Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Isn't he paid DLC? Seems like if you want any context for the ending BEFORE the last 5 minutes you need to pay Bioware either for the expensive Collector's Edition or the DLC itself.

It was inexcusable. The whole time I was thinking about how crazy it was he was paid DLC and not standard with the game. You don't make a character that vital to the back story (and eventual understanding of the ending) a paid DLC... one that was already on the disc.
 
Wait, i saw an ending where Shepard apparently can survive, is that only with the red ending? Considering the other 2 have you...melting.
 
I just finished the game, and I am disappointed . . .











that the trilogy is over. I feel like playing through all three games again (that is until I find a job).

I think the way bioware handled the crucible was good, especially in the backstory that it always existed and was preserved for each cycle, but no civilization was able to build/finish/use it in time.
Then again, the only way I could possibly understand why it existed in the first place was assuming that the originals who created the reapers, mass relays, etc knew one day that an organic was objectively capable of making the choice to break the cycle. That a civilization would be capable of maintaining order on their own.
But, that guardian ai kid (or whatever he is called) didn't explain any of that, and actually may have implied the opposite.

Anyways, I understand some of the hate about the ending (especially in that the mass relays got destroyed in every ending). However, I really do think people are overreacting.

I am definitely in the minority, but I still enjoyed the ending and liked the direction it was going.
I just wished the mass relays weren't destroyed in the paragon and synthesis ending, and that the kid gave more explanation on the origins of the reapers. (Maybe the next mass effect game will be about the events leading to the reaper creation, idk - I'm not holding my breadth though).
 
You reply too fast and ninja my edits. I added this:

And remember, he has knowledge about past cycles and what happened to end them and he goes into specifics about it. What reason would he have to lie about the history of the past cycles?

He was the avatar of Vengeance assuming what he said wasn't hyperbole he had a pretty one track mind all he's going to remember is the bad that happened to his people and those before him. You can't take a guy like that opinion as accurate.
 
Wait, i saw an ending where Shepard apparently can survive, is that only with the red ending? Considering the other 2 have you...melting.

Yeah, only with the destroy ending I believe, and which has fueled the rise of the Indoctrination theorists.
 
ROFL.

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Hahahaaa, flawless victory. Well played.
 
All of the Javik conversations are still pissing me off. I don't want to shell out money(and in turn encourage more Day 1 DLC), but it really feels like I'm missing out on a ton of possible story points. Right now I'm going back through ME1 on my paragon Vanguard class. Hopefully it means certain encounters like Banshees, Phantoms, and Brutes are a bit easier, but I'm not putting too much into it.
 
Wait, i saw an ending where Shepard apparently can survive, is that only with the red ending? Considering the other 2 have you...melting.

Yes, if you have an EMS higher than 4000 (5000, if Anderson is killed by the Illusive Man), you will get that five second clip in the Destroy ending.
 
The guy has been around when most of the races were in their infancy. Everything he said was pretty much spot on.

Exactly. Just because he was wrong about Legion, something he barely knew, doesn't mean all his vast prior knowledge of past and present races was bs. He mentions/implies how synthetics will always rise up and destroy their creators a couple of times. There was no reason not to believe him... certainly not because he didn't trust our geth crew member.
 
And remember, he has knowledge about past cycles and what happened to end them and he goes into specifics about it. What reason would he have to lie about the history of the past cycles?

His knowledge of past cycles is fairly irrelevant as he is still seeing it through a historic filter and not through first hand knowledge. But more importantly, a significant portion of ME3's events involve directly refuting his claim. He makes it clear that all AI is evil and should be destroyed because it is inevitable they will screw you over. Both ME2 and ME3 put you in positions to distrust AI: the Geth, for the obvious reasons, and EDI, a Cerberus built AI controlling your ship. In both cases, no exceptions, you learn this historic precedents are inaccurate.

ME3's whole AI subplot revolves entirely around finding peace and harmony with organics. This can be achieved through allying the Geth with the Quarians, and through your relationship with EDI and her growth as a character.

This is further enforced by the very end of the game when the Catalyst mentions that the cycle has failed, and how you're the first organic to be standing there. The game specifically notes that the your universe and the events that have occurred do not match the predicted cycle.

