Shepard was rebuilt so there's some correlation between that and how many people he kills at the end or something
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Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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Although I am still conflicted about fans trying to effectively change the ending of someone else's story (the precedent it would set, the uniqueness of the ME trilogy), I hate reading these articles that start with "I have not played Mass Effect 3 yet, but...". In most cases, I would say that it is fine to argue a larger point without playing the game, but ME3's ending needs to be experienced to understand where the frustration is coming from. I honestly can't think of another game or narrative that has focused on player choice for roughly 100 hours only to do an about face in the final moments and abandon the central themes of its own narrative.
I don't consider games as art either. I'm still entitled to NOTHING!
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Ah ok, but from my understanding it "bites" on things because it is trying to feed. It doesn't have eyes so I guess anything that would trigger it's trap is game. As far as AI being life, I don't think so. It is an artificial form of life regardless of how intelligent or aware it may be. Which means it has it's limits, it could never go as far as true sentient life.
Actually each of the modified leaves on the venus' flytrap's have a few hairs on them. These hairs, when 2 or more are touched within a specific time period, trigger massive cell growth on the hinges of the traps, causing it to close around whatever touched the hairs. The closing of the leaf triggers secretion of fluids that break down what's inside, and it absorbs whatever nutrients are available.
Now that I'm thinking about it more, part of the reason I don't care to have a do over for the ending is because the moment is already spoiled. It's the ending to a trilogy we followed for years, if you don't get the climatic finale right you can't get a do over, even if you create a new ending that's perfect it won't be as good as if you got it half right in the first place.
That, and it'd take the form of DLC, not an updated release like Blade Runner had.
That, and it'd take the form of DLC, not an updated release like Blade Runner had.
ElectricBlue187
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Also the fact that games are interactive by their very nature completely invalidates the "bbbut Bioware is teh author!" defense
Robot Pants
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Guys, I think I've found my outlet to channel all my ME3 ending rage.
Moving to hating on other games!
I'm a passionate Ninja Gaiden fan, and the amount of shit NG3 is about to take all over the franchise has kept me pretty busy. Haven't had to think too much about this whole ending thing. Try it out.
Moving to hating on other games!
I'm a passionate Ninja Gaiden fan, and the amount of shit NG3 is about to take all over the franchise has kept me pretty busy. Haven't had to think too much about this whole ending thing. Try it out.
WrenchNinja
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If I ever see anyone bitch about George Lucas and the Star Wars prequels and his edits and cultural vandalism again, I will just use the stupid argument in the article.
Empty Space
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Lol whatever helps you feel better.
Ah ok, but from my understanding it "bites" on things because it is trying to feed. It doesn't have eyes so I guess anything that would trigger it's trap is game. As far as AI being life, I don't think so. It is an artificial form of life regardless of how intelligent or aware it may be. Which means it has it's limits, it could never go as far as true sentient life.
What limits? They can evolve just like you or I can through hardware and software changes. The hardware changes are easy to find analogues for, they exist in things like animals developing a toxin to fight off predators the Geth did just just this when the Quarians attacked. The software is a bit harder, because even we don't know if people evolve psychologically. Oh while no the Geth's changes are not brought about by nature acting upon them and the weak being weeded it out its not different from selective breeding which is controlled evolution. Have you seen Gattaca? The people there modify their child's genes before it even born to make the can adapt to the world around and they are most certainly alive.
Terrible comparison.
The word entitled needs to stop being thrown around by the media as a defense for Bioware's terrible writing and overall lazy execution of the game's end sequence. It's embarrassing for this industry and makes me think EA's behind it all.
That's really sad.
Robot Pants
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Yea it really is.
I think that argument only goes so far. For your typical Bioware game, yeah, player control is a significant part of how the story unfolds, but there's others where you DON'T get that kind of control. Nevermind the angle that video games allow that interactivity to be used in a way that couldn't be done in traditional media and thus authorial intent is in full force still, but that works better for something like Shadow of the Colossus's ending than ME3's.
