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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
That's because humans are far less physically and biotically capable than the other races. So they're relegated to front-line fodder in the form of simple husks. It isn't a difficult concept. You Reapify a human, you end up with a husk. You Reapify an Asari (specifically Ardot-Yakshi), you end up with a Banshee.

You huskify a batarian and you get a cannibal??? But you huskify a human biotic...well apparently you dont do that.
 

CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Looking at the ME2 ending and how awesome it was is terrible stuff.

I tried playing ME3 renegade a couple hours ago. Couldn't do it. I was so fucking bored. Has anyone else tried to replay ME3 after seeing all the possible endings? It's SO BORING and unengaging. Compare this to just 3 days ago when I was like "HOLY SHIT THIS IS EPIC"

That's what this ending will do to you.

Doing my Renegade play through now, but it has taken me like a week to get over how bad that ending was and the sour taste it left me with.

Now I just pretend the last 10minutes don't happen and the last scene in the destroy ending is Shepard waking up, indoctrination or whatever else it might have been it allows me to enjoy the game again, lol.
 

McNei1y

Member
I think what pissed me off the most is that they have killed the universe from going forward now, we only have the events before to explore and that really really annoys me.

Yeah I totally agree with this. They could probably find a way around this issue though. A possible solution could be that they somehow repair one mass relay and get launched to the nearest one and do the same thing to each of them.

Or they go many years into the future on the next life cycle and do it all over again!

I think that hypothetical ending you posted could have definitely worked. I just want more Mass Effect backstory but it doesn't seem possible with this ending.
 

LiK

Member
Posted? Co-creator of LOST:

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quoting for new page. too good.
 

inky

Member
So if you do everything perfectly, everyone becomes horrible half robots, the Quarians, Turians, Geth, Krogan, Asari, and Salarians are all stranded in the Sol cluster (Will the Quarians and Turians have to eat each other for sustenance???), the Krogans are stuck on their shithole of a planet, the relays are gone, all those Quarians will never see their homeworld again, Shepard's dead, and Joker runs away like a coward to make horrible half robot babies with his sexy android girlfriend among all the electro leaves on a random planet....

Oh and everyone the Citadel,who you spent the entire game helping and regardless of what you do, dies horribly in a collector base esque meatgrinder. Like Kelly, who after being saved from the base, Cerberus agents and her own possible suicide, becomes goopaste anyway...

What exactly did we win again

Oh, hi there. You are free to speculate about it =)
 

Slair

Member
That's because humans are far less physically and biotically capable than the other races. So they're relegated to front-line fodder in the form of simple husks. It isn't a difficult concept. You Reapify a human, you end up with a husk. You Reapify an Asari (specifically Ardot-Yakshi), you end up with a Banshee.

Didn't samara in 2 say that there were only 3 Ardot-Yakshi and they were all her daughters?
 

Zeliard

Member
You huskify a batarian and you get a cannibal??? But you huskify a human biotic...well apparently you dont do that.

If you don't do that Jack mission she ends up becoming a Cerberus Phantom; would have been fun to see her get Reapified instead and be some powerful Husk.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
Yeah I totally agree with this. They could probably find a way around this issue though. A solution could that they somehow repair one mass relay and get launched to the nearest one and do the same thing to each of them.

Or they go many years into the future on the next life cycle and do it all over again!

I think that hypothetical ending you posted could have definitely worked. I just want more Mass Effect backstory but it doesn't seem possible with this ending.

Or they will fucking retcon the shit out of the thing cause they have done it before. Continuity, wtf is that?
 
I just don't understand some of the renegade choices in these games.

Shepard: "He just did, without his help this war is already over" referring to Anderson, renegade points, Garrus wants you to shoot a bottle so you shoot it, renegade points, James wants to spar, you punch him and he calls it "nice" happily, renegade points.

I understand pressing down usually activates them but it still seems a bit silly.
 

Rufus

Member
Less interesting interrupts all around in this game.

That's because humans are far less physically and biotically capable than the other races. So they're relegated to front-line fodder in the form of simple husks. It isn't a difficult concept. You Reapify a human, you end up with a husk. You Reapify an Asari (specifically Ardot-Yakshi), you end up with a Banshee.
You're making my midnight cereal not sit well, man. Holding you responsible for that. Your reasoning is sound, but you're answering the wrong question.

The original question, paraphrased: How come there are no Asari or Turian or [inser here] 'husks'? There's no reason they couldn't have used regular Asari too, for instance. They'd be less capable perhaps than one derived from an Ardat-Yakshi, as I assume the other Banshees are, but still useful. Ultimately I don't care, but it is something to talk about, I suppose...
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
Didn't samara in 2 say that there were only 3 Ardot-Yakshi and they were all her daughters?

They changed it, especially since there being only 3 sounded stupid. And you dont have to be one to be a banshee. You can have latent genes. Bioware plays fast and loose with biology.
 

CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Wait, if the Collectors are all repurposed Protheans, why does the Collector General look so different?

As far as I know we don't actually know.