Yet despite this, you're told and forced to believe that the cycle is inevitable. You have no reason to believe him, and have first hand evidence to refute his claims. Yet, you cannot.
 
what the fuck??

I ctrl-alt-deleted my way out of the ending because I was just wandering around when the game LOCKS YOU INTO POSITION AND FORCES YOU TO CHOOSE THE ONE YOU ARE CLOSEST TO. what the fuck? I was considering my options, you fucking piece of shit!!

I dont' even know what the ending I got was. I am so disgusted... great design, bioware. maybe I wanted to wander betwee a couple of locations as I considered which choice i wanted to make?
 
I just finished the game, and I am disappointed . . .











that the trilogy is over. I feel like playing through all three games again (that is until I find a job).

I think the way bioware handled the crucible was good, especially in the backstory that it always existed and was preserved for each cycle, but no civilization was able to build/finish/use it in time.
Then again, the only way I could possibly understand why it existed in the first place was assuming that the originals who created the reapers, mass relays, etc knew one day that an organic was objectively capable of making the choice to break the cycle. That a civilization would be capable of maintaining order on their own.
But, that guardian ai kid (or whatever he is called) didn't explain any of that, and actually may have implied the opposite.

Anyways, I understand some of the hate about the ending (especially in that the mass relays got destroyed in every ending). However, I really do think people are overreacting.

I am definitely in the minority, but I still enjoyed the ending and liked the direction it was going.
I just wished the mass relays weren't destroyed in the paragon and synthesis ending, and that the kid gave more explanation on the origins of the reapers. (Maybe the next mass effect game will be about the events leading to the reaper creation, idk - I'm not holding my breadth though).
Bioware = vindicated. They can now pump out more lame endings to $60 games because the facts remain, some people actually liked this ending. :^/
 
what the fuck??

I ctrl-alt-deleted my way out of the ending because I was just wandering around when the game LOCKS YOU INTO POSITION AND FORCES YOU TO CHOOSE THE ONE YOU ARE CLOSEST TO. what the fuck? I was considering my options, you fucking piece of shit!!

I dont' even know what the ending I got was. I am so disgusted... great design, bioware. maybe I wanted to wander betwee a couple of locations as I considered which choice i wanted to make?

it's okay, they're all the same.
 
His knowledge of past cycles is fairly irrelevant as he is still seeing it through a historic filter and not through first hand knowledge. But more importantly, a significant portion of ME3's events involve directly refuting his claim. He makes it clear that all AI is evil and should be destroyed because it is inevitable they will screw you over. Both ME2 and ME3 put you in positions to distrust AI: the Geth, for the obvious reasons, and EDI, a Cerberus built AI controlling your ship. In both cases, no exceptions, you learn this historic precedents are inaccurate.

ME3's whole AI subplot revolves entirely around finding peace and harmony with organics. This can be achieved through allying the Geth with the Quarians, and through your relationship with EDI and her growth as a character.

This is further enforced by the very end of the game when the Catalyst mentions that the cycle has failed, and how you're the first organic to be standing there. The game specifically notes that the your universe and the events that have occurred do not match the predicted cycle.

Yet despite this, you're told and forced to believe that the cycle is inevitable. You have no reason to believe him, and have first hand evidence to refute his claims. Yet, you cannot.

It sounds like you've been indoct... nevermind.
 
You can't trust Javik's opinions on synthetics because his race are imperialistic assholes.

This is also true. As much as I love Javick, he is an arrogant, stubborn cock who refuses to be told otherwise. His cycle failed and yours is succeeding in face of his claims that differing species cannot work together and should be unified under one empire, and that all AI should be destroyed. He is proven wrong by everything that is happening in the game.
 
That's a gross simplification and was only one of the conversations. And remember, he has knowledge about past cycles and what happened to end them and he goes into specifics about it.

All I remember is how his race was the galaxy dictators. and there was a race that in the prothean eyes went too far with cyborg implementations and they could have started the war.

