No... You're just filling them in with speculation.
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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No... You're just filling them in with speculation.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Shepard -> Dr. Phase -> The BioWare doctors planned the trilogy in phases -> phase one is indoctrination -> phase two is the DLC ending -> phase three is a new trilogy on next gen systems.
Awesome
Oh screw you. That's the laziest way of discounting what people are actually saying.
Some people just love to speculate.
We should make a song.
Some people just love to hate.
Some people just love to speculate.
Some people think space magic is the answer
Some people think BioWare is a Talimancer
Quarian sweat all up in this bitch
You can't get any from the Catalyst
It's all over, don't resist
We have assumed control
It won't be going for long. OT2 will come in to replace it soon.
Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread: Lots of Speculation From Everyone Cont.
Could we please refrain from these inane reductionistic attempts at subverting anyone's criticisms to "some people just love to hate"? It's incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded, and it sabotages any fruitful epistemic discussion. It's almost worse than your previous drive-by trolling.
It is clear to anyone with a sense of narrative standards that this ending is severely flawed and goes against everything taught in a high school course on simple storytelling.
I avoided the spoilers/saw all the hate/twitter harassment/petitions
all of that made me want to LOVE the ending and be able to say "lulz it's fine fuck you cry babies".
But no it's awful on basically every level.
When all the pre release hate was going on I called those people dicks/psychos/babies repeatedly. I was so glad I enjoyed most of the game and figured it would shut people up....but then the ending oh god.
Yeah, I'm not sure why Bioware thinks they can bargain/wait this out. Not everyone beats the game immediately. There will be a stream of pissed off people for months.
It won't be going for long. OT2 will come in to replace it soon.
Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread: Lots of Speculation From Everyone Cont.
This thread has almost more posts than the OT and multiplayer OT together.
What makes me "mad" isn't people saying they disliked the ending, that's an opinion I can take. The thing is people trying to frame everything as a plothole when the majority of it is clearly stated in the game or easily deducible.
Jake Tower
Banned
Among other things, not for the Reapers to go from:
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
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Harbinger's reaction after the Control ending probably must have been... hilarious. Especially after realizing that Shepard is now the controller.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
You call me for being reductionist and then you say that whoever doesn't think the ending is bad is wrong. That's really deep and open minded, LOL.
Jake Tower
Banned
The issues come from inconsistencies that came from the writer's desire to be as vague as possible. Weather or not potholes exist, is not important. Lazy writing is the one issue several people dislike the ending.
I think you twisted his/her words. He said that it may be obvious to see the flaws, but never said that anyone who likes the ending is wrong.
I'm convinced you're from Bioware now. Did you even read this?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QT4IUepvrU1pfv_B95oQj0H84DlCTUmzQ_uQh1voTUs/preview?pli=1&sle=true
defend the ending then
WrenchNinja
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Thats because they are wrong. The endings are objectively terrible.
Or you know, you could try to prove that Mac Walters & Co.'s take on the conclusion of a 5-year long trilogy is an example of what would be considered good or even mediocre storytelling, LOL.
Okay, I take back what I said about the synthesis ending.
Control ending is the best ending.
This ends with that indoctrination bullshit >.>
Then pretend it's like the game, and quit before the ending.
That's sad, right? It's also sad that it fits so well in light of the ending. A lot of it is reaching, other things might as well be true for how vague the ending is. But the doc brings up a lot more valid points beyond that.
Freeza Under The Shower
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The pitty is that we would be discussing the awesomeness if the ending didn't have space casper.
Allthough arguably, the problem is pretty much 'human reaper' as pointed out by someone else. Not only did that not make sense, it effective forced the writers to come up with some kind of 'genesis' for the reapers, creating space casper, who now has no genesis of his own.
So yeah, problem repeated for the next god. If you're going to do a god-figure, do not try to explain it. That's why they are gods, igit.
So? All the inconsistencies pointed out are still valid.
I'm not. Reading the first page, I didn't see one complain that I wouldn't categorize as nitpicking. C'mon: why did Harbinger left? He did what every enemy of every game does, if they did check every time to see if the hero is dead there wouldn't be a game to play.
