Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Is this for real!?

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...-effect-3-ending-fighter-goes-to-the-ftc.aspx

A fan who wants to see the ending of Mass Effect 3 changed has taken his complaint to the Federal Trade Commission, the agency created to protect consumers.

His argument is that Bioware did not deliver on the promise of its game saying, "after reading through the list of promises about the ending of the game they made in their advertising campaign and PR interviews, it was clear that the product we got did not live up to any of those claims."

He continues by inviting others to file complaints against Electronic Arts with the FTC if they share his sentiments.
This is going too far....
 
A few things. She is one of the few characters that actually disappear after she has run out of conversation options. The only one, I think?
This was the other thing besides the ending that really bothered me about the game. I made it a point to get every new piece of dialogue from these dynamic NPC conversations and when the thread is over I expect them to go or do whatever they said they would but instead the thread just starts over. Really killed some immersion for me in the Citadel. A few I remember:

- the female soldier on the Normandy part of the Citadel who requests to fight on the Reaper front instead of the Cerberus front because her cousin might have joined Cerberus. Her superior officer finally agrees to switch her and send her off when the thread finishes but then it restarts. How hard would it have been to have just remove the NPC from the area after you've heard it all?

- the blonde teen at the Docks who goes up to the help desk and mentions how she's waiting for her parents and they never come

- the male salarian and female human in front of Purgatory. The human buys her husband an armor by selling her beloved car. At the end of the chain they even say let's go

- the female human at help desk at Embassy level of the Citadel that asks the asari receptionist about sending her asari daughter to the asari side of the family for protection

They all restart. I get it that maybe they did this so people will definitely hear all the threads in case they missed some but how about like after we hear it 2 full times they can move on?
 
- the female human at help desk at Embassy level of the Citadel that asks the asari receptionist about sending her asari daughter to the asari side of the family for protection

They all restart. I get it that maybe they did this so people will definitely hear all the threads in case they missed some but how about like after we hear it 2 full times they can move on?

My favorite part was when she was super ecstatic to send her daughter to Thessia. You know the Thessia that is burning to the ground. LOL.
 
Zeliard, what kind of card do you have? Those pics look stunning. The colors just pop. My 6850 does a good job, but I don't think my game looks that good.

Hm, don't think it'd be the card. I did do some Coalesced tweaks that I think worked with ME2. I can't remember exactly which ones, though. :P
 
Ego leading to misaligned goals. Their entire goal ending the franchise seemed to revolve around generating speculation and mystery. Like, this was the basis for the ending. Hudson was desperate to have the franchise end in a way that would make it very memorable (which I can understand), and Walters wanted to harbour mystery like a lot of hard sci fi endings do.

Rather than sit back and try to write a concise, believable and complete narrative, they let their goals take first preference at the expense of everything else. They didn't write a story, they wrote a disconnected end sequence with its own specific intentions.

This is exactly what I though when I saw it. Just a writer who couldn't stop himself from masturbating all over the ending thinking he was doing something special instead of just being true to the story he had. I mean, the whole crucible/catalyst thing hinted at it very heavily, but you'd think someone at Bioware took a close look at it and thought it was crap.

Not that it matters anymore at this point, but were these endings included in the script leak or hinted at there? I never got to read about them.

Edit: That FTC thing is fucking hilarious. People are really going too far with this. Just accept the ending as is.
 
This changing the ending thing is sad. No wonder everyone views the game market as immature, cause we are. There are a ton of movies and TV shows with crappy endings, oh well deal with it.
 
This changing the ending thing is sad. No wonder everyone views the game market as immature, cause we are. There are a ton of movies and TV shows with crappy endings, oh well deal with it.

It's not the same as a TV show or movie. There was a post about this yesterday that explained much better than I can.
 
Oh geez. If this made it to CNN, I can't see how the higher-ups in EA don't get involved.

At this point, the whole thing may be out of Bioware's hands. I can see EA going "You are making a new ending. I don't care about your artistic integrity, this is a disaster. Make it and ship it. NOW."

That's fucking ridiculous. Firstly, because CNN shouldn't be wasting their time on this. Secondly, because it makes EA look really bad and can really put off the casual customer.
 
Oh geez. If this made it to CNN, I can't see how the higher-ups in EA don't get involved.

