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[hydragonwarrior]

100+ dead in a terrorist attack - government would fucking go nuts and turn it into a weapon to strip away rights under the pretext of security.

100+ dead in a case of dodgy, cost cutting shoddy tenant holdings - "lessons will be learnt", "whoops" and hope it goes away

I swear to god I want heads roll for this and jail time be due, but the system is broken. It won't happen.

Put this in twitter right away please - bears repeating outside this forum

 

[TheCochese]

Guardian Live blog: tempers are starting to fray



Let's hope this doesn't spill over. It's hot in London right now and due to get hotter over the weekend.

Imagine if the fire had happened a month ago, before the election.

 

[Charles Brandon]

Sky are reporting that someone has been arrested for trying to attack (London Mayor) Sadiq Khan and that he is/was in a church hiding from a mob

h

https://twitter.com/Missycilious/status/875382233137328128

 

[Anung]

Let's hope this doesn't spill over. It's hot in London right now and due to get hotter over the weekend.

I don't know. As much as I dislike violence I honestly wouldn't blame them at this point.

 

[Charles Brandon]

I wouldn't blame the victims and their families but I would blame all the other cunts that would jump on this. I could do without a repeat of 2011 thanks very much.

 

[Fugu]

Guardian Live blog: tempers are starting to fray



Let's hope this doesn't spill over. It's hot in London right now and due to get hotter over the weekend.

Let's hope this does spill over.

 

[Charles Brandon]

No, let's hope it doesn't spill over. Last time it spilled over, it was shit, scary, five guys went to the morgue and 1,000 went to jail.

 

[Uzzy]

I was just listening to PM on Radio 4, and they had a completely devastating piece. They started with May talking about how lessons must be learned, then listed a bunch of other high rise fires in the past, which all recommended that sprinklers should be installed in high rise buildings. They then cut to the leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council, who equivocated over installing sprinklers, and had a minister talking about how the fire industry should be trying to sell sprinkler systems to 'customers' rather than the Government taking the lead on it.

 

[Zaph]

No, let's hope it doesn't spill over. Last time it spilled over, it was shit, scary, some people died and lots of other people when to prison.

Nobody wants more lives lost from civil unrest, but lets not pretend our British attitude of "keep calm and carry on" hasn't just killed more people. The Tories only get away with their policies, which have killed and harmed untold numbers, because at worst they face letter-writing campaigns and the occasional banter on the street.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Sky are reporting that someone has been arrested for trying to attack (London Mayor) Sadiq Khan and that he is/was in a church hiding from a mob

h

https://twitter.com/Missycilious/status/875382233137328128

He's doing a live press conference near the building right now, but getting heckled to fuck by the public. He's incredibly out of his depth, terrible idea.

 

[King_Moc]

I was just listening to PM on Radio 4, and they had a completely devastating piece. They started with May talking about how lessons must be learned, then listed a bunch of other high rise fires in the past, which all recommended that sprinklers should be installed in high rise buildings. They then cut to the leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council, who equivocated over installing sprinklers, and had a minister talking about how the fire industry should be trying to sell sprinkler systems to 'customers' rather than the Government taking the lead on it.

And this is why I wouldn't feel ill of people if they properly kick off about this. People riot for far less and, let's be honest, what else would make the Tories listen to the working classes?

 

[Charles Brandon]

Nobody wants more lives lost from civil unrest, but lets not pretend our British attitude of "keep calm and carry on" hasn't just killed more people. The Tories only get away with their policies, which have killed and harmed untold numbers, because at worst they face letter-writing campaigns and the occasional banter on the street.

Protests are fine. By all means get on the streets and march. But looting, burning down business and cars, robbery and murder are not cool and are exactly what will happen again. And what happened in 2011 achieved fuck all.

 

[CelticKnight]

He's doing a live press conference near the building right now, but getting heckled to fuck by the public. He's incredibly out of his depth, terrible idea.

I guess Khan thought that if he gave a press conference and stayed away from the public he'd draw the same criticism that May had for basically hiding.

Sounds like it's getting very volatile down there, though.

 

[PJV3]

He's doing a live press conference near the building right now, but getting heckled to fuck by the public. He's incredibly out of his depth, terrible idea.

He seems to be doing okay given the circumstances, getting grief about Corbyn is just stupid when people are dead.

 

[Anung]

I guess Khan thought that if he gave a press conference and stayed away from the public he'd draw the same criticism that May had for basically hiding.

Sounds like it's getting very volatile down there, though.

As much as I hate May she made the right choice. It makes her look weak by not facing them but there is no way the face of Austerity showing up and being useless and empty won't start some actual violence and riots.

 

[GoldenCrow]

And this is why I wouldn't feel ill of people if they properly kick off about this. People riot for far less and, let's be honest, what else would make the Tories listen to the working classes?

Tories listen to the working class? LMFAO

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Khan did fine.