Though I would assume seeing as we get one Harbinger collector at a time that he can't control more than one at the same time, maybe the Collector General is specially made so that he can control him during other possessings or he is some kind of entry point into controlling who he wants from so far away.
 

Zeliard

Member
Phantoms are supposed to be Cerberus Reapified biotics. At least that's what happens to Jack if you don't save her.

Wait are those guys Reapified? Thought they were basically just indoctrinated Cerberus agents.

You're making my midnight cereal not sit well, man. Holding you responsible for that. Your reasoning is sound, but you're answering the wrong question.

The original question, paraphrased: How come there are no Asari or Turian or [inser here] 'husks'? There's no reason they couldn't have used regular Asari too, for instance. They'd be less capable perhaps than one derived from an Ardat-Yakshi, as I assume the other Banshees are, but still useful. Ultimately I don't care, but it is something to talk about, I suppose...

Haha it's all good <3

The spoilers threads have basically ran through every little Mass Effect concept and then back again. :p

But aren't all the banshee's Ardot-Yakshi?

Yeah but it notes that 1% of all Asari are Ardat-Yakshi.

Samara's three are just supposed to be particularly deadly ones, or something.

I dunno. Bioware logic. :p
 

Gestahl

Member
I just, in my wildest dreams I could have never imagined one single ending could render literally 100 hours of gameplay meaningless in such a profound and deeply depressing way...

But I guess it got LOTS OF SPECULATION so success
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
You're making my midnight cereal not sit well, man. Holding you responsible for that. Your reasoning is sound, but you're answering the wrong question.

The original question, paraphrased: How come there are no Asari or Turian or [inser here] 'husks'? There's no reason they couldn't have used regular Asari too, for instance. They'd be less capable perhaps than one derived from an Ardat-Yakshi, as I assume the other Banshees are, but still useful. Ultimately I don't care, but it is something to talk about, I suppose...

I know the answer to my questions (the answer is they didnt fucking care) but I'm asking them cause its funny to think about.
 

McNei1y

Member
Or they will fucking retcon the shit out of the thing cause they have done it before. Continuity, wtf is that?

hahah you're right. but they put themselves in their own mess so if they want to please the fanbase and retcon what happened then they better find a great way to do that.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
As far as I know we don't actually know.

Though I would assume seeing as we get one Harbinger collector at a time that he can't control more than one at the same time, maybe the Collector General is specially made so that he can control him during other possessings or he is some kind of entry point into controlling who he wants from so far away.

Must resist bringing up Reaper/Keeper/citadel signal continuity snarl.
 

Rufus

Member
No they can be active. Thats why they went to the monastry and why there is a banshee called Morinth on Earth if you save her (how do you know though?)
Good question. Phantom-Jack talks to you, Morinth acts like all the other Banshees, from what I've heard.
 

Tokubetsu

Member
What makes them non lethal compared with samara's daughters? Is this in the codex, 'cause i didn't bother reading the codex in 3?

All are dangerous, at best they might put you in a coma, or damage your central nervous system, at worst, it's fatal. I believe they also get more powerful after each one or something like that. So even "non-lethal" ones need to be separated from the population.
 

Zeliard

Member
Good question. Phantom-Jack talks to you, Morinth acts like all the other Banshees, from what I've heard.

She does. I had her in my game. It was pretty lame. Nothing different at all about her except it just says "Morinth" above her health bar. She wasn't even any more difficult than the others.

The only other contact you have with her is she sends you an e-mail.
 
Wait are those guys Reapified? Thought they were basically just indoctrinated Cerberus agents.

From what I gathered all Cerberus troops by this point had begun receiving Reaper implants. Not sure if you saw the Jack bit, but basically you hear someone say he is going to tear her apart, she screams, and later you fight her as a Phantom. Seeing it was quick and painful, I would imagine its some sort of forced enhancement, much like the soldier you see on Mars.
 

rdrr gnr

Member
So, I've been on a ME3 blackout since the game was announced. I was low on funds and short on time until this past weekend (three day weekend + being sick) and I finished the game. I noticed how huge the spoiler thread had gotten and was curious as to why. I kept hearing people say "the ending" as if it were singular and made nothing of it. Yet, there I was with three options to choose from. I went with the middle one, completely intending to play the game again -- until literally 10 minutes ago. Until a friend and fellow GAFfer told me that he had looked up the other two endings. I literally have my second playthrough paused in disgust as I type this. I CANNOT EVEN FATHOM HOW THIS WAS ACCEPTABLE. I'm going to have a fucking aneurysm.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
She does. I had her in my game. It was pretty lame. Nothing different at all about her except it just says "Morinth" above her health bar. She wasn't even any more difficult than the others.

The only other contact you have with her is she sends you an e-mail.

Because no one in their right mind would side with her so they didnt care.
 

Zeliard

Member
From what I gathered all Cerberus troops by this point had begun receiving Reaper implants. Not sure if you saw the Jack bit, but basically you hear someone say he is going to tear her apart, she screams, and later you fight her as a Phantom. Seeing it was quick and painful, I would imagine its some sort of forced enhancement, much like the soldier you see on Mars.

