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Mass Effect |OT| Alien love in an elevator
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Masta_Killah
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andrewfee said:
It isn't. I don't need to do the optional sidequest and the enemies appear only once in a battle. After defeating them, they don't respawn. And unlike other rpgs, I don't have to always battle to gain xp. Talking to people nets xp as well.
I think Che is trying to say that in no point in the game do you become stuck and are forced to grind and level up. Even Noveria, where many people had problems with the boss, doesn't require grinding. It just takes patience and some strategy to clear it.
Oni Link 666
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andrewfee said:
The enemies don't respawn though. You're not going into the same room killing the same enemies. Just because the graphics look the same doesn't mean it's grinding. By your definition, Halo is nothing but a huge grindfest.
PepsimanVsJoe
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andrewfee said:
I can see where this is going and I will have no part in it.
Masta_Killah
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Jirotrom said:
You have to force either the hanar or the officer to back down. There is no key that you can get/buy. You'll need a intimidate/charm level of 7/6. Wait till you're a spectre to finish the mission. I left it alone and came back after doing 2 main planets.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
andrewfee said:
I totally agree. Driving around a planet looking for those ? and ! points was essentially grinding, especially since they were exactly the same. The fact that all the bases on those planets had the exact same layout didn't help as well.
Gamer @ Heart
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.....31 hours....and i did every quest and planet i could find....
To be honest i was slightly disspointed. The only intresting places where the 5 story areas. Before this game came out, I had no idea how they could fit the game into one dvd based off all the reports and hype, now i know why. Still enjoyed it though. Put all 31 hours in since sunday night. Now i can finnaly play mario galaxy.
To be honest i was slightly disspointed. The only intresting places where the 5 story areas. Before this game came out, I had no idea how they could fit the game into one dvd based off all the reports and hype, now i know why. Still enjoyed it though. Put all 31 hours in since sunday night. Now i can finnaly play mario galaxy.
Masta_Killah
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Phthisis said:
:lol shit you're right. I was just reading what the guide said.Totally forgot that I did it the same way.
I'm actually surprised at this, I thought most people's experience would be the same as mine. So far I've been to 10+ planets, and I've only seen three different kinds of area. (I want to apologise, as I rushed things and these pictures turned out terrible)Fusebox said:
Underground base:
Run through a tunnel like this into a small room:
Which has a tunnel leading into a bigger room with crates
though on the Admiral Kahoku mission it was very slightly changed
So far, I must have had at least 6/7 of these in a row from the last planets I've been to.
"Dig site" (these pictures are way too dark, sorry)
Dark tunnel leading down:
Into a small entrance room:
Which has a tunnel leading to the room with enemies and crates:
This room then has two tiny "item box" rooms branching off. I had two of these on the first two planets I visited.
And then the final base type I've seen:
Just one big, two-tiered room, with crates and explosives:
Done this one 2/3 times as well.
And it's not just been the bases either - every planet I've been to has been almost identical. Blue barren wasteland with one base, a crashed object/trap, a mummy/artefact, 2/3 minerals and possibly a thresher maw is exactly the same as red/yellow/snowy/grey/etc barren wasteland with one base, a crashed object/trap, a mummy/artefact, 2/3 minerals and possibly a thresher maw.
So far, only the main story planets have been different (I hear there are only five of them) the rest may as well have been randomly generated. (given the terrain on some I've come across, I hope they were)
AndersTheSwede
Member
I've found that multiple play through's with different classes are kind of diluted thanks to the skill wheel. It makes the experience of using your party members skills exactly like that of your own, so even if you play as a soldier you have extensive experience using the biotics and tech skills of your party members.
There are still plenty of reasons to replay the game (game+, different solutions, male/female) but if you go through the game once with a balanced party (as you should) then you've pretty much already experienced all the skills and what its like to use them.
There are still plenty of reasons to replay the game (game+, different solutions, male/female) but if you go through the game once with a balanced party (as you should) then you've pretty much already experienced all the skills and what its like to use them.