People were going to be angry, and they should be. He's not there to make them less angry or calm it. We need people to stay angry so shit actually gets done.

As long as it's constructive and not destructive anger.

 

[Charles Brandon]

Khan did fine.

People were going to be angry, and they should be. He's not there to make them less angry or calm it. We need people to stay angry so shit actually gets done.

As long as it's constructive and not destructive anger.

Agreed. Khan took some shit but he was there when it counted and that will be remembered.

 

[Jezbollah]

This utter bellend interviewing this police officer on Sky News is doing my nut in.

He's basically asked five straight questions asking why they don't have a figure of the dead. The officer answered it sufficiently after the first question.

Fucking clowns.

 

[Anung]

This utter bellend interviewing this police officer on Sky News is doing my nut in.

He's basically asked five straight questions asking why they don't have a figure of the dead. The officer answered it sufficiently after the first question.

Fucking clowns.

The News and it's fascination with horror and suffering in excruciating detail sickens me. Fucking pricks.

 

[Breakage]

I love how she took off 20 minutes later because she knew meeting with the survivors could turn into a PR catastrophe real fast

Yeah, the thing is her evasive behaviour makes her look as if she is guilty of something. She just continues to come across as a disingenuous coward. Bottling the leaders debate and now this; it seems she only handle situations where everything is pre-arranged and strictly controlled.

 

[BradleyUK]

I am sure there have been visit by developers at Glenfell Towers. Grubbing there hands in opportunity of this disaster.

 

[Rktk]

I am sure there have been visit by developers at Glenfell Towers. Grubbing there hands in opportunity of this disaster.

My thoughts did go to what the plans are for the land once the tower is taken down. They better not fucking turn it into luxury apartments, the government need to get in front of this and promise that it will be council housing.

 

[Auctopus]

I know the victims are upset and anxious but I can't believe so many people/media outlets don't understand why the people in the flat are difficult to identify and confirm.

 

[Charles Brandon]

My thoughts did go to what the plans are for the land once the tower is taken down. They better not fucking turn it into luxury apartments, the government need to get in front of this and promise that it will be council housing.

Do they even build council housing these days?

 

[SpaceWolf]

Does this incident remind anyone of the Monty Python "Architect sketch"?

It's kind of freaky.

 

[BlastProcessing]

He's doing a live press conference near the building right now, but getting heckled to fuck by the public. He's incredibly out of his depth, terrible idea.

An important part of being an actual leader is being willing to go out and publicly eat shit when the situation calls for it.

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

Do they even build council housing these days?

Well they built about 20 in our village some 6 or so years ago. Unfortunately, they're currently all being torn up and rebuilt in areas since, surprise surprise, there was no fire protections between adjacent buildings. My parents are in one of the ones that they redone and they've completely fucked the walls now despite claiming it would be impossible to notice, leaving my parents to have to solve it themselves now.

They also all had to have the heating systems replaced because they purchased a technology none of the local contractors were qualified to work with. Our local council is historically shit though so this comes as no surprise. They just decided to block off the main route into the town for the whole summer to add a roundabout and traffic lights to a junction that already has 2 roundabouts and traffic lights with the crashes being caused by confusion of the stupid setup as it was already.

I'm at the point where locally at least, it's almost better when they do nothing.

 

[TeddyBoy]

As of yesterday morning at 9:30am a total of 180 people were missing (source: friend knows a firefighter). That's not to say they were all in the fire, but they were unaccounted for.

I really hope the death toll is no where near 180.

 

[kmag]

The News and it's fascination with horror and suffering in excruciating detail sickens me. Fucking pricks.

I'm not a violent man, and I'd never hit a woman, but the one exception would be that grief vampire Kay Burley from Sky. I'd do the time

 

[Beefy]

The estate near mine has the same cladding on it's towers as Grenfell tower. They interviewed the council today and they said it looks like it is safe....


Looks like....

 

[Anung]

The estate near mine has the same cladding on it's towers as Grenfell tower. They interviewed the council today and they said it looks like it is safe....


Looks like....

"No protection against fire is better than bad protection against fire"

 

[doby]

I really hope the death toll is no where near 180.

The publicised number of missing by the media does not correlate with that figure.

 

[liquidtmd]

The publicised number of missing by the media does not correlate with that figure.

I would be incredibly surprised if the final death toll isn't 100+

The building was an inferno, it held 400+ and the fire started at after 12.30am. How could it not?

 

[Beefy]

"No protection against fire is better than bad protection against fire"

That will probably be the next shit they say tbh

 

[doby]

I would be incredibly surprised if the final death toll isn't 100+

The building was an inferno, it held 400+ and the fire started at after 12.30am. How could it not?

I agree, it doesn't look good. But there's only like, what, 20 people that are missing, as in have had loved ones searching for them. At least that's what it looks like from the media, I don't patrol socials so don't know of any more.

 

[iceatcs]

I would be incredibly surprised if the final death toll isn't 100+

The building was an inferno, it held 400+ and the fire started at after 12.30am. How could it not?

