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[Madflavor]

I live about 16 miles from BU. Really sad, and kinda scary they still haven't caught the shooter(s).

 

[JayK47]

Still at large? How do they even get away?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

When most your citizens are packing heat and some automatic weapons, you need to escalate your law enforcement response. I don't recall that being too much an issue at the arena, but Bills games yes. Canadian's aren't packing much heat.

You'll see them on those streets going north from the arena as that's where we'd park from, or we'd take the free tram. As for Bills, I've only been to I think 1 bills game in my life. Never noticed it or looked for it. We parked in the grassy fields on some guys house on that residential street where everyone else is doing it.

But for Sabres I go to 1-2 games a year and they are always there. A soldier standing in front of a small armoured vehicle both in matching tan/beige camo eyeballs everyone who walks by.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Open mental asylums and give stronger sentences for crimes.

This doesn't really have much to do with the typical "mass shooter." They aren't people who would ever have been committed and they aren't revolving door criminals.

 

[Ozzie666]

You'll see them on those streets going north from the arena as that's where we'd park from, or we'd take the free tram. As for Bills, I've only been to I think 1 bills game in my life. Never noticed it or looked for it. We parked in the grassy fields on some guys house on that residential street where everyone else is doing it.

But for Sabres I go to 1-2 games a year and they are always there. A soldier standing in front of a small armoured vehicle both in matching tan/beige camo eyeballs everyone who walks by.

If I was a sabre's fan I'd be on edge too, emotional and mentally challeneged too!

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Well, we have never had an event like this in portugal. I actually have never seen a gun outside the hands of law enforcement forces or military.
So, maybe banning weapons is the solution.

Fuck off.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

December 13, 8:28pm:

BrownUAlert: The Brown campus continues to be in lockdown, and it is imperative that all members of our community remain sheltered in place. This means keeping all doors locked and ensuring no movement across campus. The law enforcement response remains ongoing. Safety is the utmost and essential priority.

 

[Senua]

Fuck off.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

We need more guns and less control.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

It is not. The US has existed for 250 years with the same gun culture since the nation was founded but mass shootings didn't become a real problem until the last 20 or so years. This coincides with a number of changes to how crime is punished and mental health treatment is no longer required or involves mandatory confinement

What I'm saying is the guns have been here all along but the mass shootings only became a problem more recently, so maybe let's understand why and fix what caused those to happen

I understand this, but precisely due to the reasons you say, laws can't remain the same because the society in which those laws were conceived has changed altogether. I don't mean weapons should be banned, but it's clear as day that people with mental issues should not have the right to purchase a weapon of any caliber.

 

[Senua]

We need more guns and less control.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Well, we have never had an event like this in portugal. I actually have never seen a gun outside the hands of law enforcement forces or military.
So, maybe banning weapons is the solution.

Will never work

 

[Liljagare]

RIP, when are some folks going to realize easy access to firearms means they *will* be used?

Folks think they are a solution to a problem nowadays, for reasons unknown, and they are ok to use, to solve issues. Very few places have such a ingrained mentality when it comes to firearms. Get in a fight? Pull your gun! Someone strange knocks on your door, use your gun! Wierdo walking on your property? Use your gun! Someone insulted you? Use a gun! Feel insulted and out of place? Use a gun! Unsure when this all started, in the 70's, or so? What changed in the last 250 years, people ask? Media coverage, ands news coverage. Guns are cool and needed.

It is such a mental dissasociation, from fists or knives, swords, to guns, this only exist in a few select nations... Australia had similar issues, they fixed it. :\

I wouldn't worry about gangbangers in theese sort of places, but the crazy one who could buy a gun, go out and shoot people, no background check required, police has no say on the weapon license, no checks or training required at all. You can in some places get quite a nice arsenal, in days. No checks, or oversight, it's a free for all.

Result:

 

[Moneal]

RIP, when are some folks going to realize easy access to firearms means they *will* be used?

Folks think they are a solution to a problem nowadays, for reasons unknown, and they are ok to use, to solve issues. Very few places have such a ingrained mentality when it comes to firearms. Get in a fight? Pull your gun! Someone strange knocks on your door, use your gun! Wierdo walking on your property? Use your gun! Someone insulted you? Use a gun! Feel insulted and out of place? Use a gun! Unsure when this all started, in the 70's, or so? What changed in the last 250 years, people ask? Media coverage, ands news coverage. Guns are cool and needed.

It is such a mental dissasociation, from fists or knives, swords, to guns, this only exist in a few select nations... Australia had similar issues, they fixed it. :\

I wouldn't worry about gangbangers in theese sort of places, but the crazy one who could buy a gun, go out and shoot people, no background check required, police has no say on the weapon license, no checks or training required at all. You can in some places get quite a nice arsenal, in days. No checks, or oversight, it's a free for all.