Masta_Killah
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andrewfee said:
The stages are still different though. I know what you're trying to say, but they are not identical. If they were identical, they'd have the same exact layout every single time. Also, try absorbing the little stories you get from doing the side stories. What makes the side missions worth it is that you get a better understanding of the universe Bioware has created. If you just want to fight your way through, then don't even bother with the sidequest. The only reason why you should be doing the side missions is to get more information on the main mission. Trying to get weapons or gain a higher level is pointless, since you get plenty of those during the main mission. The only sidequest that you may need to do is the Lunas one, and that's only if you want an easier time. Other then that, stick to the main quest and just enjoy the awesome story.
Edit: What you're trying to say is that the side missions lack variety, not that they are identical.
Digital Limit
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Subarushian said:
Maybe if you play as Soldier on your first playthrough.
However, if you're limited by your weapon choice (see: most everyone plays as Vanguard, so everyone), then playing through the second time as an Infiltrator or a Soldier offers a different experience. And honestly, a lot of the time teammates aren't where you want them to be, so having direct control does offer a much more refined experience. Hell, Force Push--erm, "Throw"ing enemies yourself is far more satisfying than having Liara do it for you.
But yeah, silly point to argue. Game is gudd. Play it!
They are the exact same layout every time. The only exception to that has beenMasta_Killah said:
the Admiral Kahoku mission, where the middle of the big room had a barrier around it
I've read all the planet descriptions / codex stuff so far, but I'm really disappointed with the lack of variety in the actual gameplay.
Digital Limit
Member
Andrew is right on the money.
That said, I don't mind "replaying" those sections at all.
The good in this game does a great job of masking the bad.
That said, I don't mind "replaying" those sections at all.
The good in this game does a great job of masking the bad.
Masta_Killah
Member
andrewfee said:
ugh, there's no point in arguing anymore. Just avoid the side missions and stick with the main story.
If you want to see how different the gameplay is, go with a class that doesn't make you into a super soldier. Try the bio/tech centric classes and raise up the difficulty. Then you'll see a difference.
Vyse The Legend
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Masta_Killah said:
No need for an argument. ME's biggest flaw is its sidequests. They are interesting solely for the backstories and narrative they provide. However, actually doing them can feel highly repetitive, because most are structured the exact same way and the uncharted worlds are little more than pallete swaps with seemingly (but not actually) randomized terrain.
That said, ME's pros far, far outweigh its cons. I only hope ME offers more unique planets, because I want to see more of the ME universe. I've fallen in love with it.
What they should have done is left out the voiceover for the main codex entries and used that space to construct additional side-quest mission environments. It wasn't that the side-quests were the same; they were actually very diverse. They just suffered from repetitive environment recycling.
I also hope that in the sequel BioWare cuts down on the number of uncharted worlds (since we've presumably seen most of them in the first game) and instead increases the size of some of the game's cities. The Citadel wards section should have been much bigger, HUGE even, considering the view you get the supposed millions of people that inhabited the space.
I love the game so much despite those issues, though.
I also hope that in the sequel BioWare cuts down on the number of uncharted worlds (since we've presumably seen most of them in the first game) and instead increases the size of some of the game's cities. The Citadel wards section should have been much bigger, HUGE even, considering the view you get the supposed millions of people that inhabited the space.
I love the game so much despite those issues, though.
buckfutter
Member
I agree with Andrew. I still really, really like the game, but nothing structurally sets it apart from what's come before, and Planescape/Fallout e.t.c. still shit on it from a great height. I'll probably forget most of my concerns when I stop arsing about exploring the galaxy and get back to the story missions.
Phthisis said:
Yeah I'd much rather see earth/mars/alien worlds as non-story worlds than another 20 barren planets...they are nice, but even if they had 100 different tilesets instead of the 5-10 it would still just be driving around a barren map for 10 minutes.
Hopefully DLC will provide.
Vyse The Legend said:No need for an argument. ME's biggest flaw is its sidequests. They are interesting solely for the backstories and narrative they provide. However, actually doing them can feel highly repetitive, because most are structured the exact same way and the uncharted worlds are little more than pallete swaps with seemingly (but not actually) randomized terrain.
That said, ME's pros far, far outweigh its cons. I only hope ME offers more unique planets, because I want to see more of the ME universe. I've fallen in love with it.