True, but there are people actually got out by from many interviews. I don't know how much of them thought.

 

[Showaddy]

I would be incredibly surprised if the final death toll isn't 100+

The building was an inferno, it held 400+ and the fire started at after 12.30am. How could it not?

There's no where near that number reported missing though. Unless there were a 100+ single residents with no friends or family living in the block I doubt it's that high.

 

[darkinstinct]

I would be incredibly surprised if the final death toll isn't 100+

The building was an inferno, it held 400+ and the fire started at after 12.30am. How could it not?

There are people that escaped from the 21st floor and even went back in to save their daughter. Looks to me like only the people that stayed in their apartments died, hopefully not too many. Of the missing persons there is a good chance that several just went to friends.

 

[2MF]

There's no where near that number reported missing though. Unless there were a 100+ single residents with no friends or family living in the block I doubt it's that high.

Whole families may have disappeared together though... If that happened, who knows if someone else reported them missing?

Unfortunately they have not been able to search the top (how many?) floors yet, which is the place from where it was hardest to escape

 

[RulkezX]

Protests are fine. By all means get on the streets and march. But looting, burning down business and cars, robbery and murder are not cool and are exactly what will happen again. And what happened in 2011 achieved fuck all.

In fact Khan has actually started pulling back on promises that were made post 2011 riots.

See Daniel Levy's comments on the rolling back of commitments for the Tottenham area rejuvination

 

[Z3K]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...er-burning-homes-police-fire?CMP=share_btn_tw

Great piece by MP David Lammy, I especially agree with his opening paragraph

"Don’t let them tell you it’s a tragedy. It’s not a tragedy, it’s a monstrous crime. Corporate manslaughter. They were warned by the residents that there was an obvious risk of catastrophe. They looked the other way. We don’t need another review kicked into the long grass and years of equivocation– what a civilised country should demand is arrests and a criminal trial before a judge and jury."

People must be brought to justice, what has been committed here is mass murder.

 

[Regginator]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...er-burning-homes-police-fire?CMP=share_btn_tw

Great piece by MP David Lammy, I especially agree with his opening paragraph


People must be brought to justice, what has been committed here is mass murder.

Fucking amen. Those reponsible who ignored their pleas should get life in prison. This is a hideous crime plain and simple.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...er-burning-homes-police-fire?CMP=share_btn_tw

Great piece by MP David Lammy, I especially agree with his opening paragraph


People must be brought to justice, what has been committed here is mass murder.

Come on man, lets not politicise this.

We need to be respectful to the families.

The last thing they'd want right now is some answers, justice or closure on the matter.

We've got our best health and safety secretary Micheal Gove using all of his 10 minutes of experience to get a full investigation underway and we're positive we'll get some good results at some time in the future.

Just let them suffer in peace (preferably silence) for now.

 

[Plum]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...er-burning-homes-police-fire?CMP=share_btn_tw

Great piece by MP David Lammy, I especially agree with his opening paragraph


People must be brought to justice, what has been committed here is mass murder.

If the people who caused this get away with it (i.e. anything but life in jail) all it'll do is embolden other companies and councils to stick to their guns. It's sickening how likely them getting away with it realistically is.

 

[Z3K]

Come on man, lets not politicise this.

We need to be respectful to the families.

The last thing they'd want right now is some answers, justice or closure on the matter.

Just let them suffer in peace for now.

Sorry was didn't realise the /s in your post

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

What are you talking about? This is not politics, this is crime that has been committed, and the people responsible for this gross and deliberate act of negligence must be brought to justice.

whoosh

 

[RenditMan]

I was just listening to PM on Radio 4, and they had a completely devastating piece. They started with May talking about how lessons must be learned, then listed a bunch of other high rise fires in the past, which all recommended that sprinklers should be installed in high rise buildings. They then cut to the leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council, who equivocated over installing sprinklers, and had a minister talking about how the fire industry should be trying to sell sprinkler systems to 'customers' rather than the Government taking the lead on it.

It's a difficult issue where there's no easy answer:

http://www.safelincs.co.uk/protecting-fire-safety-equipment-against-vandalism-and-damage/

 

[EviLore]

I was just listening to PM on Radio 4, and they had a completely devastating piece. They started with May talking about how lessons must be learned, then listed a bunch of other high rise fires in the past, which all recommended that sprinklers should be installed in high rise buildings. They then cut to the leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council, who equivocated over installing sprinklers, and had a minister talking about how the fire industry should be trying to sell sprinkler systems to 'customers' rather than the Government taking the lead on it.

Can one of these dipshits stop passing the buck and buy some goddamn fire safety equipment? Or properly enforce the legal obligation to do so?

 

[Jezbollah]

Just heard from one of my friends saying the unofficial death toll is around 150

No words.

EDIT: For disclosure, I edited from over 150+ to reflect better what I heard.