Result:

Rhode Island requires background checks on all firearm sales, including private owner sales, a 7 day waiting period is also required. A license, called a Blue Card, is required to purchase a handgun and all ammunition. Somneone must complete and pass a safety exam managed by the RI Department of Environmental Management to be issued a Blue Card.

Gun laws in Rhode Island - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DrFigs]

Rhode Island requires background checks on all firearm sales, including private owner sales, a 7 day waiting period is also required. A license, called a Blue Card, is required to purchase a handgun and all ammunition. Somneone must complete and pass a safety exam managed by the RI Department of Environmental Management to be issued a Blue Card.

Gun laws in Rhode Island - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah i don't think that gun control is the solution to these types of crimes. Guns have been legal in this country for a very long time, and it's only been in the last decades that mass shootings have been an issue.

 

[newtypepilot]

something something thoughts and prayers
clearly video games' fault.


RIP to all the victims

 

[EviLore]

Suspect still at large.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Kilau]

Supposedly over 800 cameras on that campus and this is what they got?

 

[analog_future]

We need more guns and less control.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Supposedly over 800 cameras on that campus and this is what they got?

This whole thing has been a cluster fuck

All those heavily armed police standing around in large groups while kids are still barricaded in gyms and libraries?

And yeah all these cameras and this is what you have and no video of them coming in or out of the building or while inside?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Supposedly over 800 cameras on that campus and this is what they got?

This whole thing has been a cluster fuck

All those heavily armed police standing around in large groups while kids are still barricaded in gyms and libraries?

And yeah all these cameras and this is what you have and no video of them coming in or out of the building or while inside?

I bet a lot of those cameras dont even work.

My old company had cameras everywhere. A bunch on the outside of the building and lobby. Not sure if they even had any indoor ones. I never bothered looking or caring. But for the outside ones the facilty manager even told us they dont even work. They got that black glass shell so you'd expect there to be working cams. But he said they dont work. Inside of those glass casings, there probably arent even any cams in them. lol

 

[EviLore]

 

[calico]

Was this another 'gun free zone'?

There can't be too many of this type of mass shooting event where the perpetrator has evaded capture (or death) for so long. Feels like there might be more to this one than there usually is.

 

[Dacvak]

I am not. I'm merely stating facts which contradict your position on gun control

I'm going to be honest here. The US owns 50% of the world's guns held by civilians, the aforementioned 400 million or so. Which is more than the population of the whole country. If guns were directly correlated to crime, then the US must surely have 50% of the world's crime? Well, it doesn't. Not even close. So clearly the presence of guns has little to do with the presence of crime? Maybe there are other factors involved?

About 32% of Americans own at least 1 gun. Roughly 43% of Americans live in a household with a gun. That's nearly half of all Americans, living in a household with a gun. And yet while it is true that America has mass shootings, in other countries instead of mass shootings they have mass casualty attacks caused by car rammings. This is especially a problem in Europe. In fact Europe has car ramming mass casualty attacks more often than America has mass shootings. So is the solution "car control"? Should we start banning cars to prevent these attacks?

America is the world's most wealthy and economically successful country because of its unique culture of individualism, freedom, and ambition. Part of that culture since founding is the right for ordinary citizens to own firearms with few restrictions. The US is the only country on Earth which codifies the right to bear arms into its founding document. The Founding Fathers were quite explicit when they stated the right to bear arms is critical to the maintenance of a free democratic state, even with all the drawbacks of ordinary citizens having weapons of war. Look at the governmental structure of China, the current superpower which compete with he US, for an example otherwise. Look at what is happening in Europe for an example of what happens when citizens have zero power to check the government's power. The US is also the country responsible for 25% of the world's GDP. This is not coincidence. American exceptionalism exists because of the nation's ideals which are quite different from almost every other nation on the Earth and it happens that part of these ideals also involves citizens owning firearms

I'm not going to say much more because I don't want to be banned today but the reality is America is what it is because of it's founding ideals, one of which happens to be enshrinement of the US Second Amendment. 250 years later, the unique US gun culture remains as strong as it was since the nation was founded. If you think the 32% of Americans, fully 1 in 3, who own guns will just willingly arbitrarily give them up when firearms ownership is such an integral part of the nation's culture then I have some cheap bridges to sell you. So maybe we should look for real solutions to the problem of mass shootings?

The culture has remained the same, yes. But the technology of firearms has changed drastically.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

As an avid gun owner I don't even know what the answer is to stop this now with the huge number of guns and violent people on our streets

So there is a problem, so let's do nothing to solve the problem, because there is already a problem.