I disagree. Mass Effect is the best Sci-fi property out of any media for the last few years. I like it better than Battlestar Galatica, I like it better than Deus Ex franchise, I even like it better than Babylon 5. This franchise deserve a decent ending. The characters deserve a better ending. I have to go as far back as the William Gibson's Sprawl trilogy to find a Sci-fi universe I love as much as the Mass Effect universe.
I want to recommend the trilogy to my friends. They need to fix the ending.
bigace33
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Yep, I think a do over would be corny. I was so enraged when I first beat the game that I wanted something to ease the pain of such a flop ending. Now that time has passed, I just think it would somehow taint the series even further if they come out and say they are rewriting the ending, unless it was their intention in the first place.
ElectricBlue187
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Yeah I guess I should specify games in which you are asked to play a role and make decisions not completely linear games like Call of Duty
I would have this ending, except with maybe a line to emphasise that all the dreams of the kid you had was an attempt at long-distance indoctrination by Harbinger to sabotage your motivation.
I would trade Traynor for Tali any day of the week for a FemShep romance option. Would have been sooooo good.
I don't know, man. Some of those performers are pretty fucking artistic. Your point has been invalidated.
Then do it, by the time they complete Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, and 90% of Mass Effect 3, maybe it will be fixed. Maybe.
That's definately a good alternate.
I don't have any problems with the space kid, I just have problems with the dialogue. Also adding some cutscenes at the end depending on the flags you triggered you made ingame like unifying the Geth can't be that hard.
What we have now is Shepard going 'Oh, you're the beginning of everything? I'll go blow myself up now without asking questions' is just irritating.
Probably the best way to "fix it" is just to make a new game afterwards and make the best with what's there. Then the universe continues and we get an interesting perspective of just how civilization rebuilds itself after the events of ME3. Replacing the ending would just fall flat though.
I don't like either ideas. Replacing Shepard is going to be hard and a new ending would be really weird considering the game shipped with that and everyone knows what it was once.
I will stick with my wish for a nice epilogue because that's the main problem I have with the ending. What happened?
No it doesn't. Games may be interactive, but you're still working within very fixed parameters; parameters set by, you guessed it, the developer.
It's BioWare's party; if you don't like the dip, get the fuck out.
CharmingCharlie
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So this is how you should now play ME 3. Play it right up till you meet Space Casper, close the game down. Now read this :-
http://arkis.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-3-Alternate-Endings-SPOILERS-289902125
Then after reading that watch this for the Epilogue :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4iNJXrHA_I
You will find that is a much more satisfying experience.
http://arkis.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-3-Alternate-Endings-SPOILERS-289902125
Then after reading that watch this for the Epilogue :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4iNJXrHA_I
You will find that is a much more satisfying experience.
Just read through that deviant art fanfic ending, and I don' think it's much different than my own interpretation of the ending. As I saw it, that's pretty much what Bioware seemed to be going for, they just didn't expand on it, and chose to keep it mysterious so there would be lively discussion in the community afterwards.
If they had simply expanded that scene to include dialog options so Shepard could ask more questions - essentially turning it into a Vigil sequence like in ME1 - it would have been alot better.
The themes of created rebelling against creators is touched upon throughout the game(s) (Geth, Krogan Uplift/genophage, Miranda, Jack, Grunt, EDI) but is never explored deeply enough to make it more obvious to the player that those are the REAL underlying themes they are trying to discuss.
The hints are all there, and in hindsight all that we know about Cerberus leads to the conclusion of TIM's monologue about control at the end. It's just not telegraphed as well as it could have been. I keep seeing discussions, and alot of folks either missed or forgot or completely ignored certain details that would have clued them in a bit better to what was on the horizon.
The sting of the 3 buttons of fate would have been mitigated if we simply were given a bit more time with the godchild to answer questions, and make a more informed choice.