Well, then I'm glad I hardly did any of the sidequests. I did a few here and there that seemed convenient and interesting, but for the most part, I was too enthralled with the main story to stop seeing where it would lead next. Plus, the sidequests are a bit immersion breaking. The entire main storyline is like a race against time, but yet you can go off at your leisure at any time and spend a few months diddling around on planets in the middle of nowhere.
I'll dig through some of the sidequests if I venture another playthrough to see the other story arcs tied up, but the main story was good enough to put this one at or near the top of my GOTY list.
Twicenightly
Member
Can anyone help me with this bit please? I assume it's near the end so don't read if you haven't finished the game....
Thanks guys!!
Love this game!!
I'm at the bit where Saren just closed the Citadel and a spaceship got through and is grappling at the end of a long platform. I broke out of the lift and am now heading towards it. I got to this bit where there is a whole platform of these enemy rocket turrets and I can't seem to do anything to destroy them?
The platform is a bit too big to run past them too so I don't know how to get past them?
The platform is a bit too big to run past them too so I don't know how to get past them?
Thanks guys!!
Love this game!!
Twicenightly said:Can anyone help me with this bit please? I assume it's near the end so don't read if you haven't finished the game....
I'm at the bit where Saren just closed the Citadel and a spaceship got through and is grappling at the end of a long platform. I broke out of the lift and am now heading towards it. I got to this bit where there is a whole platform of these enemy rocket turrets and I can't seem to do anything to destroy them?
The platform is a bit too big to run past them too so I don't know how to get past them?
Thanks guys!!
Love this game!!
You have to destroy them. Use cover and don't expose yourself too long, but they can be destroyed.
RubberJohnny
Banned
Have you found any deserted freighters yet? They're essentially the same.
Twicenightly
Member
Brashnir said:
Thanks Brashnir, they don't show up with a Red aiming reticule around them, is that just because I'm not close enough or do they just not do it?
Bebpo said:
Yeah but you are missing the point, i never played DQ ever, but if it's anything like FF (which i like, even though with each passing iteration i find myself having more and more trouble actually finishing the game), then you aren't really roleplaying. For me J.RPGs aren't really RPgs, they are adventure games with "rpg combat".
Because you can't really tell me that you are indeed role-playing in FF, because...you are most definitily not. You are just there along for the ride, and your job is to get through grindfests just so you can dreaking beat 3 bosses in a row to watch a cutcene.
CriscoDisco
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I'm trying my best to play the game as a renegade but every time I do something remotely nice, (even if I was only doing it expecting to be able to intimidate the person into paying me lots of money) I get a ton of paragon points. If I do something real prickish, I hardly get any renegade points.
I'm halfway through the Feros planet and I'm about equal parts renegade and paragon. How much of an impact do those have on the game later on? I really haven't had to make any life changing decisions yet.
I'm halfway through the Feros planet and I'm about equal parts renegade and paragon. How much of an impact do those have on the game later on? I really haven't had to make any life changing decisions yet.
I don't understand those arguing with you as you ARE correct. I just don't see it as game breaking.andrewfee said:
Mass Effect RAWK
Not another RPG semantics bullshit argument. That's why we call them jRPGs and wRPGs/CRPGs, to seperate between the two larger subsets of the genre.WrikaWrek said:
Hell, if role playing is the only way to consider a game a RPG, then the last two Elder Scrolls games are the ONLY rpgs I've ever played in my life. It's an antiquated term and doesn't mean what it literally says. That's all.
I was just sayin....why exactly Mass Effect has advanced the role playing genre.
And for me this is what a true RPG is. I'm not bashing "J.RPGs" at all, i like them, i just don't consider them much of RPGs, that's all.
When are people going to release guides on character creation? I wanna make some famous people.
And for me this is what a true RPG is. I'm not bashing "J.RPGs" at all, i like them, i just don't consider them much of RPGs, that's all.
When are people going to release guides on character creation? I wanna make some famous people.