You know the answer, you just don't like it.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

America is the world's most wealthy and economically successful country because of its unique culture of individualism, freedom, and ambition. Part of that culture since founding is the right for ordinary citizens to own firearms with few restrictions.

Absolutely rubbish take with no basis in reality, but that won't stop you.

Economically successful country - if you count GDP, yes. However your society has massive income inequality and tens of millions of people survive on food stamps. I would take a few % less for billionaires to hold if that means, you know - tens of millions of people do not starve.

What you forget because MURICA was the impact of two WORLD WARS on the whole world. Let's see - where was it fought?

Europe
Africa
Asia

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, something is missing from this list…..

You know what the US did? They gave loans to every country during the war, then they collected the interest for 50 years afterwards. Also- you wouldn't even have a country if the French didn't give the US loans during the War for Independence that subsequently bankrupted the French treasury and directly contributed to the French Revolution.

So please read about the US instead of being feed "oh, America is so unique snowflake" BS they teach you at school.

 

[calico]

The 'solution' they really want is going to give the US far bigger problems than the problem it is ostensibly intended to address. Don't give them an inch.

 

[HoodWinked]

the European pastime of shitting on the US

 

[Dr. Suchong]

something something thoughts and prayers
clearly video games' fault.


RIP to all the victims

Another candlelit vigil, attack will be condemned, "Something Must be done!!" a week will pass, apathy sets in, the cycle begins anew.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

the European pastime of shitting on the US

Last few weeks beg to differ with the leaks of trumps plans and his constant bashing.

 

[Three]

the European pastime of shitting on the US

Could have fooled me with the US fascination on UK/France public affairs and continuous "shitting on".

Nobody is really shitting on the US here at all, nor calling it a "failed state" or whatever. They're just giving their condolences and discussing the usual gun laws to stop this from happening like every other month it happens. If this was the UK or France where a bunch of innocent people were killed you know the discussion would be a shitshow from some US counterparts, let's not pretend otherwise.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Of course not. Other countries also have guns with civilians.
But they are restricted and controlled.

Ask yourself about the pro rata gun crime in Switzerland and the absolute arsenal the average Swiss person has at home. Calling it restricted is a bit of a joke considering the kind of weaponry they have. Good luck at invading Switzerland with missile launchers in the mountains, a trained and heavily armed population, tons of nuclear calibre shelters, and a mountainous and woods covered region locals know well…

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

Switzerland hasn't had a mass shooting since 2001, when a man stormed the local parliament in Zug, killing 14 people and then himself.

www.independent.co.uk

These kind of articles quote the fact people are trained on how to use them and have mandatory military training (repeated).
Sure, it helps reduce accidental deaths, but a country where 1:4 or more has assault rifle caliber weapons and knows how to use them and yet has only like 46 gun related deaths (2016) points at something else culturally that th U.S. cannot or does not want to address.

 

[Ozzie666]

Australia following suit, shooting at Bondi beach with an active shooter still out there. Always copying USA. Extremely rare in Australia, but it still can happen.

 

[winjer]

Ask yourself about the pro rata gun crime in Switzerland and the absolute arsenal the average Swiss person has at home. Calling it restricted is a bit of a joke considering the kind of weaponry they have. Good luck at invading Switzerland with missile launchers in the mountains, a trained and heavily armed population, tons of nuclear calibre shelters, and a mountainous and woods covered region locals know well…

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

Switzerland hasn't had a mass shooting since 2001, when a man stormed the local parliament in Zug, killing 14 people and then himself.

www.independent.co.uk

These kind of articles quote the fact people are trained on how to use them and have mandatory military training (repeated).
Sure, it helps reduce accidental deaths, but a country where 1:4 or more has assault rifle caliber weapons and knows how to use them and yet has only like 46 gun related deaths (2016) points at something else culturally that th U.S. cannot or does not want to address.

A few major differences. The Swiss are a very civilized people.
And they actually have a well regulated militia.
The US has neither of these things.

 

[Panajev2001a]

A few major differences. The Swiss are a very civilized people.
And they actually have a well regulated militia.
The US has neither of these things.

I think the second point is very minor, it remains the cultural one as the major one and the fabric of society.

 

[TDiddyLive]

It's not the criminals who are doing these types of shootings

If you're talking school shootings, I'd most likely agree with you. But if you're talking mass shootings in general, you're definitely wrong there.