Ah yeah that's probably true. I did the Jack mission in my game so I just watched some clip on youtube of Phantom Jack attacking the player.
 

rozay

Banned
You don't fight a whole lot of banshees in game but they gave themselves leeway in the Codex:
Banshees are created specifically from asari with active or latent predispositions to becoming Ardat-Yakshi.
What they do with the rest of the asari I have no idea.
So, I've been on a ME3 blackout since the game was announced. I was low on funds and short on time until this past weekend (three day weekend + being sick) and I finished the game. I noticed how huge the spoiler thread had gotten and was curious as to why. I kept hearing people say "the ending" as if it were singular and made nothing of it. Yet, there I was with three options to choose from. I went with the middle one, completely intending to play the game again -- until literally 10 minutes ago. Until a friend and fellow GAFfer told me that he had looked up the other two endings. I literally have my second playthrough paused in disgust as I type this. I CANNOT EVEN FATHOM HOW THIS WAS ACCEPTABLE.
It kind of sucked away all of the good feelings I had running through the game. Normally I would've jumped straight into NG+ or a different file but I had to wait a few days to go through the 5 stages of grief before starting it, and I still haven't found the spirit to complete it.
 
Man, this thread is moving.

So watching the ME2 ending again brings to mind that until a few days ago, I had no idea why Mordin would keep dying until I sent him as the escort on my very first attempt at the Suicide Mission over two years ago. Defense value? The fuck...

ME3 Insanity isn't even as hard as ME2 Hardcore, and may be about the same as ME2 Veteran. You can min/max in this game and the controls are better and the enemies don't have as many layers of protection. Though their AI seems to be improved, they're easier to kill and don't infinitely respawn at times.

I'm actually enjoying replaying ME3 a lot, because the file I imported this time (all Paragon through both previous games) is a lot better than the first one (all Renegade). Maybe that's why the ending didn't affect me as much. I already had bummer outcomes throughout my first playthrough. If everything was working out as beautifully as things are this time around, I might have had hope.

I don't understand how you can play the game and not know what Banshees are. They're just about the only Reaper monstrosity they bothered explaining. Do people really skip missions like the Monastery?
 
I dont think they had this trilogy planned out from a story or design point of view, its pretty common knowledge that the Protheans drastically changed in appearance between ME1-ME2 and their is so many plot holes building to this endings it like ME1-ME2 they just made the reapers sound cool and mysterious but they got to ME3 and had NO FUCKING CLUE how to give them a conclusion and thus invented a space ghost child AI to solve everything.

I cant help but see plot holes or things that dont make sense everywhere i look in the lore of the universe.

They obviously didnt have a conclusion to the reaper threat conceived and thus made something terrible up at the end.

And what the hell is the child thing about, Shepard lost squadmates and stuff and yet he cares about one single child he met for 5 seconds and that child id somehow exactly the same as the starchild...
 

Slair

Member
Seems like bioware didn't think this through and thought, "we need boss enemies for multi, lets just retcon shit and maybe people wont notice we didn't think about any of this while we were making the lore for the previous games"
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
Its kind ridiculous you can nearly max everything. I remember actually having to choose a bit more carefully in 2. Its like they decided that because they added a few minor branches to each power it was too much choice and so you can get everything.
 
So, I've been on a ME3 blackout since the game was announced. I was low on funds and short on time until this past weekend (three day weekend + being sick) and I finished the game. I noticed how huge the spoiler thread had gotten and was curious as to why. I kept hearing people say "the ending" as if it were singular and made nothing of it. Yet, there I was with three options to choose from. I went with the middle one, completely intending to play the game again -- until literally 10 minutes ago. Until a friend and fellow GAFfer told me that he had looked up the other two endings. I literally have my second playthrough paused in disgust as I type this. I CANNOT EVEN FATHOM HOW THIS WAS ACCEPTABLE. I'm going to have a fucking aneurysm.

Welcome to the club.
 

Tokubetsu

Member
I dont think they had this trilogy planned out from a story or design point of view, its pretty common knowledge that the Protheans drastically changed in appearance between ME1-ME2 and their is so many plot holes building to this endings it like ME1-ME2 they just made the reapers sound cool and mysterious but they got to ME3 and had NO FUCKING CLUE how to give them a conclusion and thus invented a space ghost child AI to solve everything.

I cant help but see plot holes or things that dont make sense everywhere i look in the lore of the universe.

They obviously didnt have a conclusion to the reaper threat conceived and thus made something terrible up at the end.

And what the hell is the child thing about, Shepard lost squadmates and stuff and yet he cares about one single child he met for 5 seconds and that child id somehow exactly the same as the starchild...


It's just lazy when it comes down to it. I doubt Bungie had so many Halo games in mind going into the first one but at least they had the foresight to sit down, and try to actually hammer out a "bible" and the nitty gritty of the universe. You'd think a company that's known for story driven role-playing games would have put in at least half as much effort but I guess not.
 
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