If they had simply expanded that scene to include dialog options so Shepard could ask more questions - essentially turning it into a Vigil sequence like in ME1 - it would have been alot better.
The themes of created rebelling against creators is touched upon throughout the game(s) (Geth, Krogan Uplift/genophage, Miranda, Jack, Grunt, EDI) but is never explored deeply enough to make it more obvious to the player that those are the REAL underlying themes they are trying to discuss.
The hints are all there, and in hindsight all that we know about Cerberus leads to the conclusion of TIM's monologue about control at the end. It's just not telegraphed as well as it could have been. I keep seeing discussions, and alot of folks either missed or forgot or completely ignored certain details that would have clued them in a bit better to what was on the horizon.
The sting of the 3 buttons of fate would have been mitigated if we simply were given a bit more time with the godchild to answer questions, and make a more informed choice.
We're going to get Shepard replaced one way or the other, either prequel games will star new characters, or there'll be a distant sequel that couldn't have Shepard even if he survived the ending. Plus Shepard was always just a player avatar, I'd be sadder over not seeing characters like Wrex or Garrus around.
I thought they made the idiotic decision of not doing any sequels that takes place post ME3.
EmCeeGramr
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Mass Effect Online set in 2618. All the same species are here and act the exact same way, with one or two extra ones. (insert Geth/Krogan/Rachni) are at war again with New Citadel Space, please collect 5 varren teeth for me.
ElectricBlue187
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When you ask the audience to participate in the artwork you cannot say that the product would still exist in the same way without their participation. Hudson just said as much in his latest deflectathon. For that reason, you cannot pick and choose which parts are within and off limits for player participation. It's a door that cannot be unopened.
Shake Appeal
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That is extremely charitable of you.
GrandHarrier
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Lot of game journalists getting really spooked by the idea of Bioware fixing the ending.
@GI_AndyMc
Seriously, if @bioware changes the ending of ME3 because people cry, it's letting a cat out of the bag that can't be returned
@PwamCider
I have to step up again on this. Don't change the ending, @bioware . I haven't even beaten it yet, but you must stand by your creation.
@GI_AndyMc
Seriously, if @bioware changes the ending of ME3 because people cry, it's letting a cat out of the bag that can't be returned
@PwamCider
I have to step up again on this. Don't change the ending, @bioware . I haven't even beaten it yet, but you must stand by your creation.
Hey look, shills full of shit.
ElectricBlue187
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game journalists don't ever finish games so they don't have anything to worry about
Translation: don't render our meaningless as critics if you'll listen to FANS instead of us.
Ugh, seriously? There's a valid point in that even if you think the ending is terrible and needs to be replaced, there's STILL the very real risk that by fixing it with DLC more companies think it'll be OK to just fuck the ending then release a better version later as DLC if people cry enough. I'll take ME3 forever having an awful ending if it means companies get the message to do it right in the first place rather than trying to fix it.
And yeah, there's Broken Steel, but honestly that seemed more of a "fix a blatantly obvious logic flaw and let us keep playing in the world" thing than "give a whole new good ending".
These people are thinking everyone will start doing it for some reason when there's an extremely short list of games/series that people even care this much about. In fact there may not be any others. Maybe the Witcher series and CDPR would just say sorry and release a new ending via free DLC (kind of what they're doing with Witcher 2 actually).
HarryHengst
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I want a different ending and do not think that games are art. What now, mister smartypants?
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HarryHengst
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They are just crying that Forbes of all places does a better job of being games journalist than the entire games journalism sector themselves.
Also :lol at the dude not even having completed the game.
bigace33
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This ending is absolutely what I expected to get. This guy even made sense of the whole ventkid fiasco. Awesome fan made ending.
It's like Mac is just trolling us at this point.
How do you look at that ending and say it's NOT just space magic?
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
OK, so it's fine for developers to change things and listen to the publishers, but not the fans.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Haha. Gaming Journalists.
HarryHengst
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Mac Walters probably lives in a parallel universe than the rest of us do.
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