Public Mass Shootings: Database Amasses Details of a Half Century of U.S. Mass Shootings with Firearms, Generating Psychosocial Histories

Persons who committed public mass shootings in the U.S. over the last half century were commonly troubled by personal trauma before their shooting incidents, nearly always in a state of crisis at the time, and, in most cases, engaged in leaking their plans before opening fire. Most were insiders...

nij.ojp.gov

"In public discourse, mass shootings are often blamed on mental illness. But the research indicates the role of mental illness in mass shootings is complicated, not clear-cut. Mental health issues were common among those who engaged in mass shootings, with psychosis playing a minor role in nearly one third of the cases, but a primary role 10% of the time."

"Most individuals who perpetrated mass shootings had a prior criminal record (64.5%) and a history of violence (62.8%), including domestic violence (27.9%)."

 

[LimanimaPT]

Rhode Island requires background checks on all firearm sales, including private owner sales, a 7 day waiting period is also required. A license, called a Blue Card, is required to purchase a handgun and all ammunition. Somneone must complete and pass a safety exam managed by the RI Department of Environmental Management to be issued a Blue Card.

Gun laws in Rhode Island - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And will I have any trouble doing that if I wanted to kill someone? How about using dad's guns for the shootings?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The culture has remained the same, yes. But the technology of firearms has changed drastically.

Yes but at the same time during the American Revolution, private soon to be former British citizens owned warships and cannons. There was no official standing army of the colonies at the time, all the war materiel was privately owned. Much of it was from private collections, or purchased from European powers who wanted to see the British defeated like France. So in a strange and unironic sense, the weapons they had back then make the small arms citizens have today, even though they are certainly more advanced than the muskets of that period, look like toys by comparison

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Bring back mental asylums. No amount of control will stop crazies from committing these kinds of atrocities. If not guns, then trucks or something else. Where there is a will, there are means.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

This doesn't really have much to do with the typical "mass shooter." They aren't people who would ever have been committed and they aren't revolving door criminals.

None of the mass shooters are mentally healthy people. In USA you get mentally unstable people roaming free and released multiple multiple times. Colleges and universities and schools are notoriously hard on psyche - especially in the modern age of media.

Mass shooting problem is a mental crisis problem. Not a gun problem.

It is like guard blocks around squares and cancelation of Christmas markets in Germany. Everybody knows what the problem is. And it is not the vehicles.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

And will I have any trouble doing that if I wanted to kill someone? How about using dad's guns for the shootings?

The issue has always been that while gun control laws prevent law abiding citizens from owning guns, criminals weren't planning on following the law anyways so why would they care about obtaining their guns illegally?

Australia is just discovering this reality today too. Australia has very strict gun laws after a previous mass shooting event decades ago prompted their government to seize almost all firearms generally owned by civilians and destroy them. Their strict gun control laws worked well for disarming the general populace of people who obey laws but somehow did nothing to prevent criminals (terrorists) from obtaining the weapons they needed to commit criminal (terrorist) attacks today near Sydney

 

[calico]

The arms protected by the Second Amendment are meant to be of use in a war. The amendment begins by explaining its own purpose.

Of course, their goal was not to create a society where nothing bad could ever possibly happen, but to safeguard against the eradication of liberty. They relied upon the moral character of the society to keep the 'bad events' to a tolerably low level.

If that moral character has now gone to the point that liberty is too costly to preserve, the Constitution includes a mechanism for altering itself.

 

[E-Cat]

the European pastime of shitting on the US

Yet the US wants to dismantle the EU cause we're woke

 

[calico]

Edit: sorry, didn't notice the other thread

 

[Trilobit]

Of course not. Other countries also have guns with civilians.
But they are restricted and controlled.

Sweden has incredibly strict gun laws, but criminals still go packing. One journalist tried to buy one as part of an article and was able to buy it within an hour, if I remember correctly.

Gun control is about keeping guns from the masses and thus reduce the risk of angry normal people lashing out with more violence than they normally would have. I can see both sides in these gun control arguments.

 

[chromhound]

Another shooting but in Australia. Jesus...

 

[HJuggernaut]

a lot of shootings going on these days..

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So there is a problem, so let's do nothing to solve the problem, because there is already a problem.

You know the answer, you just don't like it.

Honestly I dont know the answer

 

[kpopSuperstar]

A common trait is that they grew up using guns. And then they slowly go hateful against people while watching videos of killings on the internet.

Europe is filled with weapons, yet no one is letting kids grow up using weapons the way they do in America. There are young people hunting and practicing professional shooting, but taking kids to ranges to shoot automatic weapons, having any sort of weapon lying unlocked at home or any sort of "fun casual shooting" would be considered horrible parenting.

If these kids didn't grow up using weapons and weren't exposed to killing videos, it would drastically reduce this evil. They literally sit and study the countless other school shooting videos that are, for some reason, all over the fucking internet. Why these aren't removed makes no sense.