Twicenightly
Member
Brashnir said:
Thanks! I'll give it a go!
fistwell_old
Member
Yeah, i'm with u on that one. I'm disappointed they copied and pasted so much stuff for the side quests. Planets are empty and dull. There is some sort of story attached to each side quest but... it's not like they made it interesting. And, yeah, it does feel like grinding to me. I cant help but not give a crap whatandrewfee said:
cerberus
random crime lord dude A
So yeah, i dont play the sidequests cause i'm interested in seeing what'll happen. I play them for loot/xp. Some parts of it r downright annoying (mako, or
12 hundred rocket sentinel drones
Play it for xp/loot + not much in the way of story telling. Sounds like grinding to me.
Then again, if u do actually care about
killing crime lord B
IronicallyTwisted
Banned
CriscoDisco said:
Its not a see saw system. Paragon points have no bearing on Renegade points, really, except in situations where you are trading one for the other.
IronicallyTwisted
Banned
Gattsu25 said:
Err no. Simply doing many side quests gives you paragon points with no potential for renegade points.
Edit: Wait, what?
firehawk12 said:
Hit the "Start" button, go to "Maps", and it will show you all the key locations on the planet you're on (except hidden things like minerals). Then you can set even set waypoints on that map, to give you a little arrow where to drive. If you knew all this already I apologize, but the way you phrased it indicated you didn't.
kirbybreezy
Member
beat the game last night, and I now realize my time with Mass Effect is just beginning. I can see myself playing through at least 3-4 more times in the immediate future to get all the achievements and try different things.
For those of you who haven't beat it yet I would like to make a suggestion. This first part is not a spolier, it only includes a planet's name and nothing else but I will tag it regardless.
This second part is a spoiler for anyone not near the end of the game.
For those of you who haven't beat it yet I would like to make a suggestion. This first part is not a spolier, it only includes a planet's name and nothing else but I will tag it regardless.
When you get to Illos, do not use the Mako to travel
This second part is a spoiler for anyone not near the end of the game.
When the door to Illos was opened for some reason I ran past the Mako and into the Great Archive Halls on foot. The sense of scale is mind boggling and the archives go on for what seems like over a game mile. I actually physically walked it, taking it all in, the running water, the light from above, and the hundreds of capsules which you find out were for the Prothean.
Too often in games you never get to just experience something like that. Just walk through an environment and not be shaken out of the wonder of it all by the obligatory "enemy encounter"/ choke point, for a theater of war.
Turns out you need the Mako eventually to make the long drop later on and I had to jog back and get it. But I wasn't even in the least bit angry I had to do this or mad at myself or the game for having to backtrack the mile back to get the Mako. Driving through the same space that had just so enthralled me on foot with the Mako made it just another set peice, a means to an end.
This was my favorite part of the game and I could have missed it had I played "normally". In fact I know some may not even see it as that big of a deal as they zoomed through on the Mako in the first place.
But trust me, on foot, the Archives were breathtaking.
Too often in games you never get to just experience something like that. Just walk through an environment and not be shaken out of the wonder of it all by the obligatory "enemy encounter"/ choke point, for a theater of war.
Turns out you need the Mako eventually to make the long drop later on and I had to jog back and get it. But I wasn't even in the least bit angry I had to do this or mad at myself or the game for having to backtrack the mile back to get the Mako. Driving through the same space that had just so enthralled me on foot with the Mako made it just another set peice, a means to an end.
This was my favorite part of the game and I could have missed it had I played "normally". In fact I know some may not even see it as that big of a deal as they zoomed through on the Mako in the first place.
But trust me, on foot, the Archives were breathtaking.
InZaneFlea
Member
I was hoping to scan Mars or Earth or something -.- Oh well. So far, the games been great, nearing 20 hours in!
Just beat it with a completionist. I did every sidequest I got until I did
. Which means I did every sidequest I got during my visits of
. Got Tactician, Pistol, Love Affair and some other achievements too. I will replay it in the near future as a Soldier or Vanguard on hard, but not right now.
I have to say, the end had me absolutely awed. All the way from
Mad props to Bioware for writing a fitting and exciting end.
Virmire
Citadel, Feros, Liara's planet and Noveria
I have to say, the end had me absolutely awed. All the way from
Ilos to Saren's defeat, uprising and defeat again was breathtaking. I also love how they set everything up for more games, yet keep the first game a rounded off affair.
Mad props to Bioware for writing a fitting and exciting end.