At this point, the whole thing may be out of Bioware's hands. I can see EA going "You are making a new ending. I don't care about your artistic integrity, this is a disaster. Make it and ship it. NOW."

That's fucking ridiculous. Firstly, because CNN shouldn't be wasting their time on this. Secondly, because it makes EA look really bad and can really put off the casual customer.

If it happens, it's not going to be free. I hope people don't buy it.
 
Oh geez. If this made it to CNN, I can't see how the higher-ups in EA don't get involved.

At this point, the whole thing may be out of Bioware's hands. I can see EA going "You are making a new ending. I don't care about your artistic integrity, this is a disaster. Make it and ship it. NOW."

That's fucking ridiculous. Firstly, because CNN shouldn't be wasting their time on this. Secondly, because it makes EA look really bad and can really put off the casual customer.

but that would make ea heroes
 
It's not the same as a TV show or movie. There was a post about this yesterday that explained much better than I can.

Let me guess, cause you made choices. Throughout all three games your choices change how parts of the story play out. They never told you that it completely changes the ending. I'll look back.
 
They all restart. I get it that maybe they did this so people will definitely hear all the threads in case they missed some but how about like after we hear it 2 full times they can move on?

It makes even less since given the Spectre terminal lets you authorise most of these, and then the conversations go back on loop.
 
This changing the ending thing is sad. No wonder everyone views the game market as immature, cause we are. There are a ton of movies and TV shows with crappy endings, oh well deal with it.

Plenty of people are asking for George Lucas to patch his revised Star Wars episodes IV-VI back to the way they were in some aspects. TV shows are frequently patched to remove content that it turned out offended someone. The issue with re-shooting TV shows is they normally do not have the budget, but a video game doesn't have to hire actors to do long scenes in the same way at all outside of voice actors, and the current DLC add-on culture has no comparison in TV or movies. They're not comparable.
 
but that would make ea heroes

They were almost saviors back when Activision was really fucking up with all the Hero games and the Infinity Ward fiasco. But I think they have collapsed mightily since then, and are probably the worst regarded publisher once more. Online Passes helped them get there.
 
Blue Ending: illusive man´s way -> Wrong
Green Ending: Sarens way "??" -> Wrong
Red Ending: Shepards Way -> Right

Pretty much. Especially when you have been paragon all along, the only question that comes to mind is 'Why is my ending fucking Red?' lol, that makes no sense. It also sucks because after all the effort to save the Geth they also have to die for some reason.
 
but that would make ea heroes

EA cares about money. If ME3 starts getting bad press in the mainstream press, that damages both the game and franchise's future sales. At some point it would need to stop the bleeding, and if that means giving the fans what they want to end the fury, I think that's what they'll do.

How is it a disaster? It's getting free press and selling like a zillion copies. lol

Bad word of mouth may lead to the casual fan or a person who hasn't played a ME game from passing it by.

You know the audience that sadly EA and Bioware both care about far more than their loyal fans.

The worst part is that I'm not kidding on that.
 
lol there is always one dude who comes into the thread every few thousand posts and says "yu doods r being childish, I don't get it, the ending is juss fine :p " . These are the same guys who probably enjoy Beet and mayonnaise sandwiches.
 
Pretty much. Especially when you have been paragon all along, the only question that comes to mind is 'Why is my ending fucking Red?' lol, that makes no sense.
The fact that Shepard only lives if you pick this ending at least implies that they guys at BioWare think this is the "best" ending.

(Not to mention having to play online to get the 4000 EMS).
 
Let me guess, cause you made choices. Throughout all three games your choices change how parts of the story play out. They never told you that it completely changes the ending. I'll look back.

Yes, they did tell , even a few weeks before release when the game was completely finished, that the endings would change based on your choices. Its a big reason why people are mad: Hudson and that other hack writer were lying straight to peoples faces witihout shame.

I mean, i guess technically the endings did change because you get a different color, but come on.
 
Plenty of people are asking for George Lucas to patch his revised Star Wars episodes IV-VI back to the way they were in some aspects. TV shows are frequently patched to remove content that it turned out offended someone. The issue with re-shooting TV shows is they normally do not have the budget, but a video game doesn't have to hire actors to do long scenes in the same way at all outside of voice actors, and the current DLC add-on culture has no comparison in TV or movies. They're not comparable.


