Charles Brandon
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Tbf, whilst sprinklers help, it's not clear if they would have made much difference in this case, or so I heard another expert say. Not to excuse the people covering their arse.
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Massive Fire in High Rise Apartment in London
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They've also said they might not be able to identify everyone. just horrific.
I mean, what source is he going off?
Most of them will get away with it though -
I think any enquiry should have permission to audit, and publish, every single transaction involved, along with any potential conflicts of interest between contractors, council and the 'arms-length' housing association.
Contractors should have to reveal exactly how much profit they made from public money, but commercial confidentiality will take precedence over lives lost.
Jezbollah
Member
Let me look into this and I'll get back.
EDIT: Jon Snow (Channel 4) hearing from those on the scene that this is the figure being talked about.
Charles Brandon
Member
Lilly Allen said it on Channel 4 news as told to her by Police. John Snow (in reply) seemed to suggest he'd heard similar whilst also saying we should wait for confirmation.
Good lord, that's terrible.
Yep. I doubt anything will actually happen. They will hold a quick and simple "investigation," get a few already-rich managers to move jobs then call it a day.
In other words, that fucking Daily Mail tweet is the most horrid thing I've ever seen in "journalism." If they went out of business tomorrow I'd hold a party to celebrate.
Ah, okay....thank you for clarifying for us.
Strange that information would be passed on to Lilly Allen of all people before anyone else.
Regardless, horrifying news.
Charles Brandon
Member
I'm sure it wasn't passed to her to pass on. The procedure is not to give out numbers until they are confirmed, for obvious reasons. The truth is that no one know but the guesses are getting both more informed and larger.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
In a situation where a fire goes from a spark to a 27 storey fireball in 15 minutes, anything that could have given even just one more family just a little more time to escape would have been worth it imo.
chromatic9
Member
Reading one guy was rescued but went back up to the 14th floor to phone family and died.
A twitter thread from one of the writers (?) of Gumball, Dead Ringers.
https://twitter.com/jackbern23/status/875434272890421249
https://twitter.com/jackbern23/status/875434272890421249
s_mirage
Member
I don't see how they wouldn't. At the very least in should have slowed the fire's ingress from the outside cladding, and might have slowed the spread from the point of ignition to the cladding in the first place. Even if the end result of the destruction of the building was the same, anything that slowed the internal spread of fire could have saved lives.
I'm even more appalled at the lack of building wide fire alarms. How the hell can a high-rise building refurbished in the 21st century not have a proper fire alarm system?
Thought this was nice to hear -- sorry if already posted:
David Ornstein‏ @bbcsport_david
BBC understands Man City & England footballer Raheem Sterling is set to make a substantial donation to those affected by #GrenfellTower fire
David Ornstein‏ @bbcsport_david
BBC understands Man City & England footballer Raheem Sterling is set to make a substantial donation to those affected by #GrenfellTower fire
jm89
Member
These stories are heartbreaking. One guy lost his entire family mother, father, sister and two brothers.
Apparently the sister made her last call to one of her relative to say their entire house was engulfed in fire and they where in the bathroom were it hadn't reached yet. I think they were on the 17th floor.
Charles Brandon
Member
Always the first comment is some dickhead calling out the person because he's rich. Such twats.
Yeah -- total scumbag move. Looks like they put up an article about it:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40297310
It's going to be more than that. Horrendous.
CrazyHorse
Junior Member
What is wrong with Daily Mail readers? They are blaming Sadiq Khan.
What tweet?
you know why
Charles Brandon
Member
They tweeted out the name and pics of an Ethiopian man who's fridge started the fire (possibly). Pics of him with a pint of beer in the son. Implication was - Look at this guy, he's responsible, drinking pints while people burn. Story is he packed a bag before leaving his flat and alerting neighbours, obviously unconfirmed.
Assume that's the tweet in question.
edit: not the name
Forgot DM is banned. Rightly so.
CrazyHorse
Junior Member
They have an article too: http://www.*****************/news/a...ty-fridge-started-Grenfell-Tower-inferno.html
How do they manage to get pictures so fast?