And has no personal experience with them because he was born in what I would guess were the last few decades of the prothean cycle. And then the memory stone. If I remember it right it was given from soldier to soldier. And what do soldiers fight against enemies and they don't need a reason really.
 
what the fuck??

I ctrl-alt-deleted my way out of the ending because I was just wandering around when the game LOCKS YOU INTO POSITION AND FORCES YOU TO CHOOSE THE ONE YOU ARE CLOSEST TO. what the fuck? I was considering my options, you fucking piece of shit!!

I dont' even know what the ending I got was. I am so disgusted... great design, bioware. maybe I wanted to wander betwee a couple of locations as I considered which choice i wanted to make?

If you had alt tabbed right when anderson died you would have seen the real ending.
 
This is also true. As much as I love Javick, he is an arrogant, stubborn cock who refuses to be told otherwise. His cycle failed and yours is succeeding in face of his claims that differing species cannot work together and should be unified under one empire, and that all AI should be destroyed. He is proven wrong by everything that is happening in the game.

That's what I think makes him interesting.

How lame would it be if he just agreed with everything you did?
 
Replaying the game, at Grissom Academy right now.

Damn, game's too good, I can't but hope that the rumor about the True Ending DLC is true.
Second hardest fight in the game. That defend the missles mission was just unbelievably hard. I can only imagine how hard both those missions are on insanity.
 
Because it's Harbinger, it wouldn't surprise me.

The dude is arrogant as fuck.

Another disappointing thing to me is how Harbinger is such a non-character in this game. It's mentioned maybe twice, and they are both about where he is attacking. Sovereign was fleshed out so much more and it was in one game.
 
it's okay, they're all the same.

oh...

still, I am heavily invested in my chick shepard. she's one of the few video game characters I actually respect and admire. I am angry that the final, and most important, choice was taken from me because I wandered a little too closely to the power conduit! ugh!
 
Another disappointing thing to me is how Harbinger is such a non-character in this game. It's mentioned maybe twice, and they are both about where he is attacking. Sovereign was fleshed out so much more and it was in one game.

I think they wanted it to be about the 'Reapers' as a collective whole rather than just one singular enemy.
 
That's what I think makes him interesting.

How lame would it be if he just agreed with everything you did?

I don't think he's saying that Javik is not interesting. In fact I think most people agree he's handled extremely well. Just pointing out that Javik is wrong, he even admits that this cycle has a chance because the Protheans never banded together, well that and the fact the Reapers locked down the relays.
 
I don't think he's saying that Javik is not interesting. In fact I think most people agree he's handled extremely well. Just pointing out that Javik is wrong, he even admits that this cycle has a chance because the Protheans never banded together, well that and the fact the Reapers locked down the relays.

Indeed.
 
That's what I think makes him interesting.

How lame would it be if he just agreed with everything you did?

I loved it too. Him conflicting the romantic retrospective on an ancient, dead civilization through the filters of history and theory is excellent writing. You're forced to confront him and, well, he is a dick, and his empire was kind of dickish. It puts into perspective how different the last cycle was, and why the Prothean empire was so successful.
 
Second hardest fight in the game. That defend the missles mission was just unbelievably hard. I can only imagine how hard both those missions are on insanity.

it was pretty easy if you just got out of the reapers way

go behind one of the buildings and the reaper cant hit you

tell your squadmates to follow you

shoot every thing

run like hell when the missile button comes on
 
It's just the Reapers thing. Everyone has a thing, right?

What's they're purpose? Wipe Out Organic Life. We're near the climax of the story, the war for all of the galaxy ends right now. Kill Sheppard, the morale and resolve amongst the unified alien races dissolves. This is ME3. The Reapers are HERE. They are wiping out organic life, kill Sheppard.
 
Second hardest fight in the game. That defend the missles mission was just unbelievably hard. I can only imagine how hard both those missions are on insanity.