It appeared closer to the beacon then he was a t the explosion!!1 And what if a huge ship just exploded behind Shepard and he was thrown closer to it? Shepard falls unconscious again after entering the Citadel beam. man, his critic is dumb: "Why go to great lengths to create such an atmosphere without reason? " because they friggin wanted. . It seems bizarre how neatly Shepard's armor and helmet were blown off. Fuck me, is this guy for real?
Maybe someone can copy/paste/remove indoctrination and publish it again. The ammo thing is null since there were other scenes in the game where infinite ammo was available.
Really indoctrinated? Possibly.
but it did suck
While it does bring up the Plotholes with a specific answer to them in mind, it's still a damn good list of all the problems in the ending.
dragonelite
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As much as ME3?
well, it wasn't as big of a shit, but it was still shit if you know what i mean
"It's inexcusable. Part of what drove me to write this analysis is that it is inconceivable to me that a professional writer could have produced this staggering degree of literary incompetence and I truly want to believe that it's all part of the plan - not necessarily for the sake of the Mass Effect story, but for the sake of my continued faith in human competence."Vamphuntr said:
I will, not now, but later with more time. Just to really understand what are the problems, because from every plothole stated in this thread, the only ones I can agree with is: "why did the reapers/catalyst wanted to help organics?" and how did your squadmates appeared in the Normady.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
1. The guy on the radio saw everyone lying on the ground, assumed they were dead.
2. Rule of drama.
3. Harbinger assumed he killed the ground team or that they were so badly hurted they couldn't do anything anyways.
4. A wizard did it.
5. It's a game.
6. People badly hurt sometimes pass out.
7. The story requires Shepard has bullets for the final scenes.
And so on...
In continuation of Dresden's previous comment on the last page, I propose an alternative to the Indoctrination theory: The Mac Walters Theory. Every single question about the ending should be answered with "Mac Walters."
E.g.
Q: What happened to Joker & Crew on Jungle Planet?
A: Mac Walters.
or
Q: What happened to race X, Y, Z after R/G/B Space Magic?
A: Mac Walters.
E.g.
Q: What happened to Joker & Crew on Jungle Planet?
A: Mac Walters.
or
Q: What happened to race X, Y, Z after R/G/B Space Magic?
A: Mac Walters.
It's like he was nitpicking every single frame just to make volume.
Last book was atrocius
Yes, the three points made in that video are well thought out. And unlike many things in that open document, they are far from nit picky. It is worth watching for sure.
Freeza Under The Shower
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by changing 'da rules' every other paragraph?
There is a reason no publisher wanted to touch Harry Potter (fun thing: a random name generator will give you a from of Harri Pjother in just a few attempts) or Twilight, yet they somehow both got into a bidding war and made the writers a fortune.
Allthough, looking at the movies, I would pick Harry Potter over 'bleeeeeh' (you know what I mean) in a heartbeat.
Not really, the problems are pretty clear to most people.
EmCeeGramr
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if you have to use a terrible site like tv tropes to prove a point then you have a bad story on your hands
Jake Tower
Banned
We refer to this as Xzibit A.
Tokubetsu
Member
Yea. Thats the big problem most people have with the ending. You apply the tiniest bit of logic to the ending and it doesn't just break, it shatters. It's a very lazy ending. Zero effort went into "writing" this.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
He's not leaving room for discussion, the same thing he's complaining about me. According to him (and most people in this thread) the ending is completely bad and if you don't agree you obviously don't know anything about story telling.
Considering that most people here think a better ending would be the most generic possible, everyone going home and being happy ever after, with no serious sacrifices, I think I'll just not take you seriously.
The point of the games has always being to entertain the players. As far as I'm concerned, they've succeeded.
Also, It's like he was nitpicking every single frame just to make volume.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. With that level of complaining you could make every second of the series look like it sucks.
Wickerbasket
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The epilogue to the last book in this series read like bad fan fiction. I actually cringed reading it, I wish she'd left it out. I hope that's not the chapter she was talking about.
ur not interested in an argument
but whatever
also the level of backlash is quite telling, players clearly weren't entertained
I don't like his style, but point 3 is spot on with my thoughts. Watching the ME1 intro hurts so much... it was all for... nothing, just why should I bother.
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