. The Reapers attack Humans first because this knowledge makes humans the most dangerous so they want to wipe human's out first. Shepard spends ME3 trying to rally the Galaxy and get all the species to help build the Crucible. Cerberus believes that humans can build it alone and does not want to share the knowledge with the rest of the galaxy, so that after the Reapers are beaten humans and humans alone can dominate the galaxy rather than share power with the rest. Players can go Paragon (work with galaxy), or Renegade (work with Cerberus).
The collectors should not have been building a human reaper, they should have been building a 2nd Citadel, so the Reaper can come back from dark space. Shepard and team only partially succeeds in stopping them at the end. The 2nd Citadel is destroyed but the the Mass Relay part of it works long enough for all the Reapers to come through.
Shepard and company beats a hasty retreat to the Omega-4 Relay, and blows the relay up, in order to prevent the Reapers from coming through and quickly reach the rest of the Galaxy. Now the Reapers have to physically travel to the next Mass Relay, which will take a year or so, this buys the time for Shepard to try to warn the rest of the Galaxy at then end of ME2.
Also, while destroying the half finished Citadel, Shepard finds the construction plans for the 2nd Citadel, and it is through the reverse engineering of that plan that humans reach a greater understanding of what the Relays are and later come up with the design for the Crucible super device to fight the Reapers. The Reapers attack Humans first because this knowledge makes humans the most dangerous so they want to wipe human's out first. Shepard spends ME3 trying to rally the Galaxy and get all the species to help build the Crucible. Cerberus believes that humans can build it alone and does not want to share the knowledge with the rest of the galaxy, so that after the Reapers are beaten humans and humans alone can dominate the galaxy rather than share power with the rest. Players can go Paragon (work with galaxy), or Renegade (work with Cerberus).
mjemirzian
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I don't know if anyone remembers, but I wrote a review of ME2 that was fairly negative. Apparently my review of ME3 isn't getting nearly as much attention, because even though I'm saying a lot of the same things as my ME2 review, a lot of those points are now being widely repeated. Yes the review does contain spoilers, so be warned.
The ending didn't bother me as much, but I suppose it's because I'm not a big plot person. I don't think I would have been any happier with the ending if I saw little cutscenes tidying up every other race and character's story. Anyway, I thought the plot went out the window with ME2 mainly being about solving your teammates dysfunctional family issues and "a human reaper!".
The ending didn't bother me as much, but I suppose it's because I'm not a big plot person. I don't think I would have been any happier with the ending if I saw little cutscenes tidying up every other race and character's story. Anyway, I thought the plot went out the window with ME2 mainly being about solving your teammates dysfunctional family issues and "a human reaper!".
You mean the middling cover-based corridor shooter with forced horde modes every 5 feet?
Too logical; no speculation. Sorry.
Still better than the shooting in ME1, and what made me love the new ones more than the first, yes.
GrandHarrier
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A few more missions for single player (from DLC), a redone ending, and I wouldn't have any issues with ME3. It'd make for a pleasant replaythrough.
Jake Tower
Banned
I started a replaythrough, but now I'm in doubt if I should wait for the DLCs to come...
GrandHarrier
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It is what I would do, personally. In the meantime, enjoy the multiplayer, it's actually quite good (imo).
Okay, so you played mass effect for the shooter section (which is fine).
However, I played mass effect solely for the universe and the character interactions.
This might explain why you seem to have less problems with the ending/story than me and a lot of others.
Don't worry, there will be no DLC changing the ending. You will probably get stuff like "Retake Omega" but nothing that will alter the ending.
Can you hear it?
It's the truth siren!
All I hear is more humming. I think you're being indoctrinated...
Come on now obviously the first option is better. If EA doesn't do anything I am sure there is going to be a retcon fan-made ending for PC come out in a year.
You know how Lucas keep re-releasing the original trilogy in more and more crap. I don't know anybody who consider those versions cannon. There is a fan-made edition of Star Wars that actually fix the technical error of the original print. Basically everyone is waiting for George Lucas to die so Fox can release a proper version in Blu-ray or whatever fancy disc format of the future.
Photolysis
Banned
I had a similar idea floating around in the back of my mind, except the Collectors would have been building a new Mass Relay... though it pretty much amounts to the same thing as what you suggest.
Anyway, this seems like a much better way of kicking off ME3 and a far far better plot than ME2's.
Nope, the story and the lore were what attracted me. But it seems that, unlike some of you, I grew to really like the battle mechanics (maybe because I'm not a huge fan of shooters, so I don't have other better parameters to judge the game).
I hate when people call ME just a "shooter".There's no powers in shooters.You don't find biotics in GeOW or COD.
Randy Lanzarote
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I was just watching the various endings of the game on YouTube, I'm actually saddened how they are all pretty much the same video with the exception of blue/green/red magic space shockwave.
It's a shame as there is some cool stuff that can be salvaged, the music for one, the Citadel's explosion, little flashbacks of key characters, the mass relays firing off data bursts then exploding from outside the galaxy. But much like the intro to the game, blink and you miss it. Three games and 120hrs of gameplay, and for the super-nerdy various books as well, and a 2 minute video ends it all. I want shots of Reapers exploding across the Galaxy, lot's of little flashbacks of key moments of the journey you have taken, people celebrating on Thessia/Rannoch/Praeven as Reapers shutdown and explode around them, and then a short musical number with people dancing and clapping on the Forest Moon of Endor.
And it seems the 'Red Magic Space Shockwave' ending is the one that offers the most closure as to what you've been fighting for over the three games, its just a shame that there were just arbitrary clauses attached to it. I'm surprised that Space Casper didn't also add "Oh yeah, and everyone in the galaxy will get a custard pie in the face, and bowel's will be voided due to background brown noise. Don't ask why, you have a tiny brain that can't comprehend the explanation".
It's a shame as there is some cool stuff that can be salvaged, the music for one, the Citadel's explosion, little flashbacks of key characters, the mass relays firing off data bursts then exploding from outside the galaxy. But much like the intro to the game, blink and you miss it. Three games and 120hrs of gameplay, and for the super-nerdy various books as well, and a 2 minute video ends it all. I want shots of Reapers exploding across the Galaxy, lot's of little flashbacks of key moments of the journey you have taken, people celebrating on Thessia/Rannoch/Praeven as Reapers shutdown and explode around them, and then a short musical number with people dancing and clapping on the Forest Moon of Endor.
And it seems the 'Red Magic Space Shockwave' ending is the one that offers the most closure as to what you've been fighting for over the three games, its just a shame that there were just arbitrary clauses attached to it. I'm surprised that Space Casper didn't also add "Oh yeah, and everyone in the galaxy will get a custard pie in the face, and bowel's will be voided due to background brown noise. Don't ask why, you have a tiny brain that can't comprehend the explanation".
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