Where's the best place to donate money too? I've found the Evening Standard Just Giving:
https://www.justgiving.com/campaign...utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=20170615_
and another woman's Just Giving page: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/familiesofgrenfelltower
Both are around £1,000,000 raised at the time of writing. Not to sound like a cunt or anything, just heard many stories of bigger charities (such as Red Cross) not being as legit as they say.
https://www.justgiving.com/campaign...utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=20170615_
and another woman's Just Giving page: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/familiesofgrenfelltower
Both are around £1,000,000 raised at the time of writing. Not to sound like a cunt or anything, just heard many stories of bigger charities (such as Red Cross) not being as legit as they say.
Charles Brandon
Member
I donated to the second one (I think, seems to have changed details since this morning)
Hm, haven't heard that story. I've heard of the story though with the Syrian refugee who was fleeing with his brother but they got separated in the stairwell due to the smoke. He then went back up to their 14th floor apartment where he phoned his relatives "the fire is coming now. Goodbye".
He was apparently the first victim confirmed of the fire.
He survived Assad only to be killed in a tower block in London': First victim of Grenfell fire is Syrian refugee Mohammed al-Haj Ali
😔
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Everything about this is absolutely infuriating to me. This kind of shit pisses me off.
Oh, really. Since we're going there, let's go there.
Kensington & Chelsea is a Tory council. The Tories let someone else manage a public good and botch it. A Tory mayor cut fire service funding and was on camera belittling a Labour assembly member when getting asked about it. The Tories have been in "government", cutting services, for seven years. And the receipts for THOSE are littered throughout this thread.
Labour holds only seven council seats to the Tories' 40. The Greens have one MP in the entire country. But yeah. The Greens did it.
chromatic9
Member
Yes you're right. I may have misread or the story was updated where I read it.
Smoke from the cladding will probably be the biggest cause of death.
Nick Paget-Brown, the Conservative leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council has said sprinklers were not installed because "there was not a collective view among residents in favour of sprinklers."
As per The Guardian.
I... uh... he better have something fairly considerable to back this up.
As per The Guardian.
I... uh... he better have something fairly considerable to back this up.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
The same council that is considered corrupt by the residents?
Victim blaming. Never thought it would get to this.
Jezbollah
Member
Indeed. Even thinking about deflecting responsibility for this onto those residents will not work out well for anyone in the decision making process.
There will be minutes from meetings and discussions. We'll just have to wait.
Y'know what, 'collective view' or not, this isn't something you put to a popular vote. It's basic safety common sense. The position should have been "Fuck your opinions, you're having sprinklers". What a terrible excuse.
I said holy fucking shit
"We totally wanted to put sprinklers in to save them, but they just wouldn't let us"
Monty Mole
Member
I just can't stop thinking about this and everyone involved. It's shocking when you hear just how extremely quickly the stairwell was thick with smoke so most people just stayed in their flats as a result with no feasible way out. There was no chance. The final death toll will be unimaginable. And what a horrible, frightening way to go. And in the middle of the night.
And so avoidable, so unnecessary. I'm so upset and so angry about it all because it shouldn't have been like this. Not at all.
It's also great that people are donating everything from money to rooms, but in this country we really shouldn't need to. It's not a humanitarian crisis in a third world country. It's here in one of the largest economies of the world and the government should absolutely be funding every penny necessary to ensure those affected have absolutely everything they need.
And so avoidable, so unnecessary. I'm so upset and so angry about it all because it shouldn't have been like this. Not at all.
It's also great that people are donating everything from money to rooms, but in this country we really shouldn't need to. It's not a humanitarian crisis in a third world country. It's here in one of the largest economies of the world and the government should absolutely be funding every penny necessary to ensure those affected have absolutely everything they need.
. It's fucking heart wrenching.Even when he elaborates on his position, it definitely speaks hugely to the narrative that the building was severely neglected in many other ways.
Heads are surely to roll over this. Paget-Brown's most likely, if only as a symbolic gesture of a council that fucked up on an unholy scale.
Heads are surely to roll over this. Paget-Brown's most likely, if only as a symbolic gesture of a council that fucked up on an unholy scale.
Monty Mole
Member
Fucking hell, of course sprinkler systems weren't going to be the top of residents agendas. As human beings it is sadly in our nature to always put convenience and niceties before our own safety. But that's why regulations are in place. You don't ask residents whether they would like a sprinkler system, you just fit the fucking sprinkler system.
Can you imagine if at your work offices they asked for a vote on whether you should have smoke alarms or not?
Can you imagine if at your work offices they asked for a vote on whether you should have smoke alarms or not?
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