You are asking them to change their story. The story is written out the same way a book, a movie, a TV show is written. It is someone else's story. You dont like how someone ended their story and you want it changed. It is no different than you seeing a movie, hating the ending and calling out for the studio to change the ending. Does it happen sometimes, yes, but it is not what the writer originally intended.
 
Why would the green ending be Saren's way in any aspect other than that he turned into a robot? His goal was to show the Reapers the galaxy didn't need to be harvested because we were mature enough. That doesn't fit into either ending.
 
You guys are arguing about the small movie clip that plays after the game is over so yes in this case you are complaining about a movie.

No. We have been arguing because we have no choice over what small clips plays, because they're all the same. That's the whole point, not that Shepard dies, but that we have no choice in a game where choice is supposed to be a big deal.
People have played the game in different ways, but that doesn't amount to anything in the end, it makes no sense. How is it the same as a movie or book? You're not making up the main character's decisions as the movie or book develops. The director/author is, you can merely enjoy it.

It's ironic that this happened to ME.
 
He doesn't like the ending. He just doesn't have as big a problem with it, and doesn't think it should be changed.

I disagree with him, but I am not arguing with him because he is certainly entitled to think what he wants. I believe he is aware of all of our problems with the ending, so I'm not really sure what there is to argue about.

I don't really want to rehash the death of the author/Blade Runner argument from yesterday.
 
EA cares about money. If ME3 starts getting bad press in the mainstream press, that damages both the game and franchise's future sales. At some point it would need to stop the bleeding, and if that means giving the fans what they want to end the fury, I think that's what they'll do.



Bad word of mouth may lead to the casual fan or a person who hasn't played a ME game from passing it by.

You know the audience that sadly EA and Bioware both care about far more than their loyal fans.

The worst part is that I'm not kidding on that.

Most Jersey Shore denizens probably love the ending OMG EPIC
 
Yes, they did tell , even a few weeks before release when the game was completely finished, that the endings would change based on your choices. Its a big reason why people are mad: Hudson and that other hack writer were lying straight to peoples faces witihout shame.

I mean, i guess technically the endings did change because you get a different color, but come on.

Ok in that case there is an issue. If they advertised as such and didn't deliver that is an issue. But that is not the same as changing what happens in the story. Something tells me people don't just want there to be different endings but a totally rewritten ending, something they want.
 
Why would the green ending be Saren's way in any aspect other than that he turned into a robot? His goal was to show the Reapers the galaxy didn't need to be harvested because we were mature enough. That doesn't fit into either ending.

No, he wanted to prove that we could be useful slaves to them. And that we would then be made into cyborgs at the end. Look up the conversations on Virmire and the final confrontation on the Citadel.
 
You are asking them to change their story. The story is written out the same way a book, a movie, a TV show is written. It is someone else's story. You dont like how someone ended their story and you want it changed. It is no different than you seeing a movie, hating the ending and calling out for the studio to change the ending. Does it happen sometimes, yes, but it is not what the writer originally intended.

But movie endings do get changed. Not only during development (endings get focus groups to test it and changed based on that), but also afterwards. Think directors cuts, extended versions and such things.

Hell, Sherlock Holmes got killed in a story, which angered people so much that the author had to come back that it.
 
No, he wanted to prove that we could be useful slaves to them. And that we would then be made into cyborgs at the end. Look up the conversations on Virmire and the final confrontation on the Citadel.

The Citadel conversion is post-robotisation, he's not going to make sense there. I'll go read the Virmire one though. All I can remember about it in-game is a whole lot of "you're wrong" shouting going back and forth.

EDIT: You're right.
 
It always annoyed me in Mass Effect when female members of a species are called 'women'. That'd be like saying Krogan males are men. When they were writing the dialogue they really didn't pay enough attention to the distinction between female and woman.
Just a thing that really bugs me!
 
DA2 was the weirdest gaming experience ever for me, i could see al the flaws and why it was crap, but somehow i couldn't stop playing it. I even finished i twice.
I only played it once and did almost everything I could do -- meaning visit the same locations dozens of times for fetch quests. That game really pulls you in for some reason. I guess it's something for loot whores who don't want to play an MMO. :/

I thought the end was worse than ME3's personally.

I don't understand all this DA2 talks. I've only have played the mass effect series. I feel left out. If I was gonna get into DA, should it be DA:O?
DA:O most definitely.
 
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