I played most of the game on hardcore with little deaths, but that part alone made me die like 6 times before i switched to normal(and i still died a few times there). I'm ashamed,
 
This is also true. As much as I love Javick, he is an arrogant, stubborn cock who refuses to be told otherwise. His cycle failed and yours is succeeding in face of his claims that differing species cannot work together and should be unified under one empire, and that all AI should be destroyed. He is proven wrong by everything that is happening in the game.
My shepard actually corrected him on the Citadel. He was trying to tell an Asari and a Hanar that the war with the Reapers was doomed to fail. I paragoned him and then he started talking positive about our prospects for winning. He's not as arrogant as he is mad out to be, he's just not tolerant of falsehoods. Like he told Liara, "there is no coincidence that your so called deity looks like me, a Prothean".
 
Second hardest fight in the game. That defend the missles mission was just unbelievably hard. I can only imagine how hard both those missions are on insanity.

I played as a sentinal, game is easier than ME2 on insanity. The only thing I had trouble with was the stupid reaper you had to use lock-on laser for. I died maybe 3 or 4 times at that part, so annoying.
 
What's they're purpose? Wipe Out Organic Life. We're near the climax of the story, the war for all of the galaxy ends right now. Kill Sheppard, the morale and resolve amongst the unified alien races dissolves. This is ME3. The Reapers are HERE. They are wiping out organic life, kill Sheppard.

They wanted to Harvey Dent him. Show that even the great Commander Shepard can be corrupted. Honestly.. who knows. :(
 
His knowledge of past cycles is fairly irrelevant as he is still seeing it through a historic filter and not through first hand knowledge. But more importantly, a significant portion of ME3's events involve directly refuting his claim. He makes it clear that all AI is evil and should be destroyed because it is inevitable they will screw you over. Both ME2 and ME3 put you in positions to distrust AI: the Geth, for the obvious reasons, and EDI, a Cerberus built AI controlling your ship. In both cases, no exceptions, you learn this historic precedents are inaccurate.

ME3's whole AI subplot revolves entirely around finding peace and harmony with organics. This can be achieved through allying the Geth with the Quarians, and through your relationship with EDI and her growth as a character.

This is further enforced by the very end of the game when the Catalyst mentions that the cycle has failed, and how you're the first organic to be standing there. The game specifically notes that the your universe and the events that have occurred do not match the predicted cycle.

Yet despite this, you're told and forced to believe that the cycle is inevitable. You have no reason to believe him, and have first hand evidence to refute his claims. Yet, you cannot.

So to summarize, you're saying we should believe he's lying about what he knows of the past cycles and history because we got the Geth and Quarians to stop fighting, and also EDI's character. The major point of the game was breaking that cycle, as you've alluded to. We already know that this cycle with Shepard has gotten the closest to any prior to stopping the Reapers. This isn't a late-game revelation. By the time the Crucible was finished there were mentions of this... how Shepard & Co. have gotten the farthest of any cycle prior -- all well before the ending. Which should lead us to believe that something is different this time around... that is the whole point of the game.
 
I don't think he's saying that Javik is not interesting. In fact I think most people agree he's handled extremely well. Just pointing out that Javik is wrong, he even admits that this cycle has a chance because the Protheans never banded together, well that and the fact the Reapers locked down the relays.

I thought that Liara discovering that the protheans were quite different than the race she studied for years and romanticized was maybe the most interesting part of the whole game.
 
What's they're purpose? Wipe Out Organic Life. We're near the climax of the story, the war for all of the galaxy ends right now. Kill Sheppard, the morale and resolve amongst the unified alien races dissolves. This is ME3. The Reapers are HERE. They are wiping out organic life, kill Sheppard.

The Reapers are arrogant and wanted to defeat Shepard on a mental level first before a physical level? To prove they are truly superior in all aspects.
 
What's they're purpose? Wipe Out Organic Life. We're near the climax of the story, the war for all of the galaxy ends right now. Kill Sheppard, the morale and resolve amongst the unified alien races dissolves. This is ME3. The Reapers are HERE. They are wiping out organic life, kill Sheppard.

I'm still not really clear on why the Reapers do anything. They are just evil, why just kill a guy when you can corrupt him, make him juicy fruit the universe in his flavour of choice.
 
I think they wanted it to be about the 'Reapers' as a collective whole rather than just one singular enemy.

It still seems like such a lost opportunity to me. I guess I would rather have it be a missed opportunity than completely screwing it over like the